is this a good soil recipe???

[LeeroySlim]

got this form a website, does anyone have anything better?

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
1 tsp fritted trace elements
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings

 

[Auzzie07]

Looks like a very well-balanced recipe to me.

 

[OB 1]

I've not heard of "fritted trace elements"... is that something like Ironite? Besides that, looks good.

 

[Auzzie07]

I've not heard of "fritted trace elements"... is that something like Ironite? Besides that, looks good.

It's another form of Silica I believe.

 

[cowboylogic]

No worm castings? They are key to a good organic mix. May also want to add some rock phosphate. Additional perlite would also be beneficial. And remember mixing a full batch that size. Mix, mix, mix. Rest then mix some more! You dont want a hotspot messing with your grow.
EDIT my bad, i see them at the bottom of the list.

 

[cowboylogic]

Also Fafards C-1P mix is an awsum base. 80% peat 20% perlite. Nothing else added, nice nuetral start. Very clean mix. Never a bug. I just love it.

 

[OB 1]

Also Fafards C-1P mix is an awsum base. 80% peat 20% perlite. Nothing else added, nice nuetral start. Very clean mix. Never a bug. I just love it.

I've used something like that, but you have to use hydro nutes or another complete fertilizer if you're not going to add the micros.

 

[cowboylogic]

I've used something like that, but you have to use hydro nutes or another complete fertilizer if you're not going to add the micros.

He is doing his own mix. Check out the first post, he will be adding the needed amendments to the mix. But a good point if you are growing in a neutral medium. This mix (C-1P w/o amendments) you would basically feed the same as you would a coco. Edit: you would still want to add dolomite to the C-1P to keep the peat from becoming to acidic during the grow.

 

[OB 1]

He is doing his own mix. Check out the first post, he will be adding the needed amendments to the mix. But a good point if you are growing in a neutral medium. This mix (C-1P w/o amendments) you would basically feed the same as you would a coco. Edit: you would still want to add dolomite to the C-1P to keep the peat from becoming to acidic during the grow.

That's something I've been thinking about - just started growing with coco, though it's going to be tomatoes this winter since I have a security risk from the owner of 420 magazine... but I digress.

What I was thinking was would peat eliminate the need for PH down in a hempy bucket using Osmocote Plus CRF as the only ferts. I'm going to run one bucket all peat and perlite, and the other all coco and perlite, and see what happens.

 

[cowboylogic]

Peat will not work in a hempy. Its wicking ability precludes its use, pythium would follow soon. Even with coco its a balancing act in a hempy. Also I dont think osmocote will work in hempy. Dont get me wrong, I love Osmocotes slow release but in a hempy grow that would be counter productive. IMO the purpose of a hempy grow is pushing the limits with controlled, precise feedings bridging the gap between soil and hydro.

 

[OB 1]

Peat will not work in a hempy. Its wicking ability precludes its use, pythium would follow soon. Even with coco its a balancing act in a hempy. Also I dont think osmocote will work in hempy. Dont get me wrong, I love Osmocotes slow release but in a hempy grow that would be counter productive. IMO the purpose of a hempy grow is pushing the limits with controlled, precise feedings bridging the gap between soil and hydro.

Well, I hate to prove you wrong... and I can't link to the grows on 420 mag that would... but OC+ works GREAT in hempy. Just look up Irishboy, DocBud, and Setting Sun.

My grow was severely neglected... but it ain't bad:

 

[cowboylogic]

Aint great either. Lots of nute burn, nitrogen toxcitiy and even ph issues. If you are happy thats cool. But no doubt in my mind all of the previously stated conditions are the results from a lack of control over the nutes. Your pic actually comfirmed why you would NOT want to use osmocote in a hempy.

 

[OB 1]

Lots of nute burn, nitrogen toxcitiy and even ph issues. If you are happy thats cool. But no doubt in my mind all of the previously stated conditions are the results from a lack of control over the nutes. Your pic actually comfirmed why you wouldnt NOT want to use osmocote in a hempy.

It does have a learning curve, and good analysis of what's going on... + reps... the nute burn was my fault for trying to add additional flower nutes, and got lockouts from trying to use tap with too much sodium... then I screwed up with too much PH down due to not calibrating my meter.

Seriously, once you have it dialed in... the results are amazing and cheap. My mistake was only using perlite... the guys who have had the most success use perlite on the bottom, and a coco perlite mix up top.

 

[cowboylogic]

Just the perlite alone on the bottom would def help deal with wicking issues. I think you are on the hybrid trail, start a journal, I'll 'scribe. Not to bash but to learn and share. Good luck and sorry OP for jacking your thread.

 

[cowboylogic]

Seriously, once you have it dialed in... the results are amazing and cheap. My mistake was only using perlite... the guys who have had the most success use perlite on the bottom, and a coco perlite mix up top.

My guess tuning would come from when you water from the top, releasing nutes to the res. And when too just water the pit, interesting concept.

 

[OB 1]

My guess tuning would come from when you water from the top, releasing nutes to the res. And when too just water the pit, interesting concept.

I'll start a thread somewhere to share what I know about it... sorry again for hijacking this one.

 

[cowboylogic]

here ya go if you wish. may be the drone you are looking for! and me too.....

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/386929-has-hempy-evolved.html#post4941843

 

[woodsmaneh!]

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source (I would skip this)
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering ( only use this if your aging it for 3 months, it's a hot fertilizer and will burn your roots. Most Bags say apply in the fall.)
1 tsp fritted trace elements
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings

I would cut the Promix in 1/2 and add coco for the other 1/2
I would also add a bag of cow compost

Looks great

 

[Auzzie07]

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source (I would skip this)
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering ( only use this if your aging it for 3 months, it's a hot fertilizer and will burn your roots. Most Bags say apply in the fall.)
1 tsp fritted trace elements
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings

I would cut the Promix in 1/2 and add coco for the other 1/2
I would also add a bag of cow compost

Looks great

He's absolutely right about the lime. I had to ditch my best looking girl because Mg deficiency killed her in a week because of the lime. And without the lime, there's no need for the epsom salts. Cal-Mag issues are best solved when the come about, rather than before the issue.

 

[irishboy]

Aint great either. Lots of nute burn, nitrogen toxcitiy and even ph issues. If you are happy thats cool. But no doubt in my mind all of the previously stated conditions are the results from a lack of control over the nutes. Your pic actually comfirmed why you would NOT want to use osmocote in a hempy.

you couldn't be more wrong my friend. OC+ works great in hempy trust me. peat moss also works great as long as u put 4" or perlite in the bottom res. i used sun shine #4 in my hepy and worked great for me with TRF's like OC+. also my temps were 100F+ the whole grow so if that wont give u rot then i dont know what will. never any rot on my roots. i will say the dynamite red gave some big buds but you need to add cal/mag. theirs a elite few that have been testing OC+ and DM for cannabis and all have successful grows including me with it in Hempy. i decided to test out 3 different TRF on my last grow in hempy.