Alternative to marijuana

ayr0n

ayr0n

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J-dub is illegal now (if you're in the states...not sure where u live) so your best bet (again if ur in the us) is to try n apply for a medical Mj card...nothing really subsitutes for THC in my opinion.
 
SmokeyMcSmokester

SmokeyMcSmokester

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018

there is the wiki page to it..

i smoke this shit king krypto, im sure it has the jwh chem sprayed on it..smoke it like you would any kind bud, but just take on rip, maybe two if you dont have plans...the shit FUCKS ME UP..makes me crash out too. its the only decent alternative to weed i have found..i get random testing because of probation, so i dont wanna risk a lil weed toke here and there..
 
ANC

ANC

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Kratom's primary pharmacology is mediated by the alkaloids 7-hydroxymitragynine and mitragynine, which share molecular similarities to the alkaloids yohimbine and ibogaine but which act on the brain primarily on opiate receptors. The subjective effects of kratom use are similar to the effects of opiate receptor agonists such as codeine or hydrocodone, and will prevent withdrawal symptoms in an opiate addicted person. Kratom's psychoactive effects typically fade after a few hours. Kratom is traditionally only used in Thailand, although some use in Malaysia has been reported. Besides kratom (or krathom), it also goes by the names ithang, kakuam, and in southern regions, thom. In addition to being used as a narcotic drug in its own right, it is often used as a substitute for opium when opium is unavailable, or to moderate opium addiction. In folk medicine, it is often used to treat diarrhea. A small minority of users use kratom to prolong sexual intercourse.
"While the main alkaloids in kratom are structurally related to psychedelics, there appears to be no psychedelic activity. The dominant effects seem to be similar to opiate drugs, and include analgesia and cough suppression. These effects are roughly comparable in strength to codeine. Mitragynine suppresses opiate withdrawal, but its effects are not reversed by the opiate antagonist nalorphine. These opiate-like effects appear to be mediated mostly by delta and mu opioid receptors. In lower dosages, mitragynine exhibits a yohimbine-like binding to alpha-adrenergic receptors, as well as some binding to the delta opioid receptors. As doses increase, binding to delta receptors increases, and in yet higher doses, crossover to mu receptors occurs. Interestingly, mu crossover is increased by the presence of opiate drugs. While delta receptor selective opiate drugs have little abuse potential, it seems that they could be used as a primer which would allow mitragynine to more effectively bind to the mu receptor, which mediates the euphoric high produced by narcotics such as morphine.
Other effects of mitragynine are a reduction in smooth muscle tone, local anesthesia, and central nervous system depression. Acute side effects include dry mouth, increased urination, loss of appetite, and constipation coupled with small, blackish stools. Unlike opiates, mitragynine does not appear to cause nausea or vomiting. Heavy use can result in a prolonged sleep.
Side effects from long term use include anorexia and weight loss, insomnia, and a darkening of the skin, particularly on the cheeks, giving an appearance similar to a hepatic face. Among addicts, 30% report limited sexual desire and the need to use a combination of kratom and alcohol to become sexually stimulated. As discussed earlier, addiction seems to be a possibility if high doses are used.
While one study of Thai users reported that it is sedative in low doses changing over to stimulation in higher doses, this seems to be incorrect. Most other sources say that it is a stimulant in lower doses, becoming sedative in higher doses, which is consistent with mitragynine's receptor binding profile. Effects come on within five to ten minutes after use, and last for several hours. The feeling has been described as happy, strong, and active, with a strong desire to do work. The mind is described as calm. The Swiss biologist Claude Rifat experimented with a low dose of three smoked leaves and reported the effects reminded him somewhat of SSRIs, in that it blocked motivation, induced indifference, made doing everything boring, and brought on a strong laziness. It seems likely that these two almost opposite results may be influenced by cultural expectations."

Kratom was used for physical labor in Thailand prior to its illegal classification. Consuming Kratom lowers body temperature by approximately a degree, increases melanin production in the skin—providing more sun protection, and it is energizing both mentally and physically. It is also used to treat diarrhea, normalize blood sugar in diabetes, normalize blood pressure and battle intestinal parasites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom
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AlaskanGrown84

AlaskanGrown84

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Erowid man: http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_basics.shtml?nosurvey=1

I know that Kryptonite shit... Ooh that stuff is for real! One time I got soo high... I was thinking about asking my man if he needed something to drink, but I couldn't believe that the words in my head were real words haha I couldn't say nothin for a while, just zone out. OMG and one time we smoked before watching Pirates of the Carribean- Dead Mans Chest and I was wondering WTF am I watching?? It was krazzy trippy... It was at the part where they are about to go over the waterfall and I was like ahh hell no I cannot watch this- it's too crazy. So I got up, turned the dvd player off, unhooked it from the t.v. and turned the t.v. off. I was pretty freaked out hahaha. Still smoke that shit though since I don't have any bud hook ups where I am living now.
 
SmokeyMcSmokester

SmokeyMcSmokester

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its not illegal in nevada...there is this place called weedz alternatives on the north strip that sells all kinds of JWH type shit...they even give you a bong rip in the store.
 
SmokeyMcSmokester

SmokeyMcSmokester

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yeah its a crazy lil store...every bastard on parole or probation knows about it tho.. also every smokes shop has some sort of that smoke anyway...

whats even crazier is when you go to weeds, you get the king krypto max with the maximizer and he they give you a lil baggie of the jwh powder you sprinkle on your krypto..it fucks you up more than weed.
 
CobraHearted69

CobraHearted69

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Ohh, alright, thanks Darth. But anyway, I'm trying to find something that would just smoke great in a joint and give me a high/strong buzz. If anyone's ever heard of it I read something about Krypto Bud? from iamshaman?
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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im pretty sure all that stuff is jwh blends bro just about all of the stuff thats legal smoke and actually gets you high is jwh even if it doesn't say so. check that stuff ANC mentioned earlier if you want something other than kratom.
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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Kratom is safe and been used for years upon years now and the high is enjoyable by many! So ANC you recommend the leaf for new partakers?
 
ANC

ANC

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use the kratom for the effect, smoke mullien to make your mind think it was from the smoke.
 
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