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The Incredible Tiny Bomb Great things sometimes come in small packages, and this phenotype of Space Jill (Space Queen) is I feel the best Cannabis I have ever smoked. I need give a huge disclaimer: This thing is absolutely the worst yielding plant I have ever grown; it's a double-edged sword. I grow two of these in one pot trying to conserve space and add to my head stash, but I have yet to get more than a jar full off one plant. One trick I employ is to place two plants in one pot, forming more heads to help yield more per square foot. Jill prefers the larger and more normal version we used to breed with, but I love this one. It is simply double coated in raised trichomes. It actually has so much resin that even extremely dry and cured, the weed seams to smolder in a bowl and not want to burn correctly. It is almost like your smoking resin or hash. I love the way this thing just sparkles in the flash. Now if you want to know how to find one of these, it's not easy. They are hidden away in the Space Jill seeds. But this phenotype is extremely recessive, and then your going to have to keep the runt of the litter. "You were my pills, you were my thrills. You were my hope baby, you were my smoke." Well this plant absolutely dropped the bomb on me because if I had any sanity, I'd toss her and replace with something larger. But to date this is the one that sets me off. This girl has a taste similar to Genius and Apollo, but it's more concentrated and the tart taste is more sour than any diesel I have ever smoked, including sour D and catpiss. It also has an underlying sweet tang that is very pleasant as it rolls across the tongue and the exhale is even very sweet and tart. I have been asked before if this phenotype can be found in Space Jill and I am happy to report it definitely can. Tiny has become legend. Several people have a phenotype that resembles mine, and they describe the same traits. The lavender coloring in some of these shots is from organics and cooler night temps. If I have her placed away from the A/C unit, she doesn't turn this shade. I can also see just a hint of Romulan from time to time. As if you couldn't tell I like it, it seems to carry a slight hashy spicy taste that is well over shadowed by the sour and sweet. Now here is the other side of the coin: The other version that Jill prefers to call simply C. It has a over whelming Cherry flavor, and a much larger yield. A few friends who recently sampled her for the first time were completely blown away, and one considers it his all time favorite smoke. The only problem with this plant is I always run out of it long before anything else. The largest plant I have grown was well over five feet with at least six heads, and the total dry weight was 40 grams. That same harvest I pulled six zipps off a JC. I sent this to the guy that sent me Apollo-13, and he also couldn't get it to make big fun. But he agreed it's simply so potent so tasty and so unique, he added it to his stash as his #1 personal smoke. People are always asking if I would breed with this plant. Well to be honest I am positive it's located in the Space Queen f2's. Even though we used the largest and slightly different phenotype to breed with, when you grow out the f2's your going to get a slight variation. The smaller phenotypes that are more resinous, harder buds and a more triangular shape that's closer to the Romulan side of things, as the larger and rounded buds are to me more a Cindy trait. I have a weird theory I will share with you, but it has very little scientific basis and is based more on my observations. It seems when you grow out a lot of seeds, the strain has an infinite amount of potency to be distributed. The larger, leafier females that yield more and grow fastier and easier are NEVER as potent as the smaller strains that seem to put more effort into resin production and less into yield. Therefore these strains are potent as hell, and this is the foundation of how I select my mother plants. There are certainly always exceptions like Jacks Cleaner that is extremely potent and yields well. And there are certainly many others, but take Og kush. I don't grow it, but isn't it a PIA to grow and low yielding? Think of all the super potent extremely resinated strains that don't yield great: G-13, Apollo, Genius, OG Kush and others are all known to be incredibly potent. It's a theory anyway. Now growing safely now in a legal med garden, I have been able to grow out some of my genetic stash over and over again. And tweaking each plants soil mix, I am able to maximize the yield of plants that in the past were known as low yielding. This is the case with the phenotype. By lowering her initial nutrient level (cooler soil) and not feeding her anything until day 30, where she received a nice blast of High P poo stew with assorted organic goodies like Sweet Leaf. She responded well to the easy treatment, and I have doubled the yield on her. Every time I harvested her, I would make small adjustments. And I continued to increase her yields to almost three jars just before we built our new rooms. It's a Gas Now we added CO2 (use a consistent abbreviation Co2 or CO2. Choose one and stick with it). are running in the new room. Temps run around 74 degrees and below to control bugs. I read a thread that said co2 wasn't helpful in low temps, but I am going to have to disagree. I have never seen a Tiny Bomb this size. Now keep in mind she had an extended veg under flo's, while we moved over to new place and built the new rooms. But I am certain the co2 added to the girth of the buds. This proves that even with a smaller phenotype you can still learn to maximize her yields, if you just watch the plant and listen to what it tells you by how it reacts to its environment and treatment.
 

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first time i DIDN'T have to click on a pic to see how beautiful it was. if i click on any of those that's all i will think of for the next 3 weeks. i have 2 space queen just starting. also have a couple jack's surprise. now i gotta go stare at my babies. thank you for sharing. :)
 
mattso101

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Subcool your breeding skills are superb, I have read alot ony your genetics and really want givem a try soon. thaks for sharing
 
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subcool said:
The Incredible Tiny Bomb Great things sometimes come in small packages, and this phenotype of Space Jill (Space Queen) is I feel the best Cannabis I have ever smoked. I need give a huge disclaimer: This thing is absolutely the worst yielding plant I have ever grown; it's a double-edged sword. I grow two of these in one pot trying to conserve space and add to my head stash, but I have yet to get more than a jar full off one plant. One trick I employ is to place two plants in one pot, forming more heads to help yield more per square foot. Jill prefers the larger and more normal version we used to breed with, but I love this one. It is simply double coated in raised trichomes. It actually has so much resin that even extremely dry and cured, the weed seams to smolder in a bowl and not want to burn correctly. It is almost like your smoking resin or hash. I love the way this thing just sparkles in the flash. Now if you want to know how to find one of these, it's not easy. They are hidden away in the Space Jill seeds. But this phenotype is extremely recessive, and then your going to have to keep the runt of the litter. "You were my pills, you were my thrills. You were my hope baby, you were my smoke." Well this plant absolutely dropped the bomb on me because if I had any sanity, I'd toss her and replace with something larger. But to date this is the one that sets me off. This girl has a taste similar to Genius and Apollo, but it's more concentrated and the tart taste is more sour than any diesel I have ever smoked, including sour D and catpiss. It also has an underlying sweet tang that is very pleasant as it rolls across the tongue and the exhale is even very sweet and tart. I have been asked before if this phenotype can be found in Space Jill and I am happy to report it definitely can. Tiny has become legend. Several people have a phenotype that resembles mine, and they describe the same traits. The lavender coloring in some of these shots is from organics and cooler night temps. If I have her placed away from the A/C unit, she doesn't turn this shade. I can also see just a hint of Romulan from time to time. As if you couldn't tell I like it, it seems to carry a slight hashy spicy taste that is well over shadowed by the sour and sweet. Now here is the other side of the coin: The other version that Jill prefers to call simply C. It has a over whelming Cherry flavor, and a much larger yield. A few friends who recently sampled her for the first time were completely blown away, and one considers it his all time favorite smoke. The only problem with this plant is I always run out of it long before anything else. The largest plant I have grown was well over five feet with at least six heads, and the total dry weight was 40 grams. That same harvest I pulled six zipps off a JC. I sent this to the guy that sent me Apollo-13, and he also couldn't get it to make big fun. But he agreed it's simply so potent so tasty and so unique, he added it to his stash as his #1 personal smoke. People are always asking if I would breed with this plant. Well to be honest I am positive it's located in the Space Queen f2's. Even though we used the largest and slightly different phenotype to breed with, when you grow out the f2's your going to get a slight variation. The smaller phenotypes that are more resinous, harder buds and a more triangular shape that's closer to the Romulan side of things, as the larger and rounded buds are to me more a Cindy trait. I have a weird theory I will share with you, but it has very little scientific basis and is based more on my observations. It seems when you grow out a lot of seeds, the strain has an infinite amount of potency to be distributed. The larger, leafier females that yield more and grow fastier and easier are NEVER as potent as the smaller strains that seem to put more effort into resin production and less into yield. Therefore these strains are potent as hell, and this is the foundation of how I select my mother plants. There are certainly always exceptions like Jacks Cleaner that is extremely potent and yields well. And there are certainly many others, but take Og kush. I don't grow it, but isn't it a PIA to grow and low yielding? Think of all the super potent extremely resinated strains that don't yield great: G-13, Apollo, Genius, OG Kush and others are all known to be incredibly potent. It's a theory anyway. Now growing safely now in a legal med garden, I have been able to grow out some of my genetic stash over and over again. And tweaking each plants soil mix, I am able to maximize the yield of plants that in the past were known as low yielding. This is the case with the phenotype. By lowering her initial nutrient level (cooler soil) and not feeding her anything until day 30, where she received a nice blast of High P poo stew with assorted organic goodies like Sweet Leaf. She responded well to the easy treatment, and I have doubled the yield on her. Every time I harvested her, I would make small adjustments. And I continued to increase her yields to almost three jars just before we built our new rooms. It's a Gas Now we added CO2 (use a consistent abbreviation Co2 or CO2. Choose one and stick with it). are running in the new room. Temps run around 74 degrees and below to control bugs. I read a thread that said co2 wasn't helpful in low temps, but I am going to have to disagree. I have never seen a Tiny Bomb this size. Now keep in mind she had an extended veg under flo's, while we moved over to new place and built the new rooms. But I am certain the co2 added to the girth of the buds. This proves that even with a smaller phenotype you can still learn to maximize her yields, if you just watch the plant and listen to what it tells you by how it reacts to its environment and treatment.
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This may well be the single greatest post I have ever seen here at RIU...
Welcome aboard RIU, Mr. subcool.
Truly fantastic and spectacular!
I am a huge fan of Genius and Apollo genes.
Fascinating information.
Keep it coming please!!!
:joint:
 
ccodiane

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I've got a TGA Bubba Gum that looks very similar and yields GREAT. 7 gram top bud great. Some of the smaller phenos were tastier, but all were covered in trichs. Nice pics.
 
subcool

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This may well be the single greatest post I have ever seen here at RIU...
Welcome aboard RIU, Mr. subcool.
Truly fantastic and spectacular!
I am a huge fan of Genius and Apollo genes.
Fascinating information.
Keep it coming please!!!

Lots more trichome shots were just getting started
 

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This is the story of Jack the Ripper and it is a fine example of what can happen along the way during a breeding project. I have always wanted to have Jacks Cleaner in seed form. I have been prompted to Self her using STS but I don’t believe in that type of breeding I feel a male plays a vital role in breeding projects. About 6 years ago I used a Blueberry to outcross the Jacks Cleaner to. Bushy Old Grower used some of these seeds to create the famous lifesaver. Two years ago I used the Jacks Cleaner x Blueberry to back cross the Jacks Cleaner to and created Jacks Cleaner back cross. Lost yet? I’ll try and untangle this mess as we continue on this journey.
Even though the JC bx kicks ass, has won awards and is used in breeding projects it was not what I was looking for. Also about that time I ran Vic’s Space Queen and found it to be some of the best weed I ever smoked. We also found an amazing Space Queen male that Jill used to create Jillybean and we used to create Spacejill. It was not an easy decision but we decided after working with Space Dude he was a much better choice for a parent to outcross Jacks Cleaner to and re started completely over passing on the Jacks Cleaner back cross and Jacks Cleaner Blueberry to other members of TGA.

We used our standard breeding methods and completed the project on schedule and promptly started a test run of these new seeds. One weird trait of this new hybrid is twin seedlings. Many growers have reported duel sprouts form one seed but it’s normal for one not to survive when this occurs. All the seeds were started using rapid rooters with no pre soaking. I like to be as rough as possible and I never pamper test runs, once seedlings came up and developed nice roots I transplanted them into 1 gallon containers and placed under a 400 watt Metal halide light. Once the plants matured the males were taken to a separate area and the best possible females were tagged and the rest tossed. We ended up with 3 females we felt met or selection criteria. The plants were topped and trained and vegged for about 45 days and reached a size of 24” with multiple growing heads.
Once in bud the plants quickly started swelling with buds and by day 25 copious amounts of resin had become visible. Once in bud things got interesting when we had visible resin at just 2 weeks of budding and by week 3 we had a nice build up of trichomes and the first hints of the Lemon smell I was looking for.

One of the female plants stretched so much I had to bend her severely to keep her close to equal to the rest of the crop. Even the lower buds drip with resin and I am happy to report the mango lemon smell I was looking for I nailed it dead center. Normally I top all plants in our garden but with test plants it takes up less room if I leave them un topped and as I usually am moving them about a lot taking pictures and such it just makes them more manageable.

You can see in the picture the plants developed nicely grown in only my own super soil and in a 5 gallon pot fed only water the entire run to test her natural ability to produce without being pushed you can see the results speak for themselves.

Maturing much faster than JC was another hopeful goal and at 50 days I’d say we nailed that trait as well. All three females are alike with the exception of the height of the one female. To avoid numerical confusion we gave each female a name. Lemango became the tall one that looked more Space Queen dominant. Soylent Green was apparently the largest of the three as far as cola size and the plant most resembling Jacks Cleaner with her predictable resin leaf curl was given the name Pink lemonade. This is the plant that became the star during multiple sessions in front of my lens.

The trichome production is off the chart and she has the classic raised head on a tall stalk that’s so classic of JC. I feel this represents the total sum of what I’ve learned and collected doing this my entire adult life. To be able to pass on traits I have seen attributed to the mother plant and then to actually create a Phenotype with the same qualities and maybe even some improvements is truly humbling. The plant has Pink resin ok? I mean would you be happy or what? Now I have a gene pool to work with and continue the Cubing of the original Jacks Cleaner f1 to produce a more stable line but variety is the spice of life among tokers and each of the females we found is a legendary keeper in itself. I enjoy each plants smoke equally but there are subtle differences that make it nice to choose from according to my needs.

We will be entering this strain in the 2006 Cannabis Cup and if it’s a fair event I have no doubt this girl will place very high on the score cards.


I think the best news about this strain is there available now. We have a lot of cool things from tasty to pretty to sativas to crazy combos of berry and lemon but I’m taking this to the pot snobs party. Lets have a look at the end results, Lemango was more Space Queen dominant and has a nice citrus and Fruit taste as her name implies. Soylent Green did indeed yield the most coming in at just over 2 ounces of cured dried bud. She has a nice Lemon Berry taste that is my favorite in a joint having a much smoother draw than the parent JC. Finally Pink Lemonade is the most potent and most like JC. Incredible expansion as all the resin melts away on the bud and your lungs simply explode and your head follows shortly after, it only takes 3 bong hits to make me smile like a Cheshire cat.
 

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I am only blown even further away....simply astonishing....and your txt posts too....thanks for the GR8 info-share! awesome awesome!!
 
subcool

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Tahoe I am kinda cheating as I write for a living :)
Breeding Better Cannabis Part 1
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[FONT=&quot]Creating Better Cannabis
Many people collect things as a hobby, we are no different except we collect “Elite strains of Cannabis” usually in clone-only format. In the last 25 years I have collected and grown-out hundreds of strains. I have traveled to Holland and attended the Cannabis Cup, 7 times. I’ve also lived in Amsterdam. One thing I believe is that the best Cannabis in the world is still in North America, in some unknown garden and belongs to someone without internet access. We have been lucky enough to collect some amazing examples. Some of my all time favorites are Genius and Apollo-13 by Brothers Grimm, also Killer Queen and Space Queen by Vic High. Our most potent strain is Jack’s Cleaner, a Pluton X LambsBread X Purple Haze freak, which can literally make a non-grower puke if they’re not used to her brutal raw potency. We call it the “they’re coming to take me away” stone. Now, MzJill and I continue this tradition working as a team. She has some of her own favorites as well. The Black Russian strain that gives all of our Sputnik crosses their insane purple coloring came from MzJill via Nebu. Over the past 5 years we have worked with these crosses to create new and interesting varieties. MzJill comes up with her own crosses using her favorites and even helps me pollinate when the males are ready. We grow in 100% organic soil mix I prepare myself using potting soil, bat guano, worm castings, and other natural soil builders. We feel the biosynthesis that takes place in soil adds something that cannot be measured. We use 10 gallon containers so the roots have lots of room. We would like to share with you a little of what goes into breeding a new strain.

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