WAR!!!! North Korea fires artillery barrage on South, 'Intentional, planned attack'..

[Big P]

NKorea's military command vows 'merciless' military strike against SKorea...
Fires artillery onto island...
South denies seeking redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons...
Returns Fire...
May strike NKorea's missile base...
'Intentional, planned attack'...
Japan prepares for 'any eventuality'...
CHINA WATCHES...WHITE HOUSE CONDEMNS...
Russia Sees 'Colossal Danger'...
FLASHBACK: UK fears NKorean attack on Seoul G20 summit...



North Korea fires artillery barrage on South

AFP – A picture taken on November 23 by a South Korean tourist shows plumes of smoke rising from Yeonpyeong …

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by Jung Ha-Won Jung Ha-won – Tue Nov 23, 4:22 am ET

SEOUL (AFP) – North Korea fired dozens of artillery shells onto a South island on Tuesday, killing one person, setting homes ablaze and triggering an exchange of fire as the South's military went on top alert.

In what appeared to be one of the most serious border incidents since the 1950-53 war, South Korean troops fired back with cannon, the government convened in an underground war room and "multiple" air force jets scrambled.

The firing came after North Korea's disclosure of an apparently operational uranium enrichment programme -- a second potential way of building a nuclear bomb -- which is causing serious alarm for the United States and its allies.

Some 50 shells landed on the South Korean border island of Yeonpyeong near the tense Yellow Sea border, damaging dozens of houses and sending plumes of thick smoke into the air, YTN television reported.

One South Korean marine -- part of a contingent based permanently on the frontline island -- was killed and 13 other marines were wounded, the military said. YTN said two civilians were also hurt.

"A Class-A military alert issued for battle situations was imposed immediately after shelling began," a military spokesman said.
Sporadic firing by each side continued for over an hour before dying out, the military said.

The shelling began at 2:34 pm (0534 GMT) after the North sent several messages protesting about South Korean naval, air force and army training exercises being staged close to the border, a presidential spokesman said.

"Flashes along with a thunderous sound were seen here and there across our villages and up to 10 houses were engulfed in flames," said Woo Soo-Woo, 62, a guesthouse owner on the island.

The shooting started bushfires at several places in the hills, he told AFP by phone after fleeing the island by ferry for the mainland port of Incheon.
"Frightened villagers rushed to nearby shelters while others were busy running away and crowded the port to escape," Woo said, adding about 1,500-1,700 civilians live on the island.

"When I walked out, the whole village was on fire," another villager was quoted by Yonhap news agency as saying. "I'm at the evacuation site with other villagers and I am scared to death."

Yeonpyeong lies just south of the border declared by United Nations forces after the war, but north of the sea border declared by Pyongyang.
The Yellow Sea border was the scene of deadly naval clashes in 1999, 2002 and last November.

Tensions have been acute since the sinking of a South Korean warship in March, which Seoul says was the result of a North Korean torpedo attack. Pyongyang has rejected the charge.

South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak convened an emergency meeting of ministers and top advisers in an underground war room, a presidential spokesman said. He urged the officials "to prevent further escalation".

The firing comes after Kim Jong-Un, the little-known youngest son of ailing North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il, was officially recognised as his father's eventual successor.

"This is an intentional provocation to heighten cross-border tensions," Dongguk University professor Kim Yong-Hyun told AFP.

"The North made a series of gestures but there has been no response from South Korea and the United States. It is now using its brinkmanship aimed at forcing Seoul and Washington to take action and agree to dialogue."

Kim said the North would try to use the clash to promote solidarity among its people during the leadership succession.

"It is also sending a strong message to the United States and the international community that the peninsula urgently needs a peace regime."
A US special envoy headed to China Tuesday to seek its help in curbing North Korea's new nuclear project, revealed to US experts who described a sophisticated programme to enrich uranium.

Stephen Bosworth has also visited South Korea and Japan this week to discuss the disclosure, which US officials say would allow the isolated North to build new atomic bombs.

Bosworth, speaking in Tokyo, ruled out a resumption of stalled six-nation talks -- aimed at denuclearising the North in return for aid and other concessions -- while work continues on the enrichment drive.

China chairs the talks and is also the North's sole major ally and economic prop. It appealed for the six-party talks to resume after the new revelations, and expressed concern over Tuesday's cross-border firing. Russia also warned against an escalation of tensions on the peninsula.

 

[ganjaluvr]

Yep, I called it!!!!

I've been saying for the past year or so... that it would be just a matter of WHEN, not IF.

Sure enough, it has begun. Makes you think, if maybe the bible is correct about the end of days.

N. and S. Korea will go to war with each other.. its already started. Now, I'll sit back and watch.. to see what happens next.

Should be interesting.

peace.

 

[NOWitall]

yep.

were fucked.

cuz we just ran out of war, and we were already lookin for a new one.

but this is bad, if it goes down. well thisll be our first war with an actually armed nation (by that i mean a large standing army, an airforce, and a navy)

relativly decent weaponry, and a true beleife the west should fall.

yep, this is soooooo very bad.

 

[ANC]

Yep, I called it!!!!

I've been saying for the past year or so... that it would be just a matter of WHEN, not IF.

Sure enough, it has begun. Makes you think, if maybe the bible is correct about the end of days.

N. and S. Korea will go to war with each other.. its already started. Now, I'll sit back and watch.. to see what happens next.

Should be interesting.

peace.

[video=youtube;S1bkB1nShSU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1bkB1nShSU[/video]
This guyis not a professional presenter, so bear with him, and observe.

 

[bestbuds09]

this "North Korea fires artillery barrage on South" is a load of bullshit. This is another reason for the US to "help" S Korea to attack on the North and to be part of yet another war. Im pretty sure you remember about the boat incident that happened a few months ago. And about the nuclear program they have going on. this is just to put wood on the open fire pit to make matters more intense between the two sides and then turning it into a war between each other again. And then the US will step in to help out S korea. its the same story over and over and over where the fucking piece of shit news pumps it so big that thats all that will be spoken about to instigate even more. Soon enough we (USA) will focus our attention back to Iran and their supposedly nuclear "bombs" the same fucking lie they used in order for the dumb ass people that believed that Iraq had WMD as well but ended up having none.

 

[bestbuds09]

in my honest opinion for the human race is that it is time for us to repent. i know there's a lot of atheist out there that don't believe in the almighty but there are still people that believe that we came from the all mighty. So for those that still believe in GOD and the bible i say to you the time is near the signs are everywhere, its time to repent. Sorry i dont mean to preach but when i see this shit going on in the world i have to let people know that this is all written in the bible.

 

[Xrtnfx]

I'm not worried. This will blow over soon enough

 

[Serapis]

The US, along with the south, would smoke the North, but not until a lot of dead civilians. Along with the sinking of the cheynoan and the provocating missile launches and nuclear tests, and the new centrifigal plant, it is obvious that the north would like to be reunified by force. They'll keep stepping up the attacks until we have no choice but to retaliate.

 

[Big P]

ya iraq would have ended up nucleur eventually guys and everyone knows it

Iran will be nucleur, the admin has resigned itself to this fact

North korea is already nucleur and obama just snuck through a deal to outfit saudi arabia with 60Billion dollars of military equipment the largest sale ever in US history while congress was in recess, because he knows hes gonna let Iran go nuke and needs saudis to be the buffer


what happens if saudi arabia is toppled by Fanatical muslim group like Al queda? they become the new owners of most of the worlds oil and 60Billion worth of high tech US land air & sea weapons.


Barack Obama to authorise record $60bn Saudi arms sale

Biggest arms deal in US history will shore up a Gulf ally against Iran threat, but angers Tehran and worries Israel

The F-15 fighter: the US is to sell Saudi Arabia 84 F-15s new and upgrade another 70 as part of the $60bn deal Photograph: Usaf/Getty Images Barack Obama is to go ahead with plans to sell Saudi Arabia advanced aircraft and other weapons worth up to $60bn (£39bn), the biggest arms deal in US history, in a strategy of shoring up Gulf Arab allies to face any military threat from Iran.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the administration is also in talks with the Saudis about possible naval and missile-defence upgrades that could be worth tens of billions of dollars more over five to 10 years.
Plans to go ahead with the package, which has been under secret negotiation since 2007, have been known for some time and have raised angry objections from Iran and to a lesser extent from Israel, an even closer US ally which is anxious to maintain its strategic edge over any potential adversary in the Middle East.

In its notification to Congress, the administration will authorise the Saudis to buy as many as 84 new F-15 fighters, upgrade 70 more, and purchase three different types of helicopters – 70 Apaches, 72 Black Hawks and 36 Little Birds, the Wall Street Journal reported. The package would be subject to a review by Congress.
According to earlier reports, the administration has already decided out of deference to the Israelis not to sell Saudi Arabia so-called stand-off systems, advanced long-range weapons that can be attached to F-15s for use in offensive operations.

The US is the world's largest arms supplier and the Saudi deal alone is said to support up to 75,000 jobs, according to firms such as Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin and General Electric. Last year, despite a recession that hit global arms sales, the US increased its share to more than two-thirds of all foreign armaments deals, according to a congressional study.

In 2008, Saudi Arabia was the second biggest arms buyer in the developing world, spending $8.7bn, making it second only to the United Arab Emirates. Britain and France are also in intense competition to sell in this market.
US-Saudi ties suffered a serious dip after the 9/11 terrorist attacks exposed al-Qaida's Saudi background to ordinary Americans, but the military relationship is in good order. Analysts say the deal will significantly boost Saudi Arabia's ability to defend its airspace against aircraft and missiles, to undertake "very painful" deterrent strikes and to police coastal areas.

It will also lock Riyadh into a close military relationship with Washington for at least another 20 years. Questions about democracy, freedoms and human rights in the kingdom clearly have a lower priority than security issues.
The package is expected to win congressional approval with limited amendments, although probably not until after the 2 November mid-term elections. It is a striking reflection of a convergence between the strategic concerns of the US, Israel and conservative Arab states about Iran's nuclear ambitions and bid for regional influence.

Saudi Arabia has denied recent reports that it has secretly agreed to allow Israeli planes to pass through its airspace on the way to bomb nuclear sites in Iran.

 

[Serapis]

ya iraq would have ended up nucleur eventually guys and everyone knows it

Iran will be nucleur, the admin has resigned itself to this fact

North korea is already nucleur and obama just snuck through a deal to outfit saudi arabia with 60Billion dollars of military equipment the largest sale ever in US history while congress was in recess, because he knows hes gonna let Iran go nuke and needs saudis to be the buffer

It is wreckless and uneducated comments such as these that fuel hate for our current administration. If the poster actually knew what he was talking about, instead of copying and pasting news from the net, he would have known that congress has 30 days to block the sale. A president cannot approve an arms sale against congress' wishes, that's the law...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/21/us-congress-notified-arms-sale-saudi-arabia

What other mud and BS have ya got to hurl?

ROFLMAO.... the article that he posted, ends with this....

"The package is expected to win congressional approval with limited amendments, although probably not until after the 2 November mid-term elections. It is a striking reflection of a convergence between the strategic concerns of the US, Israel and conservative Arab states about Iran's nuclear ambitions and bid for regional influence."

Maybe the poster should read what he is posting before opining opinion and passing it as fact?

hmm...

 

[wiseguy316]

all depends what china does,,then we will start printing more money,, n korea has been poking folks in the eye for a while now. the big difference is they are not claiming they don't have weapons of mass destruction. said we have them not getting rid of them what are you going to do about it?

 

[Big P]

It is wreckless and uneducated comments such as these that fuel hate for our current administration. If the poster actually knew what he was talking about, instead of copying and pasting news from the net, he would have known that congress has 30 days to block the sale. A president cannot approve an arms sale against congress' wishes, that's the law...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/21/us-congress-notified-arms-sale-saudi-arabia

What other mud and BS have ya got to hurl?

ROFLMAO.... the article that he posted, ends with this....

"The package is expected to win congressional approval with limited amendments, although probably not until after the 2 November mid-term elections. It is a striking reflection of a convergence between the strategic concerns of the US, Israel and conservative Arab states about Iran's nuclear ambitions and bid for regional influence."

Maybe the poster should read what he is posting before opining opinion and passing it as fact?

hmm...

its not bs smart guy, talk about uneducated and how ignorent you are, he waited till the lame duct congress was in session right before the elections during and after during holiday recess heres one of your little buddies, democrat screeming bloody murder about the way this was done, so you can piss off


here you go big shot, try reading once in a while, this is even from ABC news:



Critics Slam Obama Administration for 'Hiding' Massive Saudi Arms Deal
Largest Arms Deal In U.S. History Pushed While Congress In Recess


Nov. 19, 2010

The Obama administration has quietly forged ahead
with its proposal to sell $60 billion worth of fighter
jets and attack helicopters to Saudi Arabia

unhampered by Congress, despite questions raised in
legislative inquiries and in an internal congressional
report about the wisdom of the deal.

The massive arms deal would be the single largest
sale of weapons to a foreign nation in the history of
the U.S., outfitting Saudi Arabia with a fully
modernized, potent new air force.

"Our six-decade-long security relationship with Saudi
Arabia is a primary security pillar in the region,"
Defense Sec. Robert M. Gates and Secretary of State
Hillary Rodham Clinton wrote in a Nov. 16 letter to
congress. "This package continues that tradition."

But some critics are questioning the deal, and the
stealthy effort by the Obama administration to avoid a
more probing congressional review by notifying
Congress last month, just as members were headed
home for the November elections. Congress had 30
days to raise objections -- a review period that
concludes Saturday. With most members leaving
Washington today, any significant effort to block the
deal appears dead for now, officials said.

"I do not think there will be any action" to hold up the
sale, Rep. Howard Berman, the chairman of the House
Foreign Affairs Committee, told Bloomberg News
Thursday.

DEMOCRAT Rep. Anthony Weiner, a New York Democrat,
submitted a resolution this week to try and block the
deal, and was among those who objected to the way
the administration approached the required
congressional review.

"Hiding this in a recess announcement is a sign of
how unpopular it is," he said. "It's bad policy that now
is further tainted by shameful process."

Clinton: Saudis Helped Thwart Cargo Bomb Plot



The Obama administration has touted the deal as a
boon for American jobs, and as a move to solidify
the alliance between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia at a
time when American intelligence is dependent on
the Islamic nation for help in the war on terror.
Earlier this month, it was a tip from Saudi
intelligence that helped foil an al Qaeda plot to hide
a bomb in a desktop printer aboard a UPS cargo
plane.

The arrangement would ship 84 F-15 fighter jets
and more than 175 attack helicopters to the Saudis
over the next 15 years. The choppers, in particular,
would "bolster Saudi Arabia's counterterrorism
capabilities," Gates and Clinton wrote in their letter
this week to congressional leaders.

Missouri Sen. Kit Bond, a Republican who will soon
retire as his party's ranking member of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, supports the arms sale, and
told ABC News that the Saudis offered ample
evidence of the value of the alliance when they
provided tracking numbers for the parcels that
contained the concealed bombs.

"If any of my colleagues have doubt that they can be
friendly, I suppose this would send a strong signal
that they can be friendly," Bond said. Gates and
Clinton also touted Saudi Arabia's "significant"

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ZING!!!!!!!!

 

[Serapis]

How is the administration hiding the deal when congress has 30 days from notification to block it? The people you are quoting are Republicans, slingin mud and as much misinformation as you are doing. They have 30 days to block the sale, regardless of what dribble you put forth.

It may be big news in the Netherlands, but MSNBC and CNN aren't even giving it a mention. Any resistance from Reps is siply politics. They love weapons sales, even illegal ones like the old Iran-contra deals....

 

[Big P]

once again if you read the above its democrat who is pissed about it and the one who I am quoting not republican.


Im sure most republicans wanna sell the weps to Saudi Arabia. MSNBC? seriously you must be joking, those guys are just the administrations mouthpiece man


Iran contra? you still livin in the hippie past

 

[Serapis]

And FOX news is unbiased? ROFL

 

[Big P]

i didnt even metion fox news and the story I linked was from ABC news. everyone knows Fox news leans right and cnn leans left, and MSNBC and NBC fell off the cliff and are basically a government news agency for this administration like NPR



in my personal opinion Obama betrayed more than 50% of the people that voted for him and that is why they all have dropped him like a bad habit


hell he even betrayed the pots heads


Top U.S. lawman opposes California marijuana bill


ress, state, local offices Thu, Oct 14 2010

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder discusses an antitrust issue against credit card companies at the U.S. Justice Department in Washington, October 4, 2010.
Credit: Reuters/Larry Downing


By Steve Gorman
LOS ANGELES | Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:39pm EDT

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder says federal authorities will continue to prosecute individuals for possession of marijuana in California even if voters there approve a ballot measure legalizing recreational use of the drug.

The Obama administration "strongly opposes" Proposition 19, Holder wrote in a toughly worded letter to former heads of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration who had written to him expressing "grave concern" about the measure.
Passage of Prop 19 "will greatly complicate federal drug enforcement efforts to the detriment of our citizens," Holder wrote in the October 13 letter obtained by Reuters on Friday.

"Accordingly, we will vigorously enforce the (Controlled Substances Act) against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," he said.

The tone and substance of the letter seemed at odds with a policy shift announced by the administration a year ago in its approach to medical marijuana, which California became the first U.S. state to decriminalize in 1996.
Reversing the position taken by the Justice Department under President George W. Bush, the Obama administration said last October that federal attorneys would no longer prosecute patients who use pot, or dispensaries that distribute it, for medical reasons in states where it has been legalized.

In his letter to nine former DEA administrators, Holder said Proposition 19 language barring "state and local law enforcement from seizing marijuana that is in compliance with state law" would impede efforts to "target drug traffickers who frequently distribute marijuana alongside cocaine and other controlled substances."

The Justice Department is considering "all available legal and policy options" should the measure win enactment, he added. The issue could very well end up moot. A Reuters/Ipos poll on October 5 showed California voters leaning against the measure, 53 percent to 43 percent.

If passed, California would become the first state to legalize simple possession of an ounce or less of marijuana for anyone 21 or older. It would also be lawful to grow limited amounts of cannabis in one's own home for personal use.
While pot sales would not be legalized outright, cities and counties could pass their own laws permitting commercial distribution subject to local regulations and taxes.

Stephen Gutwillig, California director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which backs Proposition 19, called Holder's comments political posturing, adding that 95 percent of all U.S. marijuana arrests are made by state and local authorities.
"The federal government may criminalize marijuana, but it can't force states to do so, and it can't require states to enforce federal law," he said in a statement.

 

[ANC]

democracy by deception is not worth it.

 

[Serapis]

ROFL.... ya gotta love Spin.... Obama promised that if elected, he would instruct the DEA to stop raiding legal dispensaries and grows. Except for assisting local law enforcement in a few instances, that promise has been kept. Regardless of Eric Holder's personal feelings, he serves at the President's will. Obama has kept many of his promises. There is even a website that tracks them.... So now anyone that doesn't agree with the Republican mantra is an administration mouthpiece? You are cracking me up!

 

[ANC]

got ya with the old bait and switch

 

[poonjoon]

damnnn crazy shit....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh