Shutn up about kush

theexpress

theexpress

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i smoke like a 1/4 oz a day man!!!! of the highest grade nugget... get you some old guys.... lets have that toke off!!!


lol!!!!!!!!!!!
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way 'round.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
I been bad; I been good,
Dallas, Texas, Hollywood.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
Take me back, way back home,
not by myself, not alone.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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guy incognito said:
I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way 'round.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
I been bad; I been good,
Dallas, Texas, Hollywood.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
Take me back, way back home,
not by myself, not alone.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some kush.
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nice twist on "Tush" :)
 
Jefferstone

Jefferstone

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Wow these threads go downhill fast.

Anyway...I think it's better now because I believe it to be so isn't much of an argument.

If you weren't there, you can't compare.
 
Meetwad

Meetwad

Member
To: theexpress or as you shall be called henceforth "The Christopher Columbus of Cannabis!!!!"


You are just RE-discovering something that has been around since the Dinosaurs & before.

You can have fun imagining that all people did was smoke rope "back in the day" if it makes you feel better about yourself but it is far,far,far... from the truth.

You weren't the first to smoke the Buddha & guaranteed you won't be the last!!!

Watch History of the World by Mel Brooks for a great scene with Gregory Hines about weed or the movie Caveman with Ringo Starr!!!

Then go & be a true pioneer & discover something that hasn't been found yet...like your humility!


Those who do not heed the lessons that history has to teach are doomed to repeat them!!
 
Jefferstone

Jefferstone

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theexpress said:
i smoke like a 1/4 oz a day man!!!! of the highest grade nugget... get you some old guys.... lets have that toke off!!!


lol!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is a homeless guy downtown near where I work. He drinks about a fifth of bourbon each day. I wouldn't trust his opinion on whiskey either.
 
berrytastic

berrytastic

Member
Kushage is my personal favorite. It's Sage x O.G. Kush and it's got a flavor and high out of this world. I saved 5 joins for 4 months to smoke it during the Dave Matthews Show at Bonnaroo. If you get super blitzed on it then yeah it'll make you want to sit down but if you don't go to far then you do get a very cerebral high.
 
potpimp

potpimp

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The myth that pot somehow increased in potency is an outright lie and anyone that believes that lie is an idiot. The first LAW of thermodynamics states that "The universe is tending to disorder, rather than disorder." That is pure science; things do not "get better"; they get worse - period. If you throw a piece of stainless steel out into the elements, it breaks down into iron, carbon, nickel, chromium, etc; it does not "evolve" into titanium. Even if you believe in this miracle of evolution whereby, through breeding a plant with 12% and one with 16%, how does that make one with 22% - or even 17%. It doesn't; by all logic it would yield 16% at best and more likely 14%. Argue all you want; I know the truth. BTW, if you can smoke 1/4 zip a day, it's ragweed; you could not smoke 1/4 zip a week of some of the sativas "back in the day". I have a theory: Pot was not trimmed "back in the day" the way it is today - very closely. So, if they were counting all the sweet leaf, rather than just the pure flowers, it could indeed skew the results.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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Jefferstone said:
There is a homeless guy downtown near where I work. He drinks about a fifth of bourbon each day. I wouldn't trust his opinion on whiskey either.
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lol that is fucking funny... lololol

and you know we drink johnnie walker blue lable if were gonna be drinking whiskey.........

but i much prefer cognac........ remy martin, or martel is the poison of choice!!!! along with a lil sourkush bubba pheno......
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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look "potpimp" i accept your geriatric nature. i do. BUT WHEN YOU START BRINGING PHYSICS INTO GROWING A PLANT IM GONNA TELL YOU. WHO'S THE FUCKING IDIOT SIR. STEEL IS AN ELEMENT FOR ONE. NOT A COMPLEX STRUCTURE OF AMINO ACIDS AND CERTAIN LIPIDS. THAT EVOLVE INTO A LIVING BREATHING ORGANISM. AN ELEMENT IS AN ELEMENT NOT AN ORGANISM. LET'S SET A BASELINE THERE OK. FROM THERE WE PROCEED TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT GENETIC ORGANISMS CAN AND DO TEND TO EVOLVE WITH MILLIONS. EVEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS. ESPECIALLY WHEN AN INTELLIGENT RACE aka HUMANS START TO UNDERSTAND THE SCIENCE OF PLANTS LET ALONE THE BREEDING AND HORTICULTURE OF PLANTS. SO "BUZZ" OFF YOU DUDE WITH YOUR THERMO DYNAMICS. IT HAS ABSO FUCKING LUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PLANTS. YOU JUST POSTED THAT SHIT AND DECLARED YOURSELF AN IDIOT. I ACED PHYSICS BRO. WITH FLYING COLORS. IN NINTH GRADE. IN AN EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL THAT TAUGHT COLLEGE LEVEL PHYSICS. I DONT NEED A 60+ YEAR TO TELL ME HOW TO GROW A PLANT. YOUR OLD WEED. WAS JUST THAT. "OLD WEED." WE AND LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO EMBRACE THE PLANTS GROWING AND EVOLVING NATURE WHILE YOU STICK IN YOUR CRAZY WORLD OF GROWING PLANTS WITH THERMODYNAMICS INVOLVED. MMKAY?? THANKS
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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I too have a theory... That pot pimp might be a little to geriatric for chronic and got stuck on schwag his whole life and knows nothing more. Well potpimp. Let me be the first to inform you... We have chronic now.
 
LouisXIII

LouisXIII

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Brick Top said:
This came directly from a federal DEA agent who was my cousin's neighbor. We were talking pot potency and I said, like you, how much more potent pot had become. He laughed his ass off and said it was all smoke and mirrors that began with ignorance and when realized turned out to be a way to possibly keep pot illegal for many decades if not forever.

In the 60's when THC level testing was done select trichome heads were chosen and everything in them, the organelles inside the heads, called vacuoles, the phenols, another type of organelle called plastids that contain hydrocarbons called terpenes, along with everything else and of course all cannibinoids were combined. THC was extracted and it's percentage was in relation to that very large number of very differing substances and glands and plant matter.

Pot was seen as a soft drug and it appeared as if it were on its way to legalization and of course the DES did not want that. It would mean fewer jobs and budgetary cutbacks. Things that no DEA employee wanted. Around that time research showed that only cannabinoids mattered and when only they were combined and the THC extracted suddenly THC turned out to be a much higher percentage.

Think about it, consider simple math. If you have 1 thing that is part of say 100 things and then you make that 1 thing part of 20 things the 1 thing's percentage appears to be much higher, right? The actual amount, the actual potency did not have to change, you only had to factor out 80 different things that by that point were found to be superfluous.

The result was the DEA could suddenly claim pot was massively more potent and could now actually be considered to possibly be a dangerous drug and what's more is they could lay claim to it no longer being the soft drug that it had been seen. They could claim it should be categorized as being a hard drug or at least close enough to be a hard drug that the fight against it desperately needed to be intensified meaning more DEA agents, rather than fewer, and increased funding, rather than decreased funding.

Pot did not become significantly more potent. The testing procedure to rate levels of THC was altered, much of what had been involved in testing in the past was factored out giving a false reading, a non-existent major increase in potency.

The news was spread, the media jumped all over it, government officials did not question the sudden increase and instantly accepted it, as did the ignorant public, especially those tokers who wanted and needed to believe that they were now blessed with being able to smoke the most potent cannabis ever.

Some individual LEO agencies took it to the extreme and found was to make test results even higher. One Canadian agency tested confiscated pot after a bust and managed to come up with potency levels that were 700% higher than those of the 60's and 70's.

My cousins DEA buddy said it was the best fraud put over on the people ever .. and people like you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

It was not an easy sell to those of us who toked since the 60's. We personally experienced the strains that you have only heard names of and who have been told potency levels of that were the results of a totally different testing procedure that is the same were applied to strains of today would result in very similar potency levels.

Go ahead and believe whatever it is you need to believe to feel happy and to feel lucky and to feel what you smoke today is superior to that of the past ... but you are only fooling yourself just as the DEA fooled the nation and the world.

You asked why those old school strains are not distributed today. There are several reasons to that. In the case of most high grade Mexican strains that were grown commercially ignorant farmers, that is what they were, farmers, not breeders, heard of indica strains that produced heavier and had shorter flowering periods so the ignorant farmers crossed their high grade sativas with the low potency indicas and the era of the over-dry Mexican brick-weed began. They destroyed their pure strains in an insane quest for increased profits that only destroyed their products resulting in lowered demand and lowered profits.

As I mentioned before, if you go through the list if High Times Cannabis Cup Winners, that is 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners, most have at least one pure landrace sativa in them, many from Mexico, and a goodly number of them have two or more pure landrace sativas in them.

Breeders knew that high octane was found in pure landrace sativas of the era but it was not like every breeder could travel to Vietnam, in the middle of a war, or Laos or most other countries and fill bags of seeds or attempt to bring back plants to them use for breeding. Many were lucky if they were able to get one make plant or one female plant and they were not abut to share their pot of gold with another breeder who had the opposite sex plant of the same strain.

Something else that went hand in hand with that, not releasing pure landrace strains, is 'The Dutch Master's had highly priofited from the new form of THC level testing. It appeared as if their efforts and their efforts alone were responsible foe the advent of wunder-weed. If they did release old school pure landrace genetics and people found that they were just as good, and in some cases much better, than the work of 'The Dutch Masters' 'The Dutch Masters" cover would have been blown and their massive egos shattered and they would become the laughing stock of the ganja world.

Some early purest breeders who knew they were working with the best, like the 'Haze Brothers' were begged by 'The Dutch Masters' to share their genetics with them. The 'Haze Brothers' did not trust 'The Dutch Masters' and were positive they would destroy the purity of any strains they shared by crossing them will low potency high resin production indicas, so the 'Haze Brothers' were nice and did share some genetics, but they kept the very best of their genetics for themselves to keep it pure, to retain its natural integrity and maximum potency. Neville's Haze sprang from from strains shared by the 'Haze Brothers' but even as good as Neville's Haze is, at least the original Neville's Haze anyway, it would have been better if the 'Haze Brothers' had trusted those they would share their genetics with, and even with Neville being Australian to the 'Haze Brothers' he was another breeder out to make a name for himself and a fast buck. Personally in the case of Neville I believe they judged him incorrectly, but what they believed about him was 100% accurate about most other breeders of the era, and it is doubly true of the latest crop of breeders that have sprung up in the last half decade or decade.

I wold not be at all surprised if not so much as one single person here believes a single word of how THC potency testing procedure was altered but I can clearly remember the smile on the DEA guys face and his laughter as he tipped his bottle of beer up and down taking sips while telling me about how they put a big whopper over on the entire world and completely fooled everyone.

So now all there is for the puppies of today to go on are test results, that were obtained through a very different testing procedure, and also in most cases i the 60's and 70's performed on cannabis that was confiscated in the most major of all busts that was normally lower grade commercial strains to begin with. That resulted in false low potency ratings to now be compared to the false much higher test results obtained by factoring out much of what had in the past been part of the tests, and also testing the highest grade strains confiscated resulting in an even larger/higher disparity of facts by ending up with potency levels that only appeared, through smoke and mirrors testing, to have gone through the roof.

LEO even learned how light and temperature and humidity would affect THC levels and while in the past massive amounts of cannabis would be stored, sometimes for long periods of time, in government warehouses that were hot and the cannabis was exposed to not only heat but also air and light and by the time testing was performed on a particular batch of confiscated pot, sometimes months or even years later, THC levels would naturally have deteriorated, and in doing so even further lowering potency results. Now confiscated pot is kept in conditions to preserve its potency and tests are performed as soon as possible, not allowing for time and heat and air and light to degrade the THC in the confiscated cannabis so along with the different testing procedure the potency results can incorrectly appear to be uber-high, like the Canadian test that showed the pot they confiscated was 700% more potent than pot of the 60's and the 70's.

When it comes to how potent pot from 'the olden days' was, you puppies know dick.

A small bit from the piece about the 700% more potent pot.

Here's a small bit about how the test results of confiscated and stored cannabis can and will vary and cannot be trusted to be accurate.

When breeders have their strains tested they have multiple tests run on multiple plants using differing test procedures in a search for the highest possible test results. Whatever comes out the highest it used as the official THC level/potency claim to help sell the strain to the suckers.

At least a few breeders are at least semi-honest. An example is Sannies Seeds description of Herijuana where is says; "THC: up to 25%." Notice the "up to" part? That means what you get might be 17% or 19% or maybe 12%, but they did find at least one single test result using one testing procedure that hit 25%, hence "THC: up to 25%."

Some breeders are even more honest and they will not make a THC potency claim. They know they are not valid and they let the smokers decide for themselves if the strains are potent or not, and if potent, potent enough for the smoker to continue purchasing their gear or not.

But the puppies of today hang on every dubious claim of high THC levels like they were carved in stone and handed down from the mountaintops and they also desperately cling to the fallacy of pot from the past being of low quality, having extremely low levels of THC in relation to the wunder-strains of today, the alleged results of 'The Dutch Masters,' and tell themselves that they get to smoke pot that is vastly more potent than anything from the past because they want and need to believe what they now smoke is far better than anything that anyone who came before them were lucky enough to smoke.

As P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute" and today's puppies are the biggest suckers to ever walk the face of the planet.
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Bricktop, No disrespect here and I love your spirit. However, you have made some good and bad points. Cannabis has increased in potency and it isn't a DEA conspiracy. I can speak from experience because an immediate family member is a retired DEA agent. He doesn't feel cannabis should be totally legal, but does believe it should be decriminalized. He claims that when he first started working for the DEA the cannabis they were seizing was stringy, grassy, and nothing like what they see today. Statistically speaking, the THC content in the modern day cannabis is considerably higher than the older counterparts. I will agree that certainly some of you may have had your hands on some very potent strains in the 60's and 70's and these strains have then been cultivated and used in breeding projects to make the stuff we see today. The truth is that the average cannabis found in the states was of lower quality in the 60's and 70's . Today the average of Quality cannabis is considerably higher in the States as compared to what you may have had in the 60's,70's, 80's and 90's. You were just one of the lucky smokers. Also, science has made huge advancements in 50yrs. I am a Botanist and have witnessed this first hand.
 
DaLeftHandMan

DaLeftHandMan

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ofcourse pot has gotten stronger and more potent over the years..lol..what would make someone think that it hadnt or couldnt? people plants animals and such, lifeforms, evolve! thats our nature!~ to grow change and becopme stronger! and thusly we carry that into other parts of life and other lifeforms! thats just simple theory and off the top of my head here folks..lol.but ya..if it hadnt gotten better what the HELL have we been doing for all these years?! lol
 
puffntuff

puffntuff

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It's gotten stronger and that's a fact. Like what dude said some of you oldies prolly smoked on some dank Thai stick etc. But it seems like the younger cats like indica and oldies like sativa. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer a 60/40 hybrid with sativa being the majority.
 
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