ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize
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nl3004.kind
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once again, where are the tips? this is just a bunch of half assery... deleting my earlier post isn't gonna make *your* thread any better fella... grow up!
nl3004.kind
Active Member
also the space queen, jillybean, vortex, and querkle are awesome taste/ yielders... in the views of many respected growers, it is very hard to do better than tga... he has very extensive hash making demos on his side of the site, though most folks are happy just smoking the herbs, making hash out of them seems to be almost like overkill, that gear is totally strong!
snew
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Why would you go to the trouble of growing organic herb, vegan even and the soak it in butane? Doesn't make since. It like the vegetarian who eats candy bars and potato chips all the time. And things its a good thing they don't eat meat, right. Butane is hard on the lungs if your growing organic keep it natural. Don't go through all that work and put it in chemicals. This has now that looks nice Matt. Keep that up.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Listen bro, I can't delete posts. I appreciate your second post and your contribution to this conversation, but please stop the insults, that is completely uncalled for and not needed, especially while telling me to grow up. Think about that. I won't report this post because you have decided to contribute, but please keep it positive. This thread is about making hash, that is all.
Snew - thanks man! More picts coming. Another batch is drying right now.
Dropastone
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Why do you wanna come on this mans thread and pick a fight. By the comments you just posted I think it's you who needs to grow up. Just because it's not anything new to you it doesn't mean it's not good info for others who want to learn something about making bubble hash. Go troll someplace else fool.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Thanks dropa! Bubble hash is not that complicated to make, that is the whole point of my video and lab results. I can get super baked and still make a few ounces of full-melt hash a day without breaking a sweat or doing anything special, and I think the world needs to know. If your hash isn't great it is because your weed isn't great.
coopdevillan
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So how does one tell if there is another run possible by looking at the trimmings after first run.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I use a 30x lighted scope. 60+ would be better. You will see that the trichomes heads have been broken off, and the stalk remains. If all the heads are gone I send it to the compost pile. If not I do another wash with more ice. This second wash is always of a lesser quality.
RPsmoke420
Active Member
Some awesome info Matt. I may be switching out my old wooden spoon in favor of a large silver one. Still not 100% on machines. I like doing work sometimes.
Do you dry and cure while the hash is separated? Do you press your hash after the cure? How long of a cure? Or do you prefer unpressed? Just curious. Also a little confused... after you remove hash from the bags... you place the glob on the drying screen... is that how you leave it over night? Or do you break it up first? I immidiately begin breaking the hash down into sand-like texture out of fear of water/mold/funk.
Any more to add on the wet vs. dry trim? You say you use dry? If you were to use wet, do you bag it and freeze while wet?
I know I have more questions... Just not thinking of em right now. Thanks for sharing the knowledge brother. It's appreciated.
Do you dry and cure while the hash is separated? Do you press your hash after the cure? How long of a cure? Or do you prefer unpressed? Just curious. Also a little confused... after you remove hash from the bags... you place the glob on the drying screen... is that how you leave it over night? Or do you break it up first? I immidiately begin breaking the hash down into sand-like texture out of fear of water/mold/funk.
Any more to add on the wet vs. dry trim? You say you use dry? If you were to use wet, do you bag it and freeze while wet?
I know I have more questions... Just not thinking of em right now. Thanks for sharing the knowledge brother. It's appreciated.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
But the machine gives me time on rollitup
Great questions.
I dry the blob as-is overnight, mold/mildew won't grow that fast on bubble that is exposed. By the next day the blob has completely changed texture, and at this point I can already judge the overall qualities of the hash. I can judge the purity by color, which is related to my separation process. I can also judge how melty the hash will be when cured, which mostly depends on strain an if you did a wet or dry trim and separation. By the next day this oily mass doesn't want to crumble, it has melted into a solid. This allows me to really grate the hash into a powder (because it won't crumble), which ensures 100% mold/mildew free bubble hash... and frankly the hashes get the best colors from this drying method.
My blackberry hash picts show both drying methods together. The brown candy is simply broken up by hand, the gold powder was grated, then combined to make this image. That was my secret, but now it is everyones
These are grated/dried/cured hashes: The top pict (romulan) is half melt, and the lower (sour d) is full melt. Same trichome sizes, same methods. The oil soluble terpenes are what makes hash melt, and sour d is a full melt strain. Romulan is not. They are equally potent.
As for pressing, that depends on where it is going... if you feel me
. I prefer to smoke unpressed/untouched hash, as it is perfectly pure and smokeable after curing. Dispensary buyers operate on false beliefs surrounding hash, and unfortunately I have to cater to these falsehoods.This is some of that same romulan bubble, but pressed and sprinkled with unpressed romulan bubble. Just for comparison.
I am learning, thanks to Bubbleman, that processing wet trim hold the most potential for full melt hash. BUT both are equally potent, and melt has nothing to do with overall potency. I've been doing both, as it works into my life. To best freeze fresh trim I lay it out on sheet trays and quick freeze it, then combine it all in a bag after being frozen. If you freeze it all together you will have to break it all up to process... so cold on the hands.
Dan Kone
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Great thread man.
A few questions.
There are good and bad ways to agitate?
Could agitating too long actually give me a lower quality product?
You mentioned that collections from the 120 bag are cooking grade. Do you have any information on cooking with hash/infusion?
or can you point me in the right direction (link or book maybe?) to find this information?
A few questions.
There are good and bad ways to agitate?
Could agitating too long actually give me a lower quality product?
You mentioned that collections from the 120 bag are cooking grade. Do you have any information on cooking with hash/infusion?
or can you point me in the right direction (link or book maybe?) to find this information?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Great thread man.
A few questions.
There are good and bad ways to agitate?
Could agitating too long actually give me a lower quality product?
You mentioned that collections from the 120 bag are cooking grade. Do you have any information on cooking with hash/infusion?
or can you point me in the right direction (link or book maybe?) to find this information?
LOL, I actually started a thread about this in toke n talk earlier today. I just want to big up everyone all the time
Good and bad: Yes, gentle is best, the bubblemachine I use is very gentle, way more so than possible with a bucket and paint mixer. Now I won't talk shit on Subcool cause he is THE MAN, but his three minute hand stir bubble hash is abnormally awesome. He must be washing it again after to get the rest of the trichomes, or just be buried in trim. Most people who don't use the machine use a paint mixer, and that IMO is way too rough. Rough agitation breaks up the plant matter, which is bad. The intent is to agitate the ice/water/trim mix to break off the trichome heads without breaking the plant matter at all.
Too long? Yes, and depends. I can wash for up to an hour with the machine on "soft" setting, as long as I keep it cold (add ice as needed). If I were to run it again I would get a little more hash of low quality. Those trichome heads break off VERY easily. Generally 20 minutes on soft in the machine is good. If I were to do a one minute run it might be comparable to Subcool's world class three minute hand stir.
Hash infusion? That post is in the works. I've been doing that forever. I use coconut oil and a yogurt maker (cheapest electric hot plate ever). It takes generally 90 minutes at 212 degrees (water boiling temp) to fully decatboxylate. In a yogurt maker it takes longer, and tastes better. Homemade hash caps are my jam.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Mine is a prop from an artist. He used it for a painting that went in Scientific American (possibly the cover), many years ago. I had to empty out the fake chemicals, just colored sand. I love this jar for pictures, the style is called apothecary I believe.
stoneyluv
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That makes it fit even more... I believe an apothecary is a pharmacist.... one who medicates! And I don't have that "same" bottle,i guess mine just looks similar on the bottom it says "bottle made in japan"
Thanks for the rep... bounced back at ya!
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Does yours have a clear seal? I had to adapt some bong grommets for mine to stay closed well.
stoneyluv
Well-Known Member
Yea, it has a clear seal. the seal is some type of soft plastic. it "clicks" into place and does not easily come off.
I am in the market for a set of bubble bags and i noticed all the ones i looked at were made of nylon. is there a better material? or are nylon ones just fine?