mr2shim
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Yea, on netflix there's also a good documentary called "Grass" narrated by Woody Harrelson.
Me and my wife are about to watch the one you linked. I've never seen it.
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Me and my wife are about to watch the one you linked. I've never seen it.
greenhouse kush
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george washinton the founder of are once great nation smoked it and farmed acers of it, you can read his journal entrys on how the plant helped him throughout every day life. if george washington said it was good then i think its unconstitutional to make it illegal, besides its a plant and it will never go away
vtatvrider
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want to know why its illegal watch THE UNION
stonedmetalhead1
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25 sqft is 25 sq ft, it doesn't matter about the dimensions it would still contain the same area. Also, how would you keep clones if you could only have the one area. This bill sets up big business to profit off of you in some way or another. Whether it's buying from them because the taxes on personal grows are too high or your buying their clones because of space limitations otherwise you're growing from seed every time. Hell, allowing taxation of personal grows is reason enough to vote no. This is a horribly written bill and I guarantee if it wasn't the sloppy mess that it is, more people would be for it. I'm not worried though, marijuana supporters are split on the decision and I know the conservatives aren't going to vote for it.
mr2shim
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Let's assume your box was 5x5' just to make it simple. What's stopping you from having 2-3 levels totaling 7-8ft? 5-6ft for grow, 1-2ft for veg or clone. Square footage does not include height so theoretically you can have a 5x5x25' box and still be only 25sq ft.
desert dude
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Do you pay tax on your personal grow now? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you can't have a personal grow because it is illegal.
mr2shim
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that made me lol. I bet he will argue that it doesn't matter because the punishment is small and he won't do jail time, so that's "good enough" for him. California is "basically legal" so they don't need anything legal. Almost legal is good enough. Minimal risk of jail time plus illegal profits, win win?
stonedmetalhead1
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You're reaching a little.
Thats really only feasible with hydro and some people like their dirt not to mention how many people have a 25 ft room in there house? This is all nonsense and if the bill would give more rights to citizens it would probably get passed.
Thats right just give all of your rights away before you get them. You shouldn't be able to be taxed for grows for personal consumption. The only thing that should be regulated is sales. Do you pay taxes on the food that comes out of your garden? I can't wait to see this bill get voted down just to stop hearing these stupid reasons to vote yes. Marijuana is already decriminalized and is more legal medically than this bill will ever make it. Even if this billed was somehow passed the federal government is going to pull all funding to a state that's already in an economic slump.
stonedmetalhead1
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Whatever, you can think what you want and bitch about people making profits, which I don't, this bill sets up a select few to have a monopoly on marijuana. Why aren't you didgging them for writing such a shitty bill that gives them control and ultimately being the downfall of this bill.
I'd love to see it legalized and they can control distribution however they want but when they start regulating personal liberties is where I draw the line. I'd gladly vote to legalize if they didn't want to regulate the average citizen more than the corporations. Corporations aren't the ones who have kept this plant alive and thriving. The people responsible are the average pot enthusiasts, the people who this bill limits, and there is no way I would ever vote to give control of marijuana to corporations.
desert dude
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You can't give away rights before you get them because before you get them you don't have them, but that is obvious of course. P19 allows taxes on sales, but not on personal grows. P19 has NO EFFECT on MMJ; any rights you have now with MMJ you keep because P19 specifically exempts MMJ. Have you read the text of P19? Go read it. Go read the legal analysis posted at High Times magazine's web site http://hightimes.com/blog/evan/6681, it's only a few hundred words long so it won't be too painful.
Who gives a flying fuck what the feds do if P19 passes? The feds threatened all sorts of drastic actions when P215 passed also. Why keep bending over for the feds unless you just like taking it up the ass? The only way we will ever begin to end the drug war is to take the first step. P19 is that first step.
stonedmetalhead1
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The first step in the wrong direction and it does allow taxation on personal grows. Like I said, if this bill gave more rights to the people I would be for it but it doesn't. People would still be going to jail and that's bullshit. This bill would be the bases for all other reform and that is not a good thing. Again it doesn't really matter because it's not going to pass.
desert dude
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Better to grow in a 5x5 plot, than to live in a 6x8 cell.
stonedmetalhead1
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I'd gladly be illegal rather than give control to corporations. It's a price I'm not willing to pay. I've been to jail and in protest of my rights so why would I just hand em' over willingly.
Just remember, you can thank Dick Lee for writing a bill no reasonable marijuana enthusiast could get behind.
desert dude
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You keep talking about "corporations". Could you expand on that a little? How does P19 give control to corporations? What makes you think corporations are so evil? When you say corporations, do you really mean just the big guys like WalMart and RJ Reynolds, and such?
What makes you think corporations will enter the MJ market if P19 passes; MJ will still be illegal federally even if P19 passes. Why would a corporation blatantly run afoul of federal law?
stonedmetalhead1
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Because the people who wrote the bill run corporations and permits for cultivation will be limited and expensive. Do you think they'll just hand out permits to everyone that can afford them? The people behind this bill already said they want to see a "McDonalds of weed". In case you don't understand how business works let me fill you in. Just like Wal-Mart the people who would run commercial production facilities would be able to supply enough quantity to undercut and eventually put all of the small time competition out of business. Quallity will go down and all of the money will be funneled into the hands of a few and create more low paying jobs. The restrictions put on the average person through this bill ensure that liscensed production companies will make a profit. This bill goes out of it's way to regulate individuals but doesn't regulate commercial production at all. Why? Because Dick Lee knows he could never get the legislation he wants for commercial production passed on a state level but he knows he can lobby his city/county to put laws in place to his benefit, hence Oakland saying there will only be 4 production facilities and 2 distribution centers. This bill will only protect the select few and still keep a majority of growers considered criminals.
The big question: Why do I think corporations are evil?
You do understand that the reason our country is in the state it is is because of corporations. Right now the seperation between the upper class and lower class is bigger than ever with an almost non-existant middle class. We need legislation that benefits the people which this bill doesn't. Look at what corporations have done to agriculture, small time farmers are almost non-existent. These are types of jobs that the average person could benefit from and I will not vote to hand over control.
The big question: Why do I think corporations are evil?
You do understand that the reason our country is in the state it is is because of corporations. Right now the seperation between the upper class and lower class is bigger than ever with an almost non-existant middle class. We need legislation that benefits the people which this bill doesn't. Look at what corporations have done to agriculture, small time farmers are almost non-existent. These are types of jobs that the average person could benefit from and I will not vote to hand over control.
desert dude
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If we ever get full legalization, then you will face fierce competition. Under P19, you will face the kind of competition you face today, small collectives of growers. No large corporation will dare to enter the business as long as MJ is illegal federally. It sounds like you don't want legalization.
stonedmetalhead1
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They already plan to just look at Oakland. 2 distribution facilities, 4 grow permits, and they plan to have 60,000 sq ft production facilities. Thats not competition that's a monopoly.
Wrong brother, I want all out legalization. It's a plant, there shouldn't be laws about growing it.
desert dude
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Do you have a permit to grow now? If you are willing to break the law and grow MJ now, why are you not willing to break the law and grow without a permit? What's the difference?
I am willing to bet that Richard Lee and the big warehouse growers will be taken down by the feds, probably soon. Busting Richard Lee before Nov 2 would be a pretty good intimidation tactic ahead of the election. On the other hand, such strong arm tactics by the feds might enrage the voters enough to vote for P19 as an act of defiance.
stonedmetalhead1
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That's just it. This bill protects some and not others, why would I vote for a bill that doesn't offer equal protection for all? I just think it's a bad starting point for the ending of marijuana prohibition. Marijauana is a huge cash crop and this bill would be a good starting point for corporate control while keeping the proletarians under scrutiny which is the last thing I want to see since we are the ones who have taken risk and fought to keep this plant alive and thriving.