NO! On Prop 19

[Dan Kone]

I hope it passes, because whatever it causes, it will be an improvement for everyone.

For sure. Change is scary. But it's not like humboldt is all of a sudden going to stop growing. Time for people to adapt to the new way. Ending prohibition may have some costs, but it does way more good than bad.

 

[nathenking]

Oh come on now. Don't act like you guys are the only people who work in the business.

we are not... we dont work in the business we LIVE in it.... 2 different things, but you obviously dont know.... not to insult you, but you just dont man... thats the way it is and I dont hold that against you man... you are a heady dude that I respect the most out of all the yes-19 folks... so please dont take that the wrong way

 

[nathenking]

For sure. Change is scary. But it's not like humboldt is all of a sudden going to stop growing. Time for people to adapt to the new way. Ending prohibition may have some costs, but it does way more good than bad.

we shall see.... you never know, it could get privatized to an absolute measure and all of us might be out... no one knows the future.... that is one thing for sure....

 

[Dan Kone]

well i already grow as much as i want. i have never fallowed any plant limit guidelines regardless but the legalization will kill the value so regardless if its a legal CO OP or not the value is the same right now, i consider myself a CO OP anyways, maybe not legal but still a CO OP.


if you want to smoke go get a card. LOL i just wish it will stay how it is. thats all. LOL

Yeah, I get that. But isn't it eliminating the risk from the process worth something to you? It's not that hard or expensive to form a legal business. In exchange for that you get peace of mind. Isn't that a fair deal?

 

[Humboldt14]

Oh come on now. Don't act like you guys are the only people who work in the business.

maybe not but before the industry exploded us up here in Humboldt were some of the only people really doing it big in the US.

infact Humboldt provided a majority of the Ganga in US for many many years, all this stuff going on now is all new. 98 percent of the people on this site did not even think about growing until recent years (past 10 to 12 years)

 

[Humboldt14]

Yeah, I get that. But isn't it eliminating the risk from the process worth something to you? It's not that hard or expensive to form a legal business. In exchange for that you get peace of mind. Isn't that a fair deal?

leave it alone............................

 

[nathenking]

Yeah, I get that. But isn't it eliminating the risk from the process worth something to you? It's not that hard or expensive to form a legal business. In exchange for that you get peace of mind. Isn't that a fair deal?

piece of mind, until the FED comes in and arrests you for 500 plant count... that is some federal time brother.... who wants to be the first to get busted?????

 

[nathenking]

leave it alone............................

he doesnt get it, "risk from the process" doesnt even make sense to me... there is risk, but thats the way its always been... you aint gonna find anybody up here too concerned with the "risk" man... that has what has seperated us from you.... how we look at things... alot of things.... ah welll, you cant win them all....

 

[Dan Kone]

we are not... we dont work in the business we LIVE in it.... 2 different things, but you obviously dont know.... not to insult you, but you just dont man... thats the way it is and I dont hold that against you man... you are a heady dude that I respect the most out of all the yes-19 folks... so please dont take that the wrong way

I assure you, I live it every bit as much as you do. I'm in my garden first thing in the morning and I end my nights trimming. We just have different perspectives.

No disrespect meant by me either. If I seem blunt or confrontational that's just how I am, no ill feelings intended.

 

[Humboldt14]

he doesnt get it, "risk from the process" doesnt even make sense to me... there is risk, but thats the way its always been... you aint gonna find anybody up here too concerned with the "risk" man... that has what has seperated us from you.... how we look at things... alot of things.... ah welll, you cant win them all....

LOL your right.

Risk does not cross the mind of the biggest growers up here.

I dont even know that word "Risk" LOL there is no risk here but getting some plants taken which is part of the deal up here and i am content with it and so is every one else. LOL

o yea clear your inbox messages it says i can not send you PM's cause your inbox is full

 

[Humboldt14]

I assure you, I live it every bit as much as you do. I'm in my garden first thing in the morning and I end my nights trimming. We just have different perspectives.

No disrespect meant by me either. If I seem blunt or confrontational that's just how I am, no ill feelings intended.

look we all have oppinions and thats little part of what this sites about, i dont get affended by peoples point of veiw because thats all it is bro.

 

[nathenking]

cleared brudda...

 

[Dan Kone]

piece of mind, until the FED comes in and arrests you for 500 plant count... that is some federal time brother....

Prop 19 makes local law enforcement cooperation with the feds illegal when it comes to cannabis. Feds don't have the resources to go around and bust everyone and the federal government doesn't have the political capital to endure a drug war against legal businesses created by American citizens. They'll make a big show of it, then move on. There is a real drug war in Mexico, opium poppies controlled by terrorists, and a finite number of DEA agents. They can't afford a war on pot in California right now.

When prop 215 came out people got busted all the time. Now, many clubs have been open for years and are in no danger. I'm not saying it'll be an easy process but in the end, we'll all be better off for it.

who wants to be the first to get busted?????

Richard Lee does apparently. The feds have already inspected his operations. He'll be the first. He may be kind of sketchy, but he's not stupid. He's got a plan for that guaranteed.

 

[nathenking]

med growers are still getting busted, clubs are as well.... and this is completly different.... this is recreational, which changes the whole game... the federal gov't can not show anymore weakness, things are already really shaky in this country... its politics, which will take presedence over RLEE plan anyday of the week.... its against the law federally... which will always trump state law... i didnt make the rules, that is the way it is... remember montana and the speed limit... well take that times 1.0 x 10 ^9 man.... plus, the rest of the country is not to fond of this prop, so that will also play a roll in how hard they push, if the majority of the states and or population supported taxed MJ, it would not be that big off a deal, but that is not the case at the moment.... I do agree with you on the fact that either way, its gonna be super hairy for at least 3-5 years for anybody trying to run a business... the fedgovt will commandeer all the property and cash from these illegal business just like they do to any organized crime.... when they put there foot down, it goes down... they are the biggest GANG in america bro... dont forget that...

 

[mccumcumber]

I'll vote no if you give me a trimming job .
All jokes aside, You can still make a killing once the prop passes. If anything it will cause pussies to buy way more bud than before. Humboldt bud is world renown. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking stupid. All you have to say is that it's from Humboldt/Mendocino county and your shit is automatically gold. Plus, if you sell your shit legally in SoCal, the kush alone will sell for thousands a pound. Definitely more than you could sell it for in the bay (I'm assuming that's as far south as you're willing to drive with lots of product now). Think about it, Uncle Humboldt14's kind kush! Everyone will snatch that shit up, and as long as you keep it low key and have a cuddy grow you could be in for a lot of money.

 

[Dan Kone]

med growers are still getting busted, clubs are as well....

Sure, but it's not like it was right after prop 215 passed. Prop 215 stirred up a lot of shit, but eventually it made things better for everyone. Prop 19 will stir the shit, but eventually we will be better off. You'll see.

the federal gov't can not show anymore weakness, things are already really shaky in this country...

They will make a big show of it for sure. But they can't afford a drawn out campaign where they are arresting business owners who are creating jobs and paying big tax money during a recession. They piss off both liberals and conservatives that way. It won't fly. Also you've got boarder states begging for federal assistance with the drug cartels. If Obama ignores them to go on a campaign against US citizens who are not committing violent or hurtful crimes, that'll piss off everyone.

Combined that with the fact that the DEA will have to run hundreds if not thousands of investigations without cooperation of local law enforcement, and I don't see how it's possible for them to do anything more than put on a show. They'll drag Richard Lee out in cuffs on the 5:00 news, have a big trial, and that'll be the end of it.

I do agree with you on the fact that either way, its gonna be super hairy for at least 3-5 years for anybody trying to run a business...

I've got a plan for that

 

[Dan Kone]

LOL your right.

Risk does not cross the mind of the biggest growers up here.

I dont even know that word "Risk" LOL there is no risk here but getting some plants taken which is part of the deal up here and i am content with it and so is every one else. LOL

Doesn't matter if you think about it or not. It's not about that. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. Ending prohibition does in the long run.

 

[DelSlow]

well lets see because the county i live in, we are what you call a green county in california.

people in Humboldt County have been growing grass in these mountains for generations,

my father is a grower my grandfather was a grower, every 1 of my friends are 3 and 4th generation growers if and and when it go's legal its going to kill the outdoor market value, and there is NO OTHER ECONOMY in Southern Humboldt... our economy has been based on pot since the 60's...


everybody i know is voting NO.......

if you dont live were i live you will not understand how it going to effect allot of people in the mountains that have no other source of income or like allot people i know they have no other skill but the knowledge of growing. I know people that have never left these mountains. we are modern day moonshiners .

this is just my opinion.


here are some pics of a couple of my green houses to show you a peek of the level of growing thats growing on.

we are not just growing a couple hundred plants people are growing thousands up here.

I OBVIOUSLY DONT FOLLOW ANY PLANT LIMIT LAWS... LOL

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First of all NiCe greenhouse man. So much greeeen! Now about prop 19, i get that you like how things are now. But even if the prop passes, what will be the negatives? There will probably be more smokers=more demand=more $$$ for you. Plus, the warehouse grows will use HIDs right? You can market your shit as "organically grown" in "real sunlight". We all know how organic shit demands a higher price right? Anyway, just adding conversation. Again, nice greenhouse.

 

[Serapis]

The Federal Government doesn't have the leg to stand on prohibition at this point. All it will take is some smart young lawyer to point out to the right Federal judge, that the US Govt, while listing Marijuana as a schedule one with no medical value, has in it's possession, a patent, issued to it's Dept Health and human Services for medical cannabis for the treatment AND prevention of many diseases. The patent was issued in 1999. The patent states that marijuana, extracts, oils are beneficial in treating diseases such as HIV Dementia, Alzheimers, cancer, Lou Gherrigs' and many other devasting diseases. The Government scientists cited studies and trials.

If the U.S. department that is responsible for overseeing health and medical issues obtains a patent on medical marijuana, why is another department fightinig a war against it? If marijuana does indeed have proven, patentable benefits for Americans, why is it listed on Schedule One?

The tide is indeed turning.

Vote YES on 19!

 

[Humboldt14]

First of all NiCe greenhouse man. So much greeeen! Now about prop 19, i get that you like how things are now. But even if the prop passes, what will be the negatives? There will probably be more smokers=more demand=more $$$ for you. Plus, the warehouse grows will use HIDs right? You can market your shit as "organically grown" in "real sunlight". We all know how organic shit demands a higher price right? Anyway, just adding conversation. Again, nice greenhouse.

thanks man....

we are all ready trying to promote the Humboldt Organically grown in the sun, but people per fer indoor and the clubs already dont pay us anything barley anything already for our outdoor compared to what they are giving for indoor. indoor will holds it value if Prop 19 passes, its the outdoor prices thats going to negativity effect my county s economy due to drop in value of outdoor.

thats why allot of us growers up here a having to grow 500 to 1000 pounds to make enough money to live and pay everybody that works on your proper-tie and then pay for the next year, if it passes its going to force us outdoor growers to have to grow well 0ver a 1000 pounds every year in order to make it. So we will still be illegally growing.