Dyna-Gro vs General Hydroponics (Dumpster Grow)

[homebrewer]

I was thinking about trying the K-L-N stuff too maybe?

Looks like an interesting product. Personally, I don't have an issue with clones rooting but I might give KLN a try after I run out of superthrive. That's probably the only time that I'd use either product.

 

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wow i just read both your journals strait through and all i can say is WOW you really know what your doing.... bravo

your my hero i would give you rep but i guess i already did on another thread and its not letting me. i do have a few questions and was hoping you would grace me with your infinite knowledge.

1. how long do you veg for and do you or do you not trim the little bud site from the bottom of the plants?

2.have you ever tried AN? I just bought a liter of there base nutes because my bro was jockin the shit outta them and i want to know your opinion about them

3.I herd you say somthing about growing in soil.. i also grow in soil and was wondering how often i should feed? if its a weekly feeding schedual should i force water feed water on them even if they dont need it? I dont want to over water

4. also you said you think growing in soil is harder. can you elaberate on that because i always hear the opposite.

5. Do you or have you ever used something like mad farmers M.O.A.B. and what do you think of it and how do you use it?

okay so it was more than a few questions, but i have a lot more but dont want to ask too much. If you answer just one of these questions i will feel lucky. thanks and again your the man

 

[homebrewer]

wow i just read both your journals strait through and all i can say is WOW you really know what your doing.... bravo

Thanks for following along. I hope it helped.

1. how long do you veg for and do you or do you not trim the little bud site from the bottom of the plants?

I veg for about 3-4 weeks. It's staggered so as soon as one crop is done, more plants are ready to replace them in the hydro trays.

As far as trimming goes, I do and I don't depending on the strain. My AK47 gets a little too branchy, so I feel that it does help to trim some of those spindly, thin branches at the bottom to increase airflow and to make trimming a little easier in the end.

2.have you ever tried AN? I just bought a liter of there base nutes because my bro was jockin the shit outta them and i want to know your opinion about them

No, I'll never try AN. Plant nutrition is about the back of the bottle, not the glossy artwork or the price tag. It's about what's in the product. Compare what is in your bottles to that of a cheaper nutrient and you'll find that you just overpaid for a product that works no better than anything else. AN will work and you'll grow plants with it, but at a high price. Stay tuned for my DynaGro soil girl who is going to cost less than 50 cents in nutrients to grow through the whole flower cycle (update Friday).

3.I herd you say somthing about growing in soil.. i also grow in soil and was wondering how often i should feed? if its a weekly feeding schedual should i force water feed water on them even if they dont need it? I dont want to over water

Feed, Feed, Flush is how I do it. I 'pick up and feel' to determine when they need watered. I grow in 5 gallon buckets with 3 gallons of promix. I usually use botanicare pureblend bloom (5mls/gallon) and liquid karma at 5mls/gallon.

4. also you said you think growing in soil is harder. can you elaberate on that because i always hear the opposite.

I seem to have more issues with mites in soil. Soil isn't as consistent to dry out as my rockwool blocks, and it's also time consuming to water all my dirt plants. Considering my timers water my hydro tables and my only real responsibility is to make sure there is water in the res, hydro growing is almost like autopilot-growing. Take now for instance, my plants are being watered and I'm typing. Doesn't get much easier than that . Now on a small scale, like under 6 plants, dirt is probably easier. But on larger scale grows, that can create a lot of dirt waste and be very time consuming to water each and every plant when they need it.

5. Do you or have you ever used something like mad farmers M.O.A.B. and what do you think of it and how do you use it?

I have no idea what that is

 

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by flush do u mean 5 times the medium or just watering with plain water

and moab is an aggressive p-k fert u use the last two weeks of flowering




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Derived From: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Mono Ammonium Phosphate, Also contains Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-1)

Ingredients Explained: Mother of All Bloom is derived from three main ingredients; Mono Potassium Phosphate, Mono Ammonium Phosphate, and Thiamine Hydrochloride. Mono Potassium Phosphate is a chemical fertilizer that is processed by mixing phosphoric acid with potassium chloride and then heated to remove all traces of hydrogen and chloride. It is used widely as a fertilizer when high levels of Phosphorous (52%) and Potassium (34%) are needed. Mono Ammonium Phosphate is a chemical fertilizer formed when phosphoric acid is mixed with ammonia. It is mainly used in the blending of dry agricultural fertilizers. It supplies Nitrogen (11%) and Phosphorous (52%). Finally, Thiamine Hydrochloride is a B vitamin which helps plants resist transplant shock as well as helping with root development.

Application: M.O.A.B. should be used in the first week of flowering to jump start flower production. Use the final two weeks of flowering to restart aggressive flower production. Combine 1-2 Teaspoon of M.O.A.B. per 5 gallons of feed water.


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[homebrewer]

by flush do u mean 5 times the medium or just watering with plain water

and moab is an aggressive p-k fert u use the last two weeks of flowering

By 'flush', I mean I'll water in the same volume as normal, except only use water or water plus sweet from botanicare.

That bloombooster looks like koolbloom dry. My issue with those types of boosters is that if you're using a complete fertilizer with a good NPK for flowering, you don't need those types of products. Your plants can only use a certain amount of food, the rest gets wasted or will just burn the plant. Feed the plant with a product like DynaGro and you can kiss those boosters goodbye .

 

[homebrewer]

Here is an update of my AK47 being grown in promix with DG nutes (close to day 30). She's getting 3mls of food per gallon and being watered as needed (every 4 days?). She's on a mix of 1 part grow and 2 parts bloom which is roughly a 1-2-1 NPK ratio. The goal of this is not to yield big, but rather to see if DG can perform in the dirt. So far, so good.

 

[DaveCoulier]

That Ak-47 is just amazing. Ive never seen a more healthy plant from top to bottom. That makes me want to stop messing around with organics, and just switch to Dyna-Grow. Perhaps a test is in order some day. Organics vs Dyna-Grow?!?!?!

I just looked back at the pics, and realized there are buds in it. All I could notice was the beautiful foliage at first. Foliage is so much more sexy than buds..or am I just really weird?

 

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what was your feeding schedule with the dg in hydro? did you use all five products?

 

[homebrewer]

That Ak-47 is just amazing. Ive never seen a more healthy plant from top to bottom. That makes me want to stop messing around with organics, and just switch to Dyna-Grow. Perhaps a test is in order some day. Organics vs Dyna-Grow?!?!?!

I just looked back at the pics, and realized there are buds in it. All I could notice was the beautiful foliage at first. Foliage is so much more sexy than buds..or am I just really weird?

Thanks Dave! I think regardless of the food source (organic vs inorganic), it's important to supply what the plant needs in the amounts that are needed. If that can be done organically then I would assume the results would be pretty similar. I gotta admit though that I really like how easy DG makes it.

what was your feeding schedule with the dg in hydro? did you use all five products?

My schedule at the start was a little strong since I didn't have a TDS meter and was just going off the recommended schedule from DG. I used their 4 products and am still tweaking a good grow/bloom mix. A few pages back I posted what I was using during this grow.

 

[jawbrodt]

Looking good, bro. Mine just hit day 38, and are doing great, as well. Gotta love that Dynagro, eh?

 

[RastaMonsta]

i fucking hate mixing nutes and ph'ing my water. + i alwayz manage to get water and coco on my floor.so not only is it a pain in the ass to water/feed i gotta clean up rite after too. i need to read more on hydro.

 

[Carbon]

Looks like an interesting product. Personally, I don't have an issue with clones rooting but I might give KLN a try after I run out of superthrive. That's probably the only time that I'd use either product.

KLN is a combination of IBA and NAA. IBA is in about all rooting compounds or gels. NAA is hormone that encourages the small hair-like roots. I believe there is also some type of vitamin compound too, but don't know what it is.
Some commercial plant growers will stick all their cuttings then drench the media w/ KLN. They really don't have the time to screw w/ dripping cutting individually. KLN can be used into veg to increase root mass. It is a similar product to Dip 'N Grow.
I like to soak cuts for 1/2 hr or so in 1t of ProTek and 1T of KLN per gallon water before sticking, then use what's left to saturate the media. That is a pretty aggressive amount of KLN, but works for me.

Carbon

 

[bob stine]

KLN is a combination of IBA and NAA. IBA is in about all rooting compounds or gels. NAA is hormone that encourages the small hair-like roots. I believe there is also some type of vitamin compound too, but don't know what it is.
Some commercial plant growers will stick all their cuttings then drench the media w/ KLN. They really don't have the time to screw w/ dripping cutting individually. KLN can be used into veg to increase root mass. It is a similar product to Dip 'N Grow.
I like to soak cuts for 1/2 hr or so in 1t of ProTek and 1T of KLN per gallon water before sticking, then use what's left to saturate the media. That is a pretty aggressive amount of KLN, but works for me.

Carbon

KLN is a really good product and yep very flexible because its liquid....it does contain nitrogen though and i know it hates light...but in a bubble cloner it can't be beat i use all dyna-gro products ...but the guy at htgsupply showed me the general hydroponics diamond nectar so i'm trying it however not sure if its even needed in hydro...i'm interested in trying floralicious as a supplement maybe every couple feedings or so thanks to this thread ...i don't like having alot of nutes either thats why i've always only used dyna-gro especially with tomatoes i use bloom formula+cal-mag and it works great.....only reason i say tomatoes is because their harder to grow well than cannabis

 

[BRD]

Homebrewer thanks for the info great thread. Just wondering what kind of a schedule you would use for veg with the DG product line. I like the thought of not have to adjust PH all of the time.

 

[homebrewer]

Homebrewer thanks for the info great thread. Just wondering what kind of a schedule you would use for veg with the DG product line. I like the thought of not have to adjust PH all of the time.

For veg, i generally run about 500-700ppm depending on the size of the plants. Based on my water and the potency of the DG 7-9-5 grow formula, that's only like 3-5mls/gallon. I'll usually throw some protekt at 3mls/gallon in there just to make it harder for those damn mites to take hold.

 

[RastaMonsta]

any updates on the DG with the additives? or the ak's n soil?

 

[homebrewer]

As I mentioned earlier, I am continuing to test DynaGro and some of the GH additives. The pics below are from my AK47 tray grown with DG and Floralicious Plus and the goal was to even out the slight difference in resin production between the two brands. Floralicious plus costs about $4 to run in my res for 9 weeks so this additive isn’t dirt-cheap but does provide some benefit for the plants. Generally, I like a good base and my additives are usually fulvic/humic acid and sea kelp type products like liquid karma or Floralicious plus. Compare the pics below to the pics on page 20 which is AK47 grown with GH nutes and additives. I still think GH has the edge when it comes to resin production but DynaGro gave me a chunkier harvest. All six AK47 plants are harvested and hanging so I’ll know some numbers in a few weeks, but just like I could tell that the Dumpster crop was bigger, this AK47 crop is bigger. Also, if you recall the smoke reports from the Dumpster harvest, the slight difference in resin production played no role in potency. I should have a smoke report on this AK47 around the same time as my ‘DynaGro in the dirt’ test is finishing up.










A quick trim:

 

[RastaMonsta]

wow,you alwayz take bad ass pictures. so the resin production now is more for bag appeal. if no real difference in quality your just trying to make it look preety rite? still here waiting on comparison between the ak's. how long u got left on them? in 2 weeks when i harvest i will be switching to a flood and drain setup and ma go pick up the DG nutes your using.

 

[homebrewer]

wow,you alwayz take bad ass pictures. so the resin production now is more for bag appeal. if no real difference in quality your just trying to make it look preety rite? still here waiting on comparison between the ak's. how long u got left on them? in 2 weeks when i harvest i will be switching to a flood and drain setup and ma go pick up the DG nutes your using.

The AK's are chopped and hanging and I'll have a smoke report in a few weeks. The slight difference in resin made no difference according to the smoke reports I got back about the dumpster so in a sense, I'm just trying to make the DG product look prettier. Contrary to what you might assume, myself and another tester found the DG product to actually be more potent despite having less visible resin. But products like sweet and floralicious don't just make things look better, they can increase yields, aromas, feed the microbes, stimulate root growth, provide important minerals for plant growth and increase nutrient uptake.

 

[epicseeds]

1.5 mls grow and 5 mls bloom per gallon. I think a feeding schedule is strain dependent

what do you think about dyna-grows feeding chart? in a recirulating system they say to use as much as 15ml of bloom. i will be using coco and if you are using much lower levels for your recirculation i can only imagine i would need to use even less in coco.

Thanks for following along! If you have the space, try a head-to-head of DG and CNS.

i have decided to do this late Jan. i will be trying DG, CNS, and either connie or jacks hydro + CalNit