NO! On Prop 19

stonedmetalhead1

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It's very rare you get legislation passed that benefits the public which 215 does. Stop bitching and go to the doctor Prop 19 isn't getting passed anyway. This bill doesn't even have the full support of marijuana enthusiasts. Between that and the fact that half of the people that would vote yes won't even bother going to vote this bill is't going anywhere.
 

Serapis

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i'm not citing it in defense, i'm trying to help you understand it so you too can grow all you want or need. ;)

I'd be happy not telling my Dr a lie and growing in a 5' x5'. I have no illnesses or ailments. Do I have to lie to get a card or can I just vote YES on 19? :)
 

fdd2blk

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I'd be happy not telling my Dr a lie and growing in a 5' x5'. I have no illnesses or ailments. Do I have to lie to get a card or can I just vote YES on 19? :)
do you grow or smoke right now? is breaking the law better than lying? do you feel any "better" when you smoke pot? the only one who has an issue with you "lying" is you. :)

what will you do IF 19 does NOT pass? will you stop smoking and growing?
 

Serapis

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Because it's a horrible bill with horrible restrictions and a horrible basis for reform.
It is however a beginning. Do you believe that if 19 fails, a better proposal will creep up next election? To the growers that profit heavily off of growing under 215, do you believe that everyone is going to want to actually start and care for a garden? Some will, but certainly not all. Remember, some of the patients are actually too ill to care for their own garden.

If 19 passes, at least it is on the books and can then be amended to suit other needs or looked over items. If 19 fails, it will look like the churches and MADD and DADD groups won, not marijuana.
 

Serapis

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do you grow or smoke right now? is breaking the law better than lying? do you feel any "better" when you smoke pot? the only one who has an issue with you "lying" is you. :)

what will you do IF 19 does NOT pass? will you stop smoking and growing?
Absolutely not. And I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one that has issues with lying to my doctor.
 

desert dude

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Absolutely not. And I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one that has issues with lying to my doctor.
You are not the only one. Not to mention having to go to the doctor, and pay the doctor to get a permission slip to get high.
 

growone

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i don't have the luxury of going to a Dr in NY(yet) for MMJ, and if that's what was available i would use it
but the thought of going to some fucking quack whose career has devolved to the point where their sole source of income is MMJ scripts?
let's just say i would prefer to lose the MMJ Dr
 

nathenking

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You are not the only one. Not to mention having to go to the doctor, and pay the doctor to get a permission slip to get high.
whats the difference from paying a doctor to get high, or paying taxes to get high... it will cost you the same amount of time roughly and probably less money in the long run just to get your card... You cant even bitch about laws if you dont have the card... If it being illegal was/is such a big issue to you... You should already have your card... And since you dont, its hard for us to understand any of your points about the illegalization of MJ... Think about all the people in the bible belt and the upper midwest, they would do anything to have the relaxed laws on MJ like cali does, they would do anything for medical MJ... These people are just blown away at how easy it is to get a card in cali, and here you are complaining about 215... It is just unfathomable to a lot of people at how you are stuck in your bubble in probably the most relaxed place in the world for MJ...
 

nathenking

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Absolutely not. And I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one that has issues with lying to my doctor.
Oh and another note, doctors lie to patients all the time... cops lie to judges all the time... parents (when it is necessary) lie to there children... Dont act like telling a lie is such a burden on your consicous... the world works and gets by on lies.... that is the truth, and this poop 19 will not affect any of that in any way...
 

Humboldt14

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Oh and another note, doctors lie to patients all the time... cops lie to judges all the time... parents (when it is necessary) lie to there children... Dont act like telling a lie is such a burden on your consicous... the world works and gets by on lies.... that is the truth, and this poop 19 will not affect any of that in any way...
its like you take words right out of my mouth.

right on brother.
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Burger Boss

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It's not splitting hairs, we are talking about the wording of written law. An ailment and an illness are two different things. It is not ambiguous, as you make it out to be.

The last time you and I got into this, you pulled a shit load of rep points from me. You claimed I was disrespectful. Now I look at your posts and see that you have no basis to back up your own opinion, other than a misinterpretation of the word illness, and your staunch defense of abuse under 215.

You know as well as anyone else that 215 is widely abused. 19 would easily take care of that. Your suggestion that anyone can go get a card is just encouraging further abuse of a compassionate use law. That abuse could cause other states to give pause in their consideration of use laws. In fact, the Florida AG has used California as an example of why he will fight compassionate use laws in Florida.

Vote yes on 19! Not every smoker is ill.....
You aren't the only one to lose points for "disrespect". I, too crossed swords with this "moderator". It must be great to have so much unchecked power, Truly, a visit to RIU these days is like going "Through the looking glass"! Complete with a "Queen of Hearts".......BB
 

desert dude

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You aren't the only one to lose points for "disrespect". I, too crossed swords with this "moderator". It must be great to have so much unchecked power, Truly, a visit to RIU these days is like going "Through the looking glass"! Complete with a "Queen of Hearts".......BB
WTF are "rep points"? What are they used for?
 

tardis

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the research department in mailibu or something came up with the cartel being hindered by this prop 19... not me... it was posted somewhere else on this site... i just read it...
I did
I read that the Cartels would take a huge lack of income for at least 2 years, after which time they'll make it up in gambling or other industries when looking at the American Mafias after Liquor was made legal again. But it still will hit them for 2 years in which time we can move in and take them out.
 

tardis

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so nov 3, the cartels are fucked and no more violence... yeah right... we have been trying to stop them for decades, but yet nothing has come close... nor will this buddy... prop 19... that shit is funny that the violence will stop because of it... get over it man.... its speculation from your side and mine... but there is that study that says that it will NOT stop any thing cartel related... california allready grows the majority of the weed it smokes, all the other stuff goes out of state.... so how will this stop/reduce anything... you tell me sir
Yes, becasue to get away with this violence the cartels use MONEY to pay off politicians and to buy weapons to intimidate law enforcement. By cutting into 70% of their income we would be limiting how many weapons they can own and who they can pay off THUS putting and end to the violence. That is a logical argument even though you might say such things dont make sense. basically i'm not saying we'll shut them down or their violence, i'm saying we'll shut down their ways to GET AWAY with such things.

Does that answer your question, or will you still find some reason to say that somehow its not about the money to drug dealers? lol
 
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