Jack Herer's CCHH 2012 Initiative: www.youthfederation.com/cchhi2012.html

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Jack Herer's CCHH 2012 Initiative:
www.youthfederation.com/cchhi2012.html
Greetings RIU. It's been long enough. My sore ass from 19 failing has passed and I can talk politics without getting pissed.

Lets examine this CCHH 2012 Initiative.

PROPOSED WORDING AS OF 05/13/2010:
California Cannabis Hemp & Health Initiative 2012

California Cannabis Hemp & Health Initiative 2012

AN ACT TO AMEND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE OF CALIFORNIA:

I. Add Section 11362.6 to the Health and Safety Code of California, any laws or policies to the contrary notwithstanding:

1. No person, individual, or corporate entity shall be arrested or prosecuted, be denied any right or privilege, nor be subject to any criminal or civil penalties for the possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp marijuana, including:

(a) Cannabis hemp industrial products.

(b) Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations.

(c) Cannabis hemp nutritional products.

(c) Cannabis hemp religious and spiritual products.

(d) Cannabis hemp recreational and euphoric use and products.

2. Definition of terms:

(a) The terms "cannabis hemp" and “cannabis hemp marijuana” mean the natural, non-genetically modified plant hemp, cannabis, marihuana, marijuana, cannabis sativa L, cannabis Americana, cannabis chinensis, cannabis indica, cannabis ruderalis, cannabis sativa, or any variety of cannabis, including any derivative, concentrate, extract, flower, leaf, particle, preparation, resin, root, salt, seed, stalk, stem, or any product thereof.

(b) The term "cannabis hemp industrial products" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are not designed or intended for human consumption, including, but not limited to: clothing, building materials, paper, fiber, fuel, lubricants, plastics, paint, seed for cultivation, animal feed, veterinary medicine, oil, or any other product that is not designed for internal human consumption; as well as cannabis hemp plants used for crop rotation, erosion control, pest control, weed control, or any other horticultural or environmental purposes, for example, the reversal of the Greenhouse Effect and toxic soil reclamation.

(c) The term "cannabis hemp medicinal preparations" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are designed, intended, or used for human consumption for the treatment of any human disease or condition, for pain relief, or for any healing purpose, including but not limited to the treatment or relief of: Alzheimer's and pre-Alzheimer's disease, stroke, arthritis, asthma, cramps, epilepsy, glaucoma, migraine, multiple sclerosis, nausea, premenstrual syndrome, side effects of cancer chemotherapy, fibromyalgia, sickle cell anemia, spasticity, spinal injury, stress, easement of post-traumatic stress disorder, Tourette syndrome, attention deficit disorder, immunodeficiency, wasting syndrome from AIDS or anorexia; use as an antibiotic, antibacterial, anti-viral, or anti-emetic; as a healing agent, or as an adjunct to any medical or herbal treatment. Mental conditions not limited to bipolar, depression, attention deficit disorder, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, shall be conditions considered for medical use.

(d) The term "cannabis hemp nutritional products" means cannabis hemp for consumption by humans and animals as food, including but not limited to: seed, seed protein, seed oil, essential fatty acids, seed cake, dietary fiber, or any preparation or extract thereof.

(e) The term "cannabis hemp euphoric products" means cannabis hemp intended for personal recreational or religious use, other than cannabis hemp industrial products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, or cannabis hemp nutritional products.

(f) The term "personal use" means the internal consumption of cannabis hemp by people 21 years of age or older for any relaxational, meditative, religious, spiritual, recreational, or other purpose other than sale.

(g) The term "commercial production" means the production of cannabis hemp products for sale or profit under the conditions of these provisions.

3. Industrial cannabis hemp farmers, manufacturers, processors, and distributors shall not be subject to any special zoning requirement, licensing fee, or tax that is excessive, discriminatory, or prohibitive.

4. Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations are hereby restored to the list of available medicines in California. Licensed physicians shall not be penalized for, nor restricted from, prescribing or recommending cannabis hemp for medical purposes to any patient, regardless of age. No tax shall be applied to prescribed cannabis hemp medicinal preparations. Medical research shall be encouraged. No recommending physician shall be subject to any professional licensing review or hearing as a result of recommending or approving medical use of cannabis hemp marijuana.

5. Personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products.

(a) No permit, license, or tax shall be required for the non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp.

(b) Testing for inactive and/or inert residual cannabis metabolites shall not be required for employment or insurance, nor be considered in determining employment, other impairment, or intoxication.

(c) When a person falls within the conditions of these exceptions, the offense laws do not apply and only the exception laws apply.

6. Use of cannabis hemp products for religious or spiritual purposes shall be considered an inalienable right; and shall be protected by the full force of the State and Federal Constitutions.

7. Commerce in cannabis hemp euphoric products shall be limited to adults, 21 years of age and older, and shall be regulated in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. For the purpose of distinguishing personal from commercial production, 99 flowering female plants and 12 pounds of dried, cured cannabis hemp flowers, bud, not leaf, produced per adult, 21 years of age and older, per year shall be considered as being for personal use.

8. The manufacture, marketing, distribution, or sales between adults of equipment or accessories designed to assist in the planting, cultivation, harvesting, curing, processing, packaging, storage, analysis, consumption, or transportation of cannabis hemp plants, industrial cannabis hemp products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, cannabis hemp nutritional products, cannabis hemp euphoric products, or any cannabis hemp product shall not be prohibited.

9. No California law enforcement personnel or funds shall be used to assist or aid and abet in the enforcement of Federal cannabis hemp marijuana laws involving acts which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California.

10. Any person who threatens the enjoyment of these provisions is guilty of a misdemeanor. The maximum penalties and fines of a misdemeanor may be imposed.

II. Repeal, delete, and expunge any and all existing statutory laws that conflict with the provisions of this initiative.

1. Enactment of this initiative shall include: amnesty, immediate release from prison, jail, parole, and probation, and clearing, expungement, and deletion of all criminal records for all persons currently charged with, or convicted of any non-violent cannabis hemp marijuana offenses included in this initiative which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. People who fall within this category that triggered an original sentence are included within this provision.

2. Within 60 days of the passage of this Act, the Attorney General shall develop and distribute a one-page application, providing for the destruction of all cannabis hemp marijuana criminal records in California for any such offense covered by this Act. Such forms shall be distributed to district and city attorneys and made available at all police departments in the State to persons hereby affected. Upon filing such form with any Superior Court and a payment of a fee of $10.00, the Court shall liberally construe these provisions to benefit the defendant in furtherance of the amnesty and dismissal provision of this section. Upon the Court's ruling under this provision the arrest record shall be set aside and be destroyed. Such persons may then truthfully state that they have never been arrested or convicted of any cannabis hemp marijuana related offense which is hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. This shall be deemed to be a finding of factual innocence under California Penal Code Section 851.8 et seq.

III. The legislature is authorized upon thorough investigation, to enact legislation using reasonable standards to:

1. License concessionary establishments to distribute cannabis hemp euphoric products in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. Sufficient community outlets shall be licensed to provide reasonable commercial access to persons of legal age, so as to discourage and prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, such products. Any license or permit fee required by the State for commercial production, distribution or use shall not exceed $1,000.00.

2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California's wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce.

3. Determine an acceptable and uniform standard of impairment based on performance testing, to restrict persons impaired by cannabis hemp euphoric products from operating a motor vehicle or heavy machinery, or otherwise engaging in conduct that may affect public safety.

4. Regulate the personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products in enclosed and/or restricted public places.

IV. Pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the people of California hereby repudiate and challenge Federal cannabis hemp marijuana prohibitions that conflict with this act.

V. Severability: If any provision of this Act, or the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, shall be held invalid by any court, the remainder of this Act, to the extent it can be given effect, or the application of such provisions to persons or circumstances other than those as to which it is held invalid, shall not be affected thereby, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable.

VI. Construction: If any rival or conflicting initiative regulating any matter addressed by this act receives the higher affirmative vote, then all non-conflicting parts shall become operative.

VII. Purpose of Act: This Act is an exercise of the police powers of the State for the protection of the safety, welfare, health, and peace of the people and the environment of the State, to protect the industrial and medicinal uses of cannabis hemp, to eliminate the unlicensed and unlawful cultivation, selling, and dispensing of cannabis hemp; and to encourage temperance in the consumption of cannabis hemp euphoric products. It is hereby declared that the subject matter of this Act involves, in the highest degree, the ecological, economic, social, and moral well-being and safety of the State and of all its people. All provisions of this Act shall be liberally construed for the accomplishment of these purposes: to respect human rights, to promote tolerance, and to end cannabis hemp prohibition.

Eddy Lepp

George Clayton Johnson

Michael S. Jolson
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Now in all honesty, this bill has zero chance to pass. its too perfect for us. BUT we have time to take a serious look at it and make it acceptable to the masses.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
i didn't read in the bill where we have to bow down to RIchard Lee. Is that in the fine print ?
lol, okay, i get ya. but this bill has nothing to do with lee ... and fyi I am an OU instructor. I've taught indoor, outdoor, hash, and cooking for the north bay campus. We don't have to argue about that school, and I know you can respect that I gotta work somewhere... ou pays 20x what the dispensary paid me :)

Let's try to focus on the future and not the past. Lee is broke. 19 failed. What else can I say?

Jack H 2012 allows us all to have 99 plants and 12 pounds!!!!!!!!
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
sorry to break it to you.

california had it's chance to legalize.

you let it pass because you were to high to know what you were voting for.

i expect at least 3-5 years will pass before another measure gathers the sig's to go the ballot.

because prop 19 failed, it'll be almost a decade before california comes close to legalizing again.

:clap::clap::clap:
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
sorry to break it to you.

california had it's chance to legalize.

you let it pass because you were to high to know what you were voting for.

i expect at least 3-5 years will pass before another measure gathers the sig's to go the ballot.

because prop 19 failed, it'll be almost a decade before california comes close to legalizing again.

:clap::clap::clap:
hey, don't include me in this "you were too high"

I may be supersaturated with cannabinoids, but i voted yes.

And i agree about it taking another decade, but that doesn't mean give up for now.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Now in all honesty, this bill has zero chance to pass. its too perfect for us. BUT we have time to take a serious look at it and make it acceptable to the masses.
Would be fantastic if this passed, but it's just not well thought out at all, I don't see it happening. Jack Herer seemed like a really great guy who looked out for everyone in a very admirable way, but he just wasn't tactful enough to get this done. Something like this needs to be well thought out.

I think a similar law could be passed, but not this one. This law allows for zero local control of business and no special local benefits. Even the most liberal cities/counties will oppose this. The "no zoning" stuff is nuts. This makes it legal to rent out residential houses and convert them to commercial grow houses. That alone creates such a shit storm that this will never pass.

I fully support and agree with everything in CCHH, but in no way does it have a realistic chance of passing. I'll definitely sign the petition to get it on the ballot and if it does I'll vote for it, but this is a pipe dream.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
and fyi I am an OU instructor.
Then I have a bone to pick with you! I went to bluesky last week to buy some clones so I could fill out one of my trays and I'm informed that you guys stopped carrying cotton candy! Wtf? That shit was fire, yielded good with big buds and easy to grow. How do you guys get rid of that but keep "707 headband" (which btw isn't really 707 headband, everyone in Humboldt agrees with that), hindu kush, WW, etc?

You and everyone else at OU/Bluesky are fired!

I mean it worked out for me because I ended up getting pineapple express instead, but you guys had a real winner and let it go! Why?
 

The Ruiner

Well-Known Member
All considerations I believe should be forwarded to the dudes at YFI...they got a lot of pressure now, and I think that they know things are about to get complicated for 2012. I seriously think that we should all come up with our concerns and suggestions and make them known to the bill writers.

And if my spidey-sense told me differently, I wouldnt feel as if the gears of revision have already gone into motion...I think the big-boys in the industry have a lot of BS to hash-out (HAHA, hash-out) and they know that...probably got a great head start on 2012. I could see the CCHHI changing A LOT in the next year or so.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
All considerations I believe should be forwarded to the dudes at YFI...they got a lot of pressure now, and I think that they know things are about to get complicated for 2012. I seriously think that we should all come up with our concerns and suggestions and make them known to the bill writers.

And if my spidey-sense told me differently, I wouldnt feel as if the gears of revision have already gone into motion...I think the big-boys in the industry have a lot of BS to hash-out (HAHA, hash-out) and they know that...probably got a great head start on 2012. I could see the CCHHI changing A LOT in the next year or so.
I hope so. As far as what kind of law should be implemented in Cali, CCHHI is fantastic. Everything I could ever want and more. I love it. But they need to think about how they are going to get non-smokers to vote for this. We do not represent the majority. Because of this fact we need to find a way for legalization to benefit another large block of voters who would normally be indifferent to legalization. That is how this gets passed.

Richard Lee understands this. If only someone out there had the integrity of Jack Herer, brains of Richard Lee, and the money of George Soros....
 

The Ruiner

Well-Known Member
I hope so. As far as what kind of law should be implemented in Cali, CCHHI is fantastic. Everything I could ever want and more. I love it. But they need to think about how they are going to get non-smokers to vote for this. We do not represent the majority. Because of this fact we need to find a way for legalization to benefit another large block of voters who would normally be indifferent to legalization. That is how this gets passed.

Richard Lee understands this. If only someone out there had the integrity of Jack Herer, brains of Richard Lee, and the money of George Soros....
Well, I think that most major players in CA are going to be on-board for this, so I think the mental and capital resources will be there. Integrity...well, I see it as a personal responsibility to watch anyone drafting MJ-related legislation closely, the CCHHI won't get a free pass either. The best thing about CCHHI is that its not set in stone, and there is at least some time to make changes. I think that anyone who is interested in seeing legalization in 2012 should get serious NOW...start reading and scrutinizing the CCHHI, email your concerns to Mike at YF.

I think if the CCHHI can tolerate the same treatment 19 was given BEFORE its put to petition, there is a chance for success.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Well, I think that most major players in CA are going to be on-board for this, so I think the mental and capital resources will be there. Integrity...well, I see it as a personal responsibility to watch anyone drafting MJ-related legislation closely, the CCHHI won't get a free pass either. The best thing about CCHHI is that its not set in stone, and there is at least some time to make changes. I think that anyone who is interested in seeing legalization in 2012 should get serious NOW...start reading and scrutinizing the CCHHI, email your concerns to Mike at YF.
Ok. I will send them a well thought out email.

I think if the CCHHI can tolerate the same treatment 19 was given BEFORE its put to petition, there is a chance for success.
I agree. The time for scrutiny is now. Once it's on the ballot, I'll support it no matter what it says. Same goes for any other legalization measure on the ballot.
 

The Ruiner

Well-Known Member
Ok. I will send them a well thought out email.



I agree. The time for scrutiny is now. Once it's on the ballot, I'll support it no matter what it says. Same goes for any other legalization measure on the ballot.
I can easily see myself supporting the CCHHI, even with some revisions that might not fancy many people here...but so far I think it's heading in the right direction.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
I can easily see myself supporting the CCHHI, even with some revisions that might not fancy many people here...but so far I think it's heading in the right direction.
Yeah, over all it does give us most of the rights we deserve. I've got absolutely no problem with a law like this being implemented. It's be a huge success, I can't imagine anything better. It's a solid foundation. It just needs a little more thought to gain support of non-smokers.
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
Has anyone considered that the reason Prop-19 the second ( yes there was one in 1972 called prop 19 ) didn't pass because it wasn't liberal enough?


There are 5 things I have gathered up so far that our California people want.

1. The age to be 18+
2. 99 plants and a garden per person not per property like prop 19
3. Private sales rights from California Citizens to California Citizens.
4. A Medical Bill of rights so that folks in Stanislaus ( Central Valley area ) can have Canna-Coffee shops and Canna Stores too! We have Jim-Crow-Cannabis all up and down the state. Time for Equal rights
5. One tax and regulatory authority on the State level. We have Jim-Crow-Cannabis laws all up and down the State such as Rancho Cordova's $27,000 a year tax on a 5x5 medical garden with more tax for larger gardens both in an outside.

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If we focus on trying to appease the No voters.. That includes those who are against Cannabis at all and those that are in Favour of Cannabis but not Canna-Equality because they make Bank now then we will never have legislation until the black market is so out of the bag that Legalization is something that won't get much news coverage.

At this time I see the initial turn around from the Prop-19 vote is doing well.
Our first couple of weeks has us back on the Legalization trail with most of my readers on California2012.org willing to read about stories that we have no hope more than the Get-Up Stand up for your rights Bob-Marley type articles.

So we will have 2 more years of Mexican Narco-Wars with our McClatchey papers running multiple stories on Narco Weapons today that Mexico gets from us along with cash from Drugs sales.
There is nothing better our Government likes to do that funnel monies to our military and our local police are our local military. Legalize hell no spend more on war!
Do they want to stop the flow of monies and guns? No our people do not. Do we want to be told it doesn't exist at all Yes we do. That is why we voted No on legalizing cannabis.. We want to go back to sleep and wake up in a fairy tale land of it never-was.

So is there a chance to legalize as we dream of in 2012.. YES THERE IS!

Win or lose we should be fighting the war that brings real Canna-Freedom with Victory.

We are looking at the 16 year olds to vote in 2012.. Why not start a Voter Pledge drive Club for all 16 and older as of Nov 2 2010?

Why not organize NOW TODAY and keep the Canna-Civil Rights march on track and in step with our goal of ending what started as a way to eliminate a whole fiber and chemical industry based on hemp by making it a race issue of Blacks and weed or Mexicans and Weed!

Why not get off your ass and do something every day to help us win in 2012 instead of pondering if it can be done from your chair in 2012.

I say Swing-Left Sweet Chariot!

This is what I posted on ICMag and so far they refuse to post any Left-wing legalization stuff from me:
I posted as Santa Claus

Santa Sez: "Ho ho ho... There are 37 days until Saturday, 25 December 2010.

Mrs. Claus believes prop-19 failed because it didn't allow the little elves 18+, 99 plants, and legal private sales from residents to other resident private citizens in State.

She also adds that a Uniform Medical Bill of rights making any right in one county automatically a right in all others is a wise "Rider." Hehe She is so wise on politics.
Economic equality is never a bad way to get the voters to approve an Initiative she said.

The elves here have adapted the song Swing Low Sweet Chariot in honour of all Canna-Slaves world wide to "Swing Left all Canna-People, it's the only way were gonna get any-thing-done! Swing Left Sweet Canna-People right-wing Canna-Laws will never get it done."

Happy Holidays.. Mrs. Claus has a fat goose all picked out for Thanksgiving!

Okay okay.. Tinker the tiny Elf is wanting me to share his favourite Singer John Cash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZ128zVEr4"


We Can Go Way Left-wing in 2012 and I will bet you that the reason Prop-19 the 2nd failed was because it wasn't liberal enough in allowing all of us up and down the State economic equality under the Law."

Also please people California2012.org a site dedicated as a neutral location for a "Town Meeting on the State level."

Remember this Prop-215 was extremely Liberal!!! It Passed long ago by way over 50% Our new generations of voters are all pro-legalization we just have to include them in the new Freedom to get their vote. That and car pools but I digress.


Thanks.. Your Welcome Forum Nice guy.. Ernst
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Has anyone considered that the reason Prop-19 the second ( yes there was one in 1972 called prop 19 ) didn't pass because it wasn't liberal enough?
I totally agree with that, but keep in mind no legalization measure passes without the support of non-smokers. I absolutely think a more liberal bill than prop 19 could pass. The average California voter has no idea what the difference is between 25sq ft of grow space and 100sq ft of grow space. I don't think liberalizing aspects of the bill like grow space or personal possession loses us any votes what so ever, it only gains us votes.

Just remember, everyone in Cali gets a vote, not just us. We have to appeal to everyone. The average non-smoker doesn't give a shit how much you grow or posses personally, they just want to know how this benefits them.
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
I totally agree with that, but keep in mind no legalization measure passes without the support of non-smokers. I absolutely think a more liberal bill than prop 19 could pass. The average California voter has no idea what the difference is between 25sq ft of grow space and 100sq ft of grow space. I don't think liberalizing aspects of the bill like grow space or personal possession loses us any votes what so ever, it only gains us votes.

Just remember, everyone in Cali gets a vote, not just us. We have to appeal to everyone. The average non-smoker doesn't give a shit how much you grow or posses personally, they just want to know how this benefits them.
The number one thing is we get together on a plan earlier rather than later.

Lee's group has said they need big money. That may be true when selling a product like the Right-Wing leaning prop-19 but we can do it with $20 a month pledges from now until signature gathering time and that can pay our people to get out there.
I gathered for CCI here in the Central Valley I know what we face. If I can stand out here in Turlock and gather signatures I can tell you what we face. http://californiacannabisinitiative.org/

I do agree that a Professional Signature company is the way to go. It will cost $1 million or so. That is 4,167 people donating $20 a month for a year. Is that Doable?

We just need to get organized now and fast!

Like I write I started California2012.org as a central focus that is neutral to all the grow and news sites so that we can unseat our people and get all of us up and down the state to come together and get a plan going!

All the Initiatives I know of are linked from California2012.

So what are we waiting for?

I am ready to be the first person on the honored 4167 list!


All these "what do we want" threads we are having and going to waste time in our isolated communities can be avoided with a look at the ONLY SUCCESSFUL legalization proposition to pass for our example to go by ; Prop 215.

Forget the attempt to establish market control and drug policy like Prop-19 circa 2010 did. Let it Swing left and liberally legalize for all including a Bill of medical rights!

Right now I have no place I can go to be around other cannabis people in Turlock and that will not change by writing laws that allow these people to keep discriminating.

Prop-19 thought that by pandering to these haters and offering Jim-Crow-Cannabis "Dry Counties" that if it passed , Oakland" would become the Canna-Mecca of California and to Hell with people in Turlock as long as Oakland was Pimp!

So who is with me in Swinging way left? Who will be among the 4167 to make monthly $20 donations for signature gathering and who of us wil stand up and draft the Next Initiative so we can get everyone up to speed over the coming 23 months?
It's not like we are thinking we can't get an initiative on the ballot, we did with prop-19, and we came close.. If we go liberal like prop-215 we will have a home run!

Freedom is just a vote away and if we fail again in 2012 we regroup for 2014 and so on.. We fight until the war is won!
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
everyone needs to understand also that prop-19 was a fork in the road.

We voted down conservative legalization for all but we didn't vote down large corporate factories for some!
DEA nods quietly in approval for Mega-Commercial operations


http://california2012.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=183&start=0

We will have to swing hard-left to get equality or we will find Cannabis is legal and all of us are out of the loop!

We will buy cannabis at the store and never have a pound in our garden come harvest time.

Prices will stay illegal-high and many will become canna-millionaires but the canna-poor will become canna-poorer.

I am a native California boy.. I demand economic equality!
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Then I have a bone to pick with you! I went to bluesky last week to buy some clones so I could fill out one of my trays and I'm informed that you guys stopped carrying cotton candy! Wtf? That shit was fire, yielded good with big buds and easy to grow. How do you guys get rid of that but keep "707 headband" (which btw isn't really 707 headband, everyone in Humboldt agrees with that), hindu kush, WW, etc?

You and everyone else at OU/Bluesky are fired!

I mean it worked out for me because I ended up getting pineapple express instead, but you guys had a real winner and let it go! Why?
lol... but I have NOTHING to do with anything except for the classes I teach. I am not in Oakland either. All that has nothing to do with me. :)
 
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