NO! On Prop 19

I thought norml already attempted to change cannabis laws on the Federal level but the prop or bill failed. That is why Prop. 19 is to change the State's law. Former San Jose Chief of Police Joseph McNamara said Friday that "Californians are not going to let politicians in Washington, DC tell them how to vote." I'm voting YES.
 
tardis said:
Vote Yes or you are supporting mexican smugglers and expensive lower quality weed.

VOTE YES. It means legal, cheaper, higher quality pot for everyone.
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its been proven that this prop will not effect cartels.... who cant buy a elbow of mexi for 400, the lower quality weed is already cheap...2cents
 
mr2shim said:
I would like to know how prop 19 passing will personally affect you.
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actually, its not about me... its about how this is a corporate bill, that is probably the top reason... if you cant see that, then dont worry about it.... corporations are systematically ruining our country:wall:.... that is the truth....
 
On another note... Check out the movie "grass" for those who need a little more insight on how far our government has taken this War on Americans/Drugs. Voting no will only fuel the fire they have had going for us for too damn long! One guy had to go to jail for 50 Years after serving in Vietnam.


Hopefully, after the slightest considerations you will then vote YES.
 
joeh3000 said:
In my area, there is a lot of support for Prop. 19. Thank You Los Angeles! Yes on 19!
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actually, in SF area its 50/50, and pretty much anywhere south of there is less than that for support... so there maybe alot of "support" but it wont show up in the polls...
 
and farther north of SF, I assume its more like 60/40 against, and maybe even higher... with the latest polls, you guys better pray for a huge turnout of young people to counter balance all of us "MJ anti-poop-19 folks"
 
mr2shim said:
I would like to know how prop 19 passing will personally affect you.
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Since I'm on the exact opposite end of that spectrum it's only fair that I answer that too.

If prop 19 passes I plan to open a small for profit price capped dispensary opened to everyone 21+. I also intend to apply for a grow permit on a 40 light legal grow (max allowed in county). I plan to make a living off of it and giving my friends and other local people in the industry jobs. I don't think there is anything greedy or immoral about that. In fact I think it's great that people may be allowed to do this legally. Legal businesses provide a benefit to the entire community. The idea that I'll be taking away a job from illegal/medical NorCal growers is complete nonsense. I have every much of a right to making a living as anyone else.
 
nathenking said:
corporations are systematically ruining our country:wall:.... that is the truth....
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That's a gross generalization. Pretty much every legal business is some type of corporation. Is your local bakery "systematically ruining our country?". Is a farmer growing strawberries ruining our country? Corporation just means legal business. These businesses provide jobs to the majority of Americans and services to the community. Without corporations, the whole country would fall apart.

Are there bad corporations? Sure. But that doesn't mean every corporation is bad. The overwhelming majority of corporations are small businesses. Small business owners aren't bad people in general.

Me opening a legal corporation to grow/dispense cannabis doesn't make me a bad person or mean I'm doing anything to ruin the country.

Now if you want to say the concept of publicly traded corporations are evil, I could see where you are coming from. But to say all corporations in general are evil is just ignorant. A corporation is a thing. It's a business tool. That's it. It's incapable of evil. That's like saying forks are evil because you can stab someone with one.

It's people that are capable of ruining the country. Those same people are capable of doing the same bad things if prohibition is around or not, so prohibition might as well not be around.
 
The only reason it won't is because weed is already so common in cali that many of you are just going to sit tight for a better bill..... meanwhile, other states still have draconian laws. Maybe some of them would be convinced if Cali led the way? I think many voting no that burn and grow are doing so out of selfish reasoning.
 
nathenking said:
and farther north of SF, I assume its more like 60/40 against, and maybe even higher... with the latest polls, you guys better pray for a huge turnout of young people to counter balance all of us "MJ anti-poop-19 folks"
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Yeah, I'd say it's at least 60/40 against. Everyone I know up there is against it. They are convinced that the economy will just stop if prohibition ends. Fortunately there aren't enough people up there to make a significant difference. San Francisco turns out 6 times as many voters. We all know it'll pass in a landslide there.

Orange county, San Diego, Modesto, and Fresno are the places where the opposition is significant.
 
Dan Kone said:
Yeah, I'd say it's at least 60/40 against. Everyone I know up there is against it. They are convinced that the economy will just stop if prohibition ends. Fortunately there aren't enough people up there to make a significant difference. San Francisco turns out 6 times as many voters. We all know it'll pass in a landslide there.

Orange county, San Diego, Modesto, and Fresno are the places where the opposition is significant.
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I agree with your assesment...
 
Dan Kone said:
Yeah, I'd say it's at least 60/40 against. Everyone I know up there is against it. They are convinced that the economy will just stop if prohibition ends. Fortunately there aren't enough people up there to make a significant difference. San Francisco turns out 6 times as many voters. We all know it'll pass in a landslide there.

Orange county, San Diego, Modesto, and Fresno are the places where the opposition is significant.
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I am in Kern county and I already voted yes. Of course that doesn't mean much, but I think there are a lot of people like me who are not involved with MJ in any way that are voting yes on this. The drug war has been an absolute disaster for this country, it has done nothing good and almost everything bad, and a lot of us want it ended!

A lot you here seem to think that "conservatives" are against 19. That might be true to some extent, but the way I see it P19 is a conservative issue. Conservatives say they believe in limited government; P19 certainly limits government interference in the lives of citizens. By the way, I am a libertarian, so I don't pretend to speak for conservatives of the bible thumping stripe, the conservatives I know, and I know lots, are not bible thumpers.
 
Dan Kone said:
That's a gross generalization. Pretty much every legal business is some type of corporation. Is your local bakery "systematically ruining our country?". Is a farmer growing strawberries ruining our country? Corporation just means legal business. These businesses provide jobs to the majority of Americans and services to the community. Without corporations, the whole country would fall apart.

Are there bad corporations? Sure. But that doesn't mean every corporation is bad. The overwhelming majority of corporations are small businesses. Small business owners aren't bad people in general.

Me opening a legal corporation to grow/dispense cannabis doesn't make me a bad person or mean I'm doing anything to ruin the country.

Now if you want to say the concept of publicly traded corporations are evil, I could see where you are coming from. But to say all corporations in general are evil is just ignorant. A corporation is a thing. It's a business tool. That's it. It's incapable of evil. That's like saying forks are evil because you can stab someone with one.

It's people that are capable of ruining the country. Those same people are capable of doing the same bad things if prohibition is around or not, so prohibition might as well not be around.
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Yeah, im taking about the large, publicly traded ones, that out source jobs, give huge benefits to the people at the top and neglect the bottom people... I thought you kinda understood what I was talking about... you kinda have an idea about me now... i also agree that its people that are ruining the country obviously man... i dont think you needed to patronize me with a definition of corporation man... if your in cali, what is stopping you from doing a larger style grow now, or the last 10 years... i know you will say the Law or getting arrested, but there is alot of people that have enough balls to do that, because they believe in it... so you want all the reward with no risk, but all the people that have been risking it would suffer... Its not fair to you or them.... it puts everybody in a shitty situation....
 
Dan Kone said:
Since I'm on the exact opposite end of that spectrum it's only fair that I answer that too.

If prop 19 passes I plan to open a small for profit price capped dispensary opened to everyone 21+. I also intend to apply for a grow permit on a 40 light legal grow (max allowed in county). I plan to make a living off of it and giving my friends and other local people in the industry jobs. I don't think there is anything greedy or immoral about that. In fact I think it's great that people may be allowed to do this legally. Legal businesses provide a benefit to the entire community. The idea that I'll be taking away a job from illegal/medical NorCal growers is complete nonsense. I have every much of a right to making a living as anyone else.
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If prop 19 passes I seriously hope you do that. It's the right way to go imo, and I wish you the best.
 
Dan Kone said:
Since I'm on the exact opposite end of that spectrum it's only fair that I answer that too.

If prop 19 passes I plan to open a small for profit price capped dispensary opened to everyone 21+. I also intend to apply for a grow permit on a 40 light legal grow (max allowed in county). I plan to make a living off of it and giving my friends and other local people in the industry jobs. I don't think there is anything greedy or immoral about that. In fact I think it's great that people may be allowed to do this legally. Legal businesses provide a benefit to the entire community. The idea that I'll be taking away a job from illegal/medical NorCal growers is complete nonsense. I have every much of a right to making a living as anyone else.
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Sounds like a good plan. I don't understand what p19 has to do with your plan, though. Forty lights would require you to operate under the medical law, no?
 
nathenking said:
Yeah, im taking about the large, publicly traded ones, that out source jobs, give huge benefits to the people at the top and neglect the bottom people... I thought you kinda understood what I was talking about... you kinda have an idea about me now... i also agree that its people that are ruining the country obviously man... i dont think you needed to patronize me with a definition of corporation man...
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Only reason I did so is because you are over generalizing which lumps people like me in with Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina. I knew what you meant, but that isn't what you were saying.

if your in cali, what is stopping you from doing a larger style grow now, or the last 10 years... i know you will say the Law or getting arrested, but there is alot of people that have enough balls to do that, because they believe in it...
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They believe in that, I believe in ending prohibition. Just because they are willing to risk larger chunks of their freedom than I am doesn't mean they are any more entitled to grow than I am.

I do ok now with running my collective. I'd like to do more, but if I don't I want it to be recognized as a legitimate part of my community. It should be legal anyways. There should be a way to do commercial grow/sell legally.

so you want all the reward with no risk
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Right now the cannabis industry is primarily taking a risk in exchange for profit. I just want to work in exchange for profit, no different than someone who grows strawberries or runs a 7/11.

So yeah, I do want the reward with lowered risk. I'm not sure how that is a bad thing. If that means less profit and more work than growing illegally I'm ok with that.

, but all the people that have been risking it would suffer... Its not fair to you or them.... it puts everybody in a shitty situation....
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I'm no millionaire. I'm not from a powerful family. They have all the same access and the same abilities that I do. Absolutely nothing is stopping them from starting a legal business and involving themselves with local government just like me. I have no unfair advantage. I'm just a guy with a dream and the drive to make it happen. Nothing is stopping them from being the same way. Their apathy is not my fault. Anyone who gets pushed out of the industry because of legalization has no one to blame but themselves.
 
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