Low Stress Training (LST) Guide

myxedup

Active Member
First of all, fantastic write up on this and mad + rep to you. My only questions for you are:

What yields do you usually see per plant?
Have you ever topped a plant from seed and at how many nodes of growth were you able to do so without harming the plants?

Again, thanks for the write up and especially the photos showing how you LST your ladies. I'm planning on fully implementing them in my current grow.

Happy Growing to all,

~Myxedup

damn the full how to huh... Well here ya go better get some +rep for this

Size: 3.5 ft X 3.5 ft mylar lined on three sides, open on front, white plastic board on floor

Veg lights: 400mh + 250 hps - 650 total veg watts
Flwr lights: 400hps + 250 mh + 8 - 26w 4200K cfls + 8 - 26w 2400K cfls = 1066 flowering watts
Lighting Schedual :
Clones - 24 hours (No HID lamps)
Vegetative - 20 hours
Flowering - 12 hrs (last two weeks of flowering 13 hrs)

Hood: Sun Systems air cooled hood w/ custom 16 socket cfl bracket

Cooling: Hood is cooled with a industrial heater fan mounted in a acoustic foam lined box - Absolutely Silent
Plants have a .25 hp industrial fan w/ a dimmer switch hooked up to the cord to adjust power.

Nutrients: Advanced Nutrients - Micro, Grow, Bloom ; Voodoo Juice ; Sensizyme ; Bud Blood
Humbolt County's Own - Snow Storm ; Gravity
Cloning Gel - Rootech cloning gel

Growing medium: I start clones in 3x3 rockwool cubes. Soil is 6 part mix that i make. perlite, kentucky riverbottom loam, worm castings, bat guano, a organic soil base that a local nursery sells

Odor control - custom build powered filter box (totally seperate from hood cooling system)
holds 10 - 20lbs activated carbon

I'm not sure how early other people start training there plants, but i start by topping the clones as i plant them in soil on day 1. This is not your typical topping of a plant. I trim the very top 1 or 2 nodes on the very end of the growing tip. Then about 3-5 days after i have planted a cube in soil, the plant should be through any stress from topping and planting it in soil. The next 2 or 3 nodes down from where it was topped should be showing signs of strong growth now that they are the only 3 branches on the little clone. I start by tying these tiny braches apart with cotton string and tie them to the edge of the pot. As it grows i prune nodes that a wont need before they get and larger than 1/4 of an inch, so the plant doesn't waste any energy on growing branches that i'm going to prune off. I tie the branches out and down spreading them as evenly as i can, until i have a plant with 13 - 15 heads about the same height. I trim nodes from the lower parts of the growing heads so there is no little "popcorn nugs" at the bottom of the stems of where my main colas will be. I do all of this in 30 days. If you do it right the plant will grow extremely fast and just how you want it to. As I begin to flower my plants I usually don't have to do any more tying to position the heads but i usually just have to adjust the height/ tension of the strings. I do have to always tie them up to each other when they start getting so heavy the plant can't hold up the weight itself. Thats it on LST unless anyone has more questions.

A few other tips - I fertilize every watering (except flushing the plants of course). I just find a level of nutrient solution that my plants can handle without burning or even getting to dark green. I think a constant light feeding program works much better than a heavy fertilization every other watering. DON"T OVERFERTILIZE. You can build up levels of minerals and other compounds in the soil the don't make the plant look like its having problems but rather just slow down growth. Also i keep the glass of the hood 8 inches from the tops of my plants. The cooling system is powerful enough to keep the glass around 85 degrees. I checked it with a laser thermometer. There is two types of ways a HID bulb can burn a plant. The first is just the heat energy put off, and secondly is by the intensity of the visible light coming off the bulb. Most sources say to keep your plants 18 - 24 inches from the bulb, but i find that my plants leaves wont start showing signs of damage until 3 - 4 inches from the glass of my hood with the glass being cool to the touch (85 degrees or so). So basically I'm just reiterating the well known fact that the closer you can bring your lights to the plants without burning the better.

First pic. is a clone i was talking about the day i planted it, its topped but you can barely tell. second pic is that plant at day thirty. the last pic is two different plants but i put that one on here to show how close i keep the lights
 

mcpurple

Well-Known Member
ill give it to ya.. feed, water, feed, water is safer for the beginner grower if your not sure what your plants can handle. but in my 10 years (40 harvests give or take a few) growing i have found that a constant feeding at the right level will help your plants grow faster
mabye when i start growing again i will do some they way i do and some the way you do just to see if it works out for me. ive never had a prob with slow growing plants though. ive hear din coco that it is always fed when watered but not soil.
 

HappyGrowing86

Well-Known Member
First of all, fantastic write up on this and mad + rep to you. My only questions for you are:

What size pots are you using?
What yields do you usually see per plant?
Have you ever topped a plant from seed and at how many nodes of growth were you able to do so without harming the plants?

Again, thanks for the write up and especially the photos showing how you LST your ladies. I'm planning on fully implementing them in my current grow.

Happy Growing to all,

~Myxedup
I start with gallon and a half, then move to 5 gallon buckets 2 or three weeks into flowering. My yields are amazing. its getting to about a pound and a half on two plants like you see in the pictures. and yes i have topped a plant from seed. iv done it when it has as few as four or five nodes... i wish i could show you a picture of how i prune it early like that but the node i trim off is tiny... like a 1/4 of an inch or less..
 

HappyGrowing86

Well-Known Member
iv never done coco... iv just done best trying to push my plants to the limit. but back in the day i had to go past the limit to find out exaclty where it was. and iv burnt a plant or two seeing whats possible
 

dr green dre

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damn the full how to huh... Well here ya go better get some +rep for this

Size: 3.5 ft X 3.5 ft mylar lined on three sides, open on front, white plastic board on floor

Veg lights: 400mh + 250 hps - 650 total veg watts
Flwr lights: 400hps + 250 mh + 8 - 26w 4200K cfls + 8 - 26w 2400K cfls = 1066 flowering watts
Lighting Schedual :
Clones - 24 hours (No HID lamps)
Vegetative - 20 hours
Flowering - 12 hrs (last two weeks of flowering 13 hrs)
First pic. is a clone i was talking about the day i planted it, its topped but you can barely tell. second pic is that plant at day thirty. the last pic is two different plants but i put that one on here to show how close i keep the lights
Your not the first person to say i might have OCD when it comes to my plants. First pot is a gallon and a half or something like that. final pots are 5 gallon buckets.

these pics just show three diff grows and how i changed the number of heads on the plants and what not.
Thanks for the info
you've got your system set perfect,then yields sound great!! Top job bro is there anything you'd tweak/add?
 

mcpurple

Well-Known Member
I start with gallon and a half, then move to 5 gallon buckets 2 or three weeks into flowering. My yields are amazing. its getting to about a pound and a half on two plants like you see in the pictures. and yes i have topped a plant from seed. iv done it when it has as few as four or five nodes... i wish i could show you a picture of how i prune it early like that but the node i trim off is tiny... like a 1/4 of an inch or less..
man that is some good weight off of 2 plants. onmy last grow i pulled a half P off 2 plants under 1 600 hps. im sure i could be getting at least a pound now off 1 light if i was still growing. and as far to my knowledge you shouldn't transplant in flower it causes unwanted stress on the plant, i transplant in to the final pot a few days before flower. your plants do great though so it doesnt really seem to be a prob for you
 

HappyGrowing86

Well-Known Member
man that is some good weight off of 2 plants. onmy last grow i pulled a half P off 2 plants under 1 600 hps. im sure i could be getting at least a pound now off 1 light if i was still growing. and as far to my knowledge you shouldn't transplant in flower it causes unwanted stress on the plant, i transplant in to the final pot a few days before flower. your plants do great though so it doesnt really seem to be a prob for you
my bad that was supposed to say veg not flowering, your right
 

lukey boii

Active Member
hey man awesome thread, quick and easy to follow!

just a question though, in this pic where its been tied down one side of the nodes are facing up to where they will grow but the opposing nodes are facing down so wat happens with these? do they bend upwards and continue growing as per usual?




if anyone could shed some light on the subject thatd be kool, peace out
 

Rollbluntz

Well-Known Member
hey man awesome thread, quick and easy to follow!

just a question though, in this pic where its been tied down one side of the nodes are facing up to where they will grow but the opposing nodes are facing down so wat happens with these? do they bend upwards and continue growing as per usual?




if anyone could shed some light on the subject thatd be kool, peace out
Yea man that picture was taken right after the plant was bent over. You want the top nodes to be facing down when lsting a plant like that. Those nodes will bend right back up towards the light.
 

lukey boii

Active Member
Yea man that picture was taken right after the plant was bent over. You want the top nodes to be facing down when lsting a plant like that. Those nodes will bend right back up towards the light.
ok thanx heaps for the quick reply dude,
i can see why all the LST scrOG pics are so damn bushy now there must be hundreds of those little fuckers shooting upwards haha
 

letitgrow77

Well-Known Member
Some purplekush, you can see the leaves starting to purple on the ends, this plants sister did the same thing, she will start getting very colorful now!
 
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