Anyone make $$$ at Casino's?

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Timmy22

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I do alot better at a double deck pitch blackjack table than I do at any of the reg. 6 deck games. Are odds better on the games with less decks in play or would it even matter? Damn doc, not you got me intrigued!! Ive been surfing the net for different strategies and betting techniques.
 

thedoc08

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The best thing I can tell you to do, is take that optimal action sheet on the last page, print it off, have it made into a T-shirt, then wear that in to the casino. As far as decks in play calculations, I think the fewer decks used increases your chance to be more profitable, but only if you are counting cards. If you are not counting, There is no difference between 1 and 500 decks. Most casinos nowadays use a 6 deck shoe and reshuffle slightly before it gets half done. Doesn't make it any harder to count cards, but it reduces the effectiveness of counting.
 

Timmy22

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As long as I can remember to have it printed on the shirt upside down that way when I look down at it I can actually read it! LOL! I think Im WAY too stoned to try and count cards when im at the casino!
 

cliffey501

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No, it is completely irrelevant of any of those factors. That is just the house edge in Blackjack. I forget what the statistics law is called, but it has to do with as numbers increase they will get closer to the statistical expectation. Sure those factors might change the short term payout, but has nothing to do with the standardized house edge in Blackjack.
thats what im saying thats the house edge with a full deck(s).but when you sit down at a table you dont know what has been dealt or how many cards are left.so you could sit down at a table with only 4's,5's,6's and 8's left in play so your odds of winning would be significantly lower and as with the martingale strategy this could happen the next 7 times you sit at the blackjack table and leave you bankrupt.roulettes odds are constant i will hit red or black 48% of the time where blackjack unless you have a full deck(s) or a known number of cards its anyones guess what the odds are.Also when i do play roulette which is rare i play poker mostly i dont think of it as im betting black or red im betting the house isnt going to roll either black or red 10 times in a row.and the only reason why this strategy doesn't work 100% is because of table limits.If i had an unlimited bankroll and there was no table limit i could never lose.
 

Timmy22

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Man, like I tell my buddy at the casino, its my money and Ill play it how I want. Do your thing cliffey. Of course everyone wants to win when they go, but no stategy is a sure thing. I go to have fun but I play a stategy to try to win. If I go home broke though, then so be it as long as I had a good time.
 

redivider

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don't follow docs advice.

you think casino personel won't notice the shirt??

a responsible and alert pitboss would have you escorted out before your seat got warm.......

i grew up in a casino town and yeah, you don't want the casinos to get the impression your counting cards, or anything like that...... you'll be blacklisted and it'll be hard for you to ever walk into a casino in your state again....

as a health issue it's also bad advice to wear a shirt that says how to skew the odds in your favor to the casino.... that's just wanting to loose some teeth....
 

cliffey501

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Man, like I tell my buddy at the casino, its my money and Ill play it how I want. Do your thing cliffey. Of course everyone wants to win when they go, but no stategy is a sure thing. I go to have fun but I play a stategy to try to win. If I go home broke though, then so be it as long as I had a good time.

for sure man thats what its all about is having fun.if i want to make money ill stick with online poker where the odds can without a doubt be shifted in your favor.anything else is just a gamble.the only sure fire way to win at a casino is to walk in with a gun and rob the place and even then the house has the edge lol.

don't follow docs advice.

you think casino personel won't notice the shirt??

a responsible and alert pitboss would have you escorted out before your seat got warm.......

i grew up in a casino town and yeah, you don't want the casinos to get the impression your counting cards, or anything like that...... you'll be blacklisted and it'll be hard for you to ever walk into a casino in your state again....

as a health issue it's also bad advice to wear a shirt that says how to skew the odds in your favor to the casino.... that's just wanting to loose some teeth....
you have been watching to much casino lol
 

Bob Smith

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No, it is completely irrelevant of any of those factors. That is just the house edge in Blackjack. I forget what the statistics law is called, but it has to do with as numbers increase they will get closer to the statistical expectation.
"Reversion to the mean", brought to you courtesy of the "Law of Large Numbers".

As a semi-professional poker player, a currently unemployed bond trader, and a former statistics major, I had a good chuckle when the Martingale strategy was espoused as a "foolproof" way to beat a casino.........pretty good stuff right there for an early morning laugh.
 

thedoc08

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don't follow docs advice.

you think casino personel won't notice the shirt??

a responsible and alert pitboss would have you escorted out before your seat got warm.......

i grew up in a casino town and yeah, you don't want the casinos to get the impression your counting cards, or anything like that...... you'll be blacklisted and it'll be hard for you to ever walk into a casino in your state again....

as a health issue it's also bad advice to wear a shirt that says how to skew the odds in your favor to the casino.... that's just wanting to loose some teeth....
I was obviously joking about the shirt, but thanks for clarifying that to everyone who has never been in a casino in their entire lives.
 

thedoc08

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"Reversion to the mean", brought to you courtesy of the "Law of Large Numbers".
Law of Large Numbers is what I was thinking of, been a while since statistics. Reversion to the mean is something entirely different though...and to illustrate what that is using mother nature, Hurricane Katrina came down upon low income neighborhoods with furious anger. That was statistical improbability, and reversion (or regression) to the mean states that it would be calm after that. Calm except for crackhead susan stranded on her roof screaming for 7 days with nothing but Frito's and her crackpipe.

As a semi-professional poker player, a currently unemployed bond trader, and a former statistics major, I had a good chuckle when the Martingale strategy was espoused as a "foolproof" way to beat a casino.........pretty good stuff right there for an early morning laugh
Yeah, I was in disbelief when I saw him post his first strategy that he called "pyramid" but now that I think about it, I think pyramid is just a word the ignorant use to describe Martingale. Still hope he dies.
 

cliffey501

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I had a good chuckle when the Martingale strategy was espoused as a "foolproof" way to beat a casino.........pretty good stuff right there for an early morning laugh.
I never said its foolproof

As a semi-professional poker player, a currently unemployed bond trader, and a former statistics major,
all sound like nice ways of saying unemployed.Hows that for an
early morning laugh.
 

thedoc08

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I could sit here all day and cite sources that mathematically explain why Martingale is a bad betting strategy unless you're in a vacuum with an infinite bankroll, an infinite table limit, and infinite time. Since nobody has those things, Martingale is a proven bad system. I'm sure you've heard of the law of subjective reality, and I'm sure that somehow for some reason the Martingale system seems like it makes sense to you, but objectively it is not a winning system.

Why are you still posting, you should have stabbed yourself in the face with the handle of a screwdriver by now?
 

Timmy22

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don't follow docs advice.

you think casino personel won't notice the shirt??

a responsible and alert pitboss would have you escorted out before your seat got warm.......

i grew up in a casino town and yeah, you don't want the casinos to get the impression your counting cards, or anything like that...... you'll be blacklisted and it'll be hard for you to ever walk into a casino in your state again....

as a health issue it's also bad advice to wear a shirt that says how to skew the odds in your favor to the casino.... that's just wanting to loose some teeth....
Hahaha! Dude we were both being sarcastic. Guess you cant here the sarcasm through a keyboard though...But even if I did make that T-shirt, they wouldnt say shit! That was a simple basic strategy chart more or less. You can buy a card with basic strategy on it in the casino gift shop for like $5. Hell people at the tables ask the dealer what they should do when they have certain cards and they will say "well basic strategy says you should..."
 

MDHomeGrown

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I aint no gud at cards, but i do go 2 Charlestown Races n Slots in WV. Pretty much the only place around except 4 dover downs & atlantic city which r hours away. In the last 3 years, ive prob lost over $3,000 at Charlestown playin the slots n never won more than $300. There payout is terrible. Now that i think about it, ive been kicked out of the place twice. Once for unscrewing all the light bulbs in an elevator n then again for sliding down an escalator. Drunk n broke of course lol
 

mindphuk

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Hahaha! Dude we were both being sarcastic. Guess you cant here the sarcasm through a keyboard though...But even if I did make that T-shirt, they wouldnt say shit! That was a simple basic strategy chart more or less. You can buy a card with basic strategy on it in the casino gift shop for like $5. Hell people at the tables ask the dealer what they should do when they have certain cards and they will say "well basic strategy says you should..."
True. Using a chart like that, on a t-shirt or not, is not against casino rules since they don't consider optimal play cheating. Only shuffle tracking and card counting is cheating. I haven't been to a Vegas casino in a few years but I was told many have moved away from hand shuffling shoes of 6 or 8 decks and using mechanical shufflers to eliminate any advantage a counter will have. Is this becoming widespread?

I will just point out to Doc that the pyramid system in roulette is not the same as the Martingale. The pyramid system just increases by one unit for each loss rather than double the previous bet. However, they are both similar in that they don't do anything to eliminate the vig as proponents would have you believe. There is no mathematical system to beat ANY game where previous actions have no effect on the odds. Games like roulette and craps have independent probabilities, BJ and poker have dependent probabilities which can be exploited (as long as the deck isn't shuffled every hand in BJ).
 

Timmy22

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Yeah Mindphuk all the casinos around me all use automatic shufflers now. they might have ONE table open that is hand shuffled and it is usually double deck pitch. I HATE the auto shufflers. I hardly ever play black jack anymore unless it is double deck pitch. There is no "system" to win over the long run for the simple fact that unlike you the casino has an unlimited bankroll and never stops playing.
 
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