-Journal- 1st grow with cfl's and Bagseed!

TFizz

TFizz

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alright i'll see if i can buy some worm castings, any place you would recommend looking 1st? i havent used any fertilizers really, or any nutrients, maybe that's why. i think my watering isent that bad, every 2-3 days, i'll feel the soil an inch or 2 down, and if its dry i'll water. i water with bottled water, although i hear it can still fuck up your ph. i hope it's not a bad ph issue. Only the lower branches are seeming to be effected, although it's moving i think. the 1st little flapps, like the ones right when then sprout turned yellow and bad 1st, then the other lower brances, would slowly turn yellow and get all dry and crumble. The top of the plants seem to be doing fine tho, they grow green and look happy as ever. i'll update sometime in the next few days, hopefully going to figure this out, thanks for the help so far.

anyone else with info that could help plz, 1st grow and if it fails that would be a buzzkill.....
 
TFizz

TFizz

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ohh, and about watering again, you can see the size of these pots, and where the soil is, i water all 3 plants with a little more then 1/2 of a bottled water, they is always a little run off on each plant. i water them every 3 days, (used to be 2) does that seem like a good amount of water? too much? too little?
 
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McFonz

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I don't know US shops but it should be fairly common. All big nurseries should have it and I guess home depot and lowes have it as well.
You can also order it online if you run into issues.


As for the watering:
Just lift you'r pots before watering - if they are very light, water until there's a runoff. If they seem to have some water in them - don't water.
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They can need water every second day for a week and then stay fine for a week. Its up to humidity, temps, water and nutrients uptake and all that shit, and those parameters change all the time.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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ohh that sucks, do you remember what you were trying to say at all? thanks for the effort atleast haha
 
TFizz

TFizz

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how does that occur? it never gets above 80 in there, but it has dropped to about 68, is that bad?
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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Ok so you have never fed the plants right? You are using miracle grow soil- which would have gave you enough food for a few weeks. Even tho i dont recognize a deficiency in your plants, it is about time they eat a little (maybe a 1/4 strength?).

What is that on the top soil? Is it this same stuff throughout the whole pot? Your pot should be damp but not dry and not soaking wet (unless you just watered) healthy plants will drink but as Mcfonz said, these parameters can and will change.

What is the lighting cycle (on and off)? Looks like you are trying to use the sun also, I am getting less than 12 hours of sun around here. Using the sun would be a disadvantage for me (and possibly you) since we are both trying to veg and anything under 12 hours will signal flowering. It may prove to be a supplement if cfls are allowed to remain on after the sun has set. I have felt sun shining through a window seal and it can be quiet hot some times...be sure this isnt the case. Can it be they arent getting sufficient amounts of light? What is the distance from bottom of bulb to top of plant?

Another thing i can think of is....are those bottle waters opened and then left to sit? This can change the ph of the water. Even if they arent sitting they still have a ph and it could very well be outside of the range. My tap water is always in a safe range but can become unsafe after adding nutrients/additives. A ph around 6.5 is ideal for soil. Although you should be able to sway from 5.5 to 7.5 without any major problems, ive attached a ph chart...take a look at that. So now what? Go and get something to measure ph. Lots of us around here have invested in ph pens, they cost around 15-20 bux on ebay (search milwaukee ph pen). Another cheaper and less accurate option would be to buy the droplets from a petstore. They can be found in the fish section and are used to check ph of fish tanks. This is better than nothing and i advise you go get something of the sort. Just to be safe. Vinegar (lower) and baking powder (raise) can be used to lower and raise ph.

Can you describe or measure the humidity?

Dont let the dead leafs stay on the plants, remove them and observe them. I dont remove any leaves that still have green in them...green means they are still working. Yours are yellow and i advise removing them with scissors, gently. Analyze the top and bottom of the leaves and toss em. They do not contain thc and should not be saved.

If ya really want to get down to the bottom of this...fill this out

SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
 
TFizz

TFizz

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Thanks for that reply man, before i fill in the chart i'll answer any questions you had above.

They are in MG ORGANIC. not straight mg.
They only get light from 4 cfl's all are 6500k, no sun light at all. 18/6
when i need to water i usually will open a new bottle.

I had them pretty close to the lights before, but then i dropped them due to size, 2 of them seemed a bit short, so i wanted to raise them up a bit. If you think they would be better off as close to the light as possible i'll move them back.

side note about water. i live in a pretty nice area and have city water from lake Michigan. it's not well water or anything. maybe that would be better?

another side note about the soil and nutrients. it's organic soil so i dont THINK it has anything in it. i found some mg powder mix around the house 15-30-15 and filled a bottle with it. I only used it once. If you think it would be a good idea to give them a little food, what would you recommended about how to do it? any specific amount? or just poor a little around the base of the stem? I'm new and want to make sure i know how to do it before i fuck it up.

Humidity should be fine, only 3 big plants in there with 2 fans. it keeps pretty cool, and i have never noticed it being stuffy in there. could that be a problem tho? should i try to bring the humidity up?

i'll head to the pet store and get one of those meters next time i'm around there. thanks for the help. ima fill out the other thing now.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on? A week maybe a bit longer
What STRAIN are you growing?Bagseed
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)seed
What is the age of your plants?3 and 1/2 weeks
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?since seed
How Tall are the plants?it ranges, the 2 tallest ones maybe 5-6 inches
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?Veg
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)None as of now
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)They are in a decently big tub-aware container look at the pics
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)MG organic
What Nutrient's are you using?None, soon to use MG 15-30-15
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?soon to be strips
How often are you watering?every 3 days
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using? 26 watt 6500k
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)not sure, should be pretty low tho
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)80 with lights and my room's space heater on. 68-70 at night
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)2 fans one intake one outake
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?i have both running 24/7
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?Not really
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?no
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?Bottled water
Are you using water from a water softener? nope
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?nope
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?none
Are plant's infected with pest's?i dont think so, when i planted my 1st plant, about 2 days in i saw ONE bug, killed the fuck outta it, and haven't seen once since.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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i decided to tighten up my setup a bit, got the plants as close to the light as i could, moved the lights around for more even light too. now i have 4 26 watt 6500k cfl's running off 2 y's and 1 26 watt 2700k running off of a desk lamp that i managed to fit in there, i pretty much have it right over my smallest plant. (not in picture, but i found another adapter and i put another 26 watt 2700k in the middle of the power strip.

i dont think you can see in the pic, but i took your advise and cut off the dead parts of the leaves, mostly the tips were dead so i only cut off the sick part. CIMG3931.jpg
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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TFizz said:
Thanks for that reply man, before i fill in the chart i'll answer any questions you had above.

They are in MG ORGANIC. not straight mg.
They only get light from 4 cfl's all are 6500k, no sun light at all. 18/6
when i need to water i usually will open a new bottle.

I had them pretty close to the lights before, but then i dropped them due to size, 2 of them seemed a bit short, so i wanted to raise them up a bit. If you think they would be better off as close to the light as possible i'll move them back.

side note about water. i live in a pretty nice area and have city water from lake Michigan. it's not well water or anything. maybe that would be better?

another side note about the soil and nutrients. it's organic soil so i dont THINK it has anything in it. i found some mg powder mix around the house 15-30-15 and filled a bottle with it. I only used it once. If you think it would be a good idea to give them a little food, what would you recommended about how to do it? any specific amount? or just poor a little around the base of the stem? I'm new and want to make sure i know how to do it before i fuck it up.

Humidity should be fine, only 3 big plants in there with 2 fans. it keeps pretty cool, and i have never noticed it being stuffy in there. could that be a problem tho? should i try to bring the humidity up?

i'll head to the pet store and get one of those meters next time i'm around there. thanks for the help. ima fill out the other thing now.
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the pet store wont have the meter, ebay will. at the pet store, it is a liquid that you drop in a vial and it gives you a color...you then match the color to a chart that references ph of water. everything seems fine...are you exchanging air? you need to have a way for air to come in and air to go out. if you dont, you are suffocating them, they need an exchange of co2 to breath. how long ago did you give the nutrients? how many times have you watered with plain water since then? when you did feed, did you follow the directions on the back? i need a rough idea of how much you used compared to manufacturers recommendation.
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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TFizz said:
i decided to tighten up my setup a bit, got the plants as close to the light as i could, moved the lights around for more even light too. now i have 4 26 watt 6500k cfl's running off 2 y's and 1 26 watt 2700k running off of a desk lamp that i managed to fit in there, i pretty much have it right over my smallest plant. (not in picture, but i found another adapter and i put another 26 watt 2700k in the middle of the power strip.

i dont think you can see in the pic, but i took your advise and cut off the dead parts of the leaves, mostly the tips were dead so i only cut off the sick part. View attachment 1297960
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that is the highest i would run those lights, how high were they before? just make sure the heat wont get to them, they are fragile right now.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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i give them a little of mg 15-30-15 when they were maybe 2 weeks? less then an ounce each i bet. i used the solution listed on the back, but insead of a gal i just reduced it into enough to fill a big gatoraid bottle. i'm almost positive that i have the right amount in there, i dont think i fucked it up.
I have good ventilation 1 intake and 1 outtake, the intake is on a 5v and outtake is on a 9v i think.

how close to TOO close? remember i'm using 26 watt 6500k cfls. should an inch and 1/2 to 2 be enough to avoid heat?

@McFonz, i hope you're right, that's a easier thing to fix haha.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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i'm guessing that was bad.

it was more like 1/2 and ounce just a little drink. and if mix is referring to the soil, no, its organic, and as to my knowledge it's fertilizer free.
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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TFizz said:
i give them a little of mg 15-30-15 when they were maybe 2 weeks? less then an ounce each i bet. i used the solution listed on the back, but insead of a gal i just reduced it into enough to fill a big gatoraid bottle. i'm almost positive that i have the right amount in there, i dont think i fucked it up.
I have good ventilation 1 intake and 1 outtake, the intake is on a 5v and outtake is on a 9v i think.

how close to TOO close? remember i'm using 26 watt 6500k cfls. should an inch and 1/2 to 2 be enough to avoid heat?

@McFonz, i hope you're right, that's a easier thing to fix haha.
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put the back of your hand the same distance away...is it real hot? use a little judgment.
McFonz said:
dude. you gave them an ounce of 15-30-15 fertilizer each with a pre-fertilized mix?!
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I think he means an ounce of water mixed with a bit of nutrient.
McFonz said:
I believe its overwatering.
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Yea this is what i am thinking too.
 
TFizz

TFizz

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yea my mistake ounce of water mix with nutrient, the lights are a good distance then i'd say.

so i guess i'll cut down on my watering.

thanks again
 
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