Aliens

[mindphuk]

Yeah you kinda took that out of context. I said I had an experience I couldn't explain. I didn't say that is was aliens or a spacecraft. It was just an experience that I nor my friend couldn't explain. I just thought it was a cool experience I had and I wanted to share it.

Although that experience did fuel my fire to learn as much as I could about the UFO Phenomenon that goes on around the world.

I took it out of context?
Let's look at the context -- "Anyway I had an experience that I can't explain and I will never forget and it's forever tattooed on my memory and I can recall it just like it was yesterday. So whatever you or anybody else has to say on this subject, I will never believe that we are not being visited by extraterrestrials on this planet"
Okay, you mention your experience. The next statement begins with "so" a word that links from the previous sentence. Then you preemptively negate whatever anyone else has to say and the very next sentence you admit that you believe we are being visited.

Care to explain again how I took anything out of context? You just as easily could have researched and found there is no empirical evidence that we have been visited by looking at other reports of UFOs and coming to the same conclusions that scientists do, that many are faked, many are explainable and the very small fraction that aren't explainable still don't demonstrate there are spaceships from another planet. Many times phenomena can't be explained because there's not enough information but that doesn't mean you should let your personal bias get in the way and automatically default to extraterrestrials. This is how myths and superstitions are created. People see weird things and attribute them to imaginary beings.

I find it very sad that after two people explained to you the burden of proof is on those making the positive claim, you say things like, " Do you have any evidence that can be tested to see that it's not."
Present some hard evidence for me to test first, then we can talk.

 

[tardis]

To answer all of your concerns, YES there is life on other planets. No they have not come here and visited, we are behind a belt of gamma radiation that contains and protects us from them (and them from us) and it will be around us for another billion years. Besides, you wouldn't want to meet them any more then you'd want to meet any large wild animal in the jungle while defenseless.

However UFOs are in fact real. The stories in the bible of Elijah being carried up into th heavens in a chariot, or the angels visiting men and teaching them the ways of God. Heck, John went on a UFO to armageddon, but it didn't take place on another planet. They are time travelers from what our human race evolves into (and not in a dumbed down form by any way). As someone who is stuck here in one of your unmodified stinking bodies I can tell you first off that Religion is what happens when you send soldiers back to do scientists work....
Oh yeah, my work is done, so I get to retire and grow old in your dead meatbags, and there were in fact a few things I didn't realize on my trip, for example you lot are quite ignorant to whats right in front of you... granted if you went back in time 15,000 years ago (much closer then I came from) and saw a group of humans surviving you would think them idiots for not using nets or eating certain fruits which were deamed poison by most tribes, much like I see teh world now... Hell I avoid civilization as much as I can because I just wind up angry at people thinking "how the heck do you not see whats right in front of your senses!?!?!?"

But its kinda like camping, the fresh air, the old fashioned bud, the fossil fuels, all that raw unregulated electricity, clean water, and hell i'll just say it, APPLES! If I had known how good these suckers were i'd have worked on trying to replant until i found a clone capable of being what you people eat. These good strains of apples are dead and gone in the future so enjoy them. and all the fads when survival wasn't an issue... anyway I rant.

John got taken into the future where we have modifed forms of life to adapt to the new planet by mixing them so we could retain their gentics when we do find a habitable planet, its why he saw all those creatures that seemed like animals he knew but wern't at the end of the world. oh yeah and his name was pronounced Sissy, which means girly man in your time.

Anyway, UFOs (the real ones) are time machines. I love your movies like Repoman, because you guys know the truth, its just that delusion is how your kind process the world still so you hide the facts from yourselfs, like children with toys believing they each have differnt personalities instead of just hunks fo plastic.

Nuff of my insane rants, I wish I had some of my bud with me but I have to travel by air which means sitting for hours on end in steel tubes next to farting strangers. I had to have my stomach removed just to avoid eating the trash you taint my generations with by adapting to. But at least I store your films and music in harddrives which I encase in freezers (like Pompeii ovens! Bless you maytag!) and put them in landfills that I know are explored before I was born so I can retain some of this lost information for my future... then again I wont see it. I'm like one of those no-return cosmonauts you send to Mars in 15 years. I'm retired....

Little word of advice? Those damned pervert pill eating tunnel digging greys are all assholes, if you see them, dont try to befriend them, just act scary and leave as quickly as you can. They are not scientists, they are explorers, they evolved from all the crap you guys adapt to like Danny Devito in Twins.

 

[tardis]

Oh yes, and dont worry, time can't be "changed", everything that did happen or will happen does happen. Free Will Vs. Destiny, there is no difference.

OH yeah, and the "God" i mentioned is just a guy who rules a species. He is much like that Kim Jong Ill dude in how he tells his people he is the creator...

But I shouldn't talk about that even though i'm finally free to do so here. Impossible to pull a Biff from B2TF2, but at the same time I dont get involved with UFOs anymore then a doctor wants to go home and watch greys anatomy. Its more work than its worth.

 

[mindphuk]

wrt time travel. What is it that current scientists are missing? It seems to have been well-established that if backward time travel were possible, no one would be able to go back further than when the first time machine was built. It appears to be the only way to avoid paradoxes. Since it is obvious that we are wrong, what is the secret?

 

[RawBudzski]

they do exist. but they dont consider themselves aliens as we do, its more of a definition or term. youd be surprised how Odd the human way of thinking/reasoning is compared to some other races. we are too complicated to them, tho they are much more advanced than us if you can understand. their are many, but if you are to ever meet the ones who are in control of our fate which are our ancestors most know as the Grey aliens. they are considered human as well, they are not taught the basics of Emotions, feelings, pain, want, need , greed until they are mature. its more of a lesson than life learning. they take focused to a new level, they understand that to FORCE the human race into advancing any faster would be horrible. we cannot compete nor be as they are because it would be like waking up tomorrow and the Human race deciding everyone whos insignificant in any way must be killed off, then the weak, then the ill. then force every new born to be under a strict program. once the 1st few generations pass our Human way of living has evolved. as far as their Faith goes, they dont dismiss a GOD or higher being at all, nor do they ever think or dwell on it. yet lacking our nieve ways they do put themselves on the same playingfield as their god.. like if their is a god. "we are proof" The Bible was Stories to capture the people minds for the better, like avatar may make our kids want to Save the planet. This is all true, Whoever knows the secrets of the Pyramids knows whats happening on this planet. also to put things in a bigger picture not just our ancestors but other alien races average lifespans can be over 500 earth years easily. But from our PERSPECTIVE say they visited tomorrow, and traveled abroad the star the next day. and returned a week later. a generation of people could have passed on this planet for what was a week to them. Thoes who watch over us happily spend 1-200 years slowly seeing us progress, leave then return to continue the show.

 

[tardis]

wrt time travel. What is it that current scientists are missing? It seems to have been well-established that if backward time travel were possible, no one would be able to go back further than when the first time machine was built. It appears to be the only way to avoid paradoxes. Since it is obvious that we are wrong, what is the secret?

Yes and men can't fly in machines, or else we would be able to strap giant tealeafs to our arms and flap up into the sky. Also there is no way something so small that you can't even see or touch it could go from pson to person leading to illness, everyone knows illness is the will of God......

No such thing as paradoxes since you can't change anything. Our universe grows backwards in time on the outside of our universes skin, within we move the opposite direction.

Sounds like we are much too bright and smart now and so our scientists can't be missing anything can they? Have we somehow reached hte pinnacle of technology so the world will now forever stay the way it is now?

Don't get me wrong, you are absolutly right not to believe me, it is rational to delude oneself into believing that what we don't see or experience isn't real.

I had a buddy who believed that every soul had a purpose, we went through school together for 40 of your years. He gets a mission and travels back (not my method but actually traveled back in his long winged lankey body) to the 1500's and was discovered in a home by a theif, who proceded to tie him up and torture him with a friend to get information we learned in your kindergarden. He told them our language was called Enochian but actually that word pronounced means dropping a dungheap onto a passerby. A sense of humor to his death, good fellow.

wait what was I talking about, yes, i'm retired so I don't expect anyone to beleive me... its why i post it on a pot smoking website.

 

[tardis]

wrt time travel. What is it that current scientists are missing? It seems to have been well-established that if backward time travel were possible, no one would be able to go back further than when the first time machine was built. It appears to be the only way to avoid paradoxes. Since it is obvious that we are wrong, what is the secret?

It would be like explaining a television remote control to a member of the ottoman empire.

 

[tardis]

wrt time travel. What is it that current scientists are missing? It seems to have been well-established that if backward time travel were possible, no one would be able to go back further than when the first time machine was built. It appears to be the only way to avoid paradoxes. Since it is obvious that we are wrong, what is the secret?

The secret is you haven't evolved out of a filter a delusion to your memories which determine your future actions. You delude yourself to live in an emotionally boyant world where you are right in every situation and people you dislike are responsible for the bad things which otherwise wouldn't happen if they were correct in their methods like you are... Your kind don't yet take responsibility for their actions, and thus never really learn. Every action you take now manifests in a pattern which determines your mind and bodies automatic responses in the future. You don't determine 99% of your life, you simply believe you are making choices when in fact you are fullfilling patterns, but to prevent the human mind from recognizing its lack of control it changes its memories of the past instead of the future, wearing out your memories until they dull and fade. You are all like junkies unable to quit, but with bad decisions in life instead of drugs.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Nuff of my insane rants

Exactly what I was thinking..

 

[mindphuk]

Yes and men can't fly in machines, or else we would be able to strap giant tealeafs to our arms and flap up into the sky. Also there is no way something so small that you can't even see or touch it could go from pson to person leading to illness, everyone knows illness is the will of God......

No such thing as paradoxes since you can't change anything. Our universe grows backwards in time on the outside of our universes skin, within we move the opposite direction.

Sounds like we are much too bright and smart now and so our scientists can't be missing anything can they? Have we somehow reached hte pinnacle of technology so the world will now forever stay the way it is now?

Don't get me wrong, you are absolutly right not to believe me, it is rational to delude oneself into believing that what we don't see or experience isn't real.

I had a buddy who believed that every soul had a purpose, we went through school together for 40 of your years. He gets a mission and travels back (not my method but actually traveled back in his long winged lankey body) to the 1500's and was discovered in a home by a theif, who proceded to tie him up and torture him with a friend to get information we learned in your kindergarden. He told them our language was called Enochian but actually that word pronounced means dropping a dungheap onto a passerby. A sense of humor to his death, good fellow.

wait what was I talking about, yes, i'm retired so I don't expect anyone to beleive me... its why i post it on a pot smoking website.

Why so hostile? I didn't say I didn't believe you or that science had all of the answers. I merely mentioned our current understanding of time travel, that physics does not actually prohibit time travel either forward or backward but they do question why travelers from the future haven't come back to our welcoming parties. It appears that it is not against any rules to tell anyone that you are a time traveler, so it seems odd that no one has come back to tell us to quit screwing up things for our future selves. And if there is no rule to prevent telling other people (like the time prime directive in Star Trek), how can you avoid changing anything? The very fact that information from the future can be leaked changes mankind's current progress. You don't even have to physically interact with anyone to change the past, even sending a note could alter the way things unfold.
Anyway, back to the questions since this is really intriguing. How exactly are paradoxes avoided? What mechanism prevents a traveler from affecting his own timeline? I know some theoretical physicists (some of the same ones that have an annual party inviting future travelers to come back), think that when you travel back into time, you actually never visit your own universe. This is of course based on the hypothesis of a multiverse. IOW, if I go back and kill my grandfather, I will not be born in the universe that I am currently visiting but there is no paradox because there are a lot of universes where I never exist and all I did was create another.

 

[mindphuk]

The secret is you haven't evolved out of a filter a delusion to your memories which determine your future actions. You delude yourself to live in an emotionally boyant world where you are right in every situation and people you dislike are responsible for the bad things which otherwise wouldn't happen if they were correct in their methods like you are... Your kind don't yet take responsibility for their actions, and thus never really learn. Every action you take now manifests in a pattern which determines your mind and bodies automatic responses in the future. You don't determine 99% of your life, you simply believe you are making choices when in fact you are fullfilling patterns, but to prevent the human mind from recognizing its lack of control it changes its memories of the past instead of the future, wearing out your memories until they dull and fade. You are all like junkies unable to quit, but with bad decisions in life instead of drugs.

You appear to be making a helluva lot of assumptions about me and what I know or believe. You appear to have taken my post as sarcasm. You would think people of the future would be able to get over themselves a bit more. Yes, that was sarcasm.

 

[mindphuk]

It would be like explaining a television remote control to a member of the ottoman empire.

Yet I could easily explain it in a few short minutes. He might not grasp all of the concepts, but it wouldn't be beyond his ability to understand with some help.

 

[doowmd]

This conversation is getting very interesting.........I'd really like to hear more from u tardis.......I don't mind being the ignorant one in the group...plz enlighten me, to the best of your abilities, about time travel, the future and such. Feel free to treat me like a child while explaining and if I don't understand/can't grasp the concept, well u told me so. This is not intended to be a funny post either. I'm seriously interested in hearing about this from you!

 

[RavenMochi]

just think, one day we'll be the alien race abducting test subjects, implanting probes, and dropping them back off dazed and confused so the rest of their species thinks they're crazy... What a proud day for our race that will be....

 

[Jer La Mota]

Aliens as we know it (Hollywood) nope .. Fiction, man made.

Life on other planets, solar systems, sure, why wouldn't it be possible ?

Its not logical to assume we are the only ones ..

 

[RavenMochi]

I think its a numbers game, with as many other planets/solar systems there are, there has to not only be life as advanced as us, but more than likely some more advanced. with those numbers, it also seems highly likely to me that at least one of those would be advanced enough to know how to make the trips...

 

[Padawanbater2]

I think its a numbers game, with as many other planets/solar systems there are, there has to not only be life as advanced as us, but more than likely some more advanced. with those numbers, it also seems highly likely to me that at least one of those would be advanced enough to know how to make the trips...

How do you get past the numbers, even if they could get here with ships? I don't know of any biological creatures that cane exist for 25,000 years.

 

[RavenMochi]

it wouldn't take that long pad, even now with as primitive as technology is they were developing a way to "teleport" its really kind of creepy though, you should look into it. my guess though, would be the use of something like a controlled worm hole. don't know honestly, but lets face it, i remember when using dark matter, or anti-matter was all scifi, yet in the 90's i read a report from nasa about the development of an engine that would use antimatter, and by the estimations at the time it would allow us to make the 2 year trip to mars in 2-4 months. apparently when we first started fucking with nuclear power we were only harvesting 2-5%percent of the energy being created, where now we get closer to 98%. It was my understanding at the time that the creation of antimatter was that inefficient, but that they believed it would be improved the same way. if i recall it took a 250lb magnetic container to hold 15 nanograms, look it up and see what you find. the point is, anything can be done, if only the technology to do it can be understood....

 

[Dropastone]

Dude, I've asked you what tangible evidence you have and you still have yet to present anything tangible as evidence. All you've given us is anecdotal evidence, which doesn't equal tangible by any stretch of the word.

What ideals or beliefs have I presented?

Your Ideas and beliefs clearly indicate that there can't possibly be any other form of life out there that can figure out how to traverse the great expanse of space to visit other solar systems.

If you think we as a race, are the final judge and jury on this matter, I say bullshit.


OK, something remotely plausible... How about math?

From the Sun to the Earth the distance is roughly 93 million miles, this equals 1AU. It takes light 8:20 +/- to reach the Earth from the sun.

The fastest spacecraft we've ever launched were the two Helios probes that studied the Sun that attained a maximum speed of around 150,000mpH (while in an elliptical orbit around the Sun, which is the only reason they reached such speeds).

From the Sun to Neptune (now the farthest planet in our solar system), the distance is 30AU.

4.05 - 4.12 hours for light to travel to Neptune traveling @ 186,000mpS

Now, physics says we can't go faster than light, not matter what technology we achieve. Don't argue with me on this because it's irrelevant to the conversation. I realize what the physicists say could be wrong, but we are both arguing from from the same foundation as it's the only model available. For you to say "they could be wrong about going faster than light" - you have to present evidence, you can't just make the claim because that isn't science.

Can we at least agree that there are no aliens, or intelligent life, within our own solar system? If you don't agree with that then I'd like to hear where you think they are, seriously. And why we haven't been able to either make contact with them or spot them definitively on telescopes or radar or something similar.

Pertaining to the paragraph above. You clearly don't look at anything I bring to the table. You just dismiss it because in you mind I just isn't possible so why should you look.

I posted a cpl of NASA videos that might just show you a cpl of answers to the questions you just asked.

Also there are documented cases where our government and a few others have tracked unknown craft at unworldly speeds on radar. Fighter pilots, airline pilots, military personnel and astronauts have all seen things they can't explain. So I guess they're all kooks and liars as well.

The local group of galaxies covers a 10 million light year radius. 10 million light years.

Our CLOSEST neighboring galaxy is Canis Major @ a distance of 25,000 light years away from our solar system.

It would take a person going light speed 25,000 years to reach that galaxy from Earth.

So please, explain to me how anything could accomplish that feat,

Did it ever occur to you that a race possibly a billion years ahead of us technologically could have figured out a way to do this without even having to break the speed of light. Have you ever heard of worm holes or warp drive, were you bend the fabric of space to get from point A to B in less time. I don't believe lights speed has anything to do with that.

why they would come, and why they wouldn't make themselves known.

Apparently no one knows this and I could only speculate. Maybe they have there own agenda and there not ready to let it be know that they are here. Maybe there waiting for the right time when we are more technologically advanced. Maybe they see us as a war mongering civilization and don't deem us worthy of gracing us with their presence.

You think any government on the planet could keep an alien species existence under wraps if the aliens didn't want them to?

Who says the aliens don't want them to? Our government has been keeping this under wraps since the 40's. I think it's the other way around and the aliens are the one's who doesn't want to be known just yet. It could also be a possibility that they are working together for unknown reasons.

Why would an alien race hide in such ways?

Like I said earlier, I don't have that answer. Maybe it's because they have there own agenda and when there ready they'll let it be known.

Answer all those questions, they're legitimate. Don't just skip over them, I want real answers.

If I left anything out let me know.


Dropastone, I have no problem admitting when someone else is a lot smarter than I am. Scientists study this stuff for a living. They put their life's work into it, it means a lot to them. I bullshit on RIU and youtube in my spare time, it's pretty safe to say they know a little more than I do about these issues. If you don't think so, you're only kidding yourself.

The scientific community is a collective body of the WORLDS best and brightest. I am one man with a high school education and a computer... If you have credentials that compete with the worlds leading experts, then, by all means, go compete, but if you don't, why not admit it?

I'll admit I don't have the smarts compete with the worlds leading scientists on this subject. Although I do have enough smarts to consider the possibility's of things that are of the unknown. I like to think of things that are out side the box, not just within the box.

I've only facepalmed twice while reading a response from someone on the internet, congratulations, you're number 3!

You know I could easily say the same for you about all you narrow minded talk.

What did I JUST tell you in my last post man?

That's just a stupid thing to say or believe...

Scientists don't give a flying fuck about their egos. Scientists LOVE to be proven wrong. It doesn't make a person look stupid to admit when they're wrong about something, it makes them look ADMIRABLE. Smart people understand this clearly! Stupid people keep incorrect opinions because they are stupid. It's shit like that that makes them stupid people. Science and real scientists are only interested in the TRUTH. Fuck profits, fuck funding, fuck what the public might feel comfortable with, the game of science and the entire reason it exists today is solely to find the TRUTH. That is what interests the scientist.

I beg to differ, scientists have huge egos. If they don't understand something that other scientists bring to their attn that doesn't fit into there ideas or beliefs they'll easily dismiss it and ridicule them for their beliefs. Most scientists wouldn't even dare to bring it up for fear of being ostracized by the scientific community.

Now I feel I have given you the best answers I can to all of your questions. If you don't like what I have to say then so be it. It's clear to me we don't have the same views on this subject and we could debate this subject for years to come and I just don't have that kind of time. Your not gonna change my mind and I'm not gonna change yours. So why proceed any further.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dropastone]

I took it out of context?
Let's look at the context -- "Anyway I had an experience that I can't explain and I will never forget and it's forever tattooed on my memory and I can recall it just like it was yesterday. So whatever you or anybody else has to say on this subject, I will never believe that we are not being visited by extraterrestrials on this planet"
Okay, you mention your experience. The next statement begins with "so" a word that links from the previous sentence. Then you preemptively negate whatever anyone else has to say and the very next sentence you admit that you believe we are being visited.

Care to explain again how I took anything out of context? You just as easily could have researched and found there is no empirical evidence that we have been visited by looking at other reports of UFOs and coming to the same conclusions that scientists do, that many are faked, many are explainable and the very small fraction that aren't explainable still don't demonstrate there are spaceships from another planet. Many times phenomena can't be explained because there's not enough information but that doesn't mean you should let your personal bias get in the way and automatically default to extraterrestrials. This is how myths and superstitions are created. People see weird things and attribute them to imaginary beings.

I find it very sad that after two people explained to you the burden of proof is on those making the positive claim, you say things like, " Do you have any evidence that can be tested to see that it's not."
Present some hard evidence for me to test first, then we can talk.

Okay you got me. I used the word "so" referring to my last paragraph. That experience did leave me to believe in a extraterrestrial presence on earth. As for evidence in either case, yours or mine. I would have to say no one has any hard evidence to be tested that can be conclusive. All I have is the information I've posted in this thread that clearly goes unnoticed. The only other evidence I can see from your point of view or others on this thread is that we can't break the speed of light. To me that isn't hard evidence either because maybe you don't have to break the speed of light to travel from one solar system to the next.