Is the democratic party stupid, blind, clueless or is it based on ideology?

Dan Kone

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Don't believe the bullshit being spoon fed us on FOX, they are bought and payed for by corporate America, rich dicks, and anti people people.
I find it amazing almost to the point of insane what fox news is able to convince people of these days. We've got all these people here arguing against their own financial best interests in favor of a class of people who has never been more well off. It's really nuts.
 

NLXSK1

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Hey Puna, you are hilarious....

what I'm saying is the Obama administration has been stonewalled by the GOP the entire past two years. Yet the Dems were able to get a few things passed. Health Care Reform being the major victory for Obama. Yet the GOP has opposed Obama on everything. Even ideas he got from the GOP.
The Democrats owned the majority of the house and the senate for the last 2 years. So you know the only party able to block the legislation? That would be the .... DEMOCRATS!! Yep.

Which makes anything blocked, blocked in a bi-partisan manner. And that is exactly what Obama was preaching from the beginning right? Bi-partisanship? LOL!!
 

NoDrama

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Well if the race card doesn't work, then start with the conservatives, if that doesn't work, blame Bush or Reagan, if none of those things work, well then refer to the Saul Alinsky playbook rule #5 "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

Taking money from a productive person and giving it to a unproductive person is the WRONG thing to do, all you are doing is destroying wealth my friend.
 

Dan Kone

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Taking money from a productive person and giving it to a unproductive person is the WRONG thing to do, all you are doing is destroying wealth my friend.
Right, because the only real difference between a someone working as a bus boy and Paris Hilton is that Paris Hilton works harder and is more productive.

Why is what you mentioned wrong but economic policies designed to take from the middle class and give it to the wealthy seem to be ok with you?

No one is taking anything from the wealthy, we only would like them to pay what has historically been considered their fare share. No one is stealing from the rich here.
 

NoDrama

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Right, because the only real difference between a someone working as a bus boy and Paris Hilton is that Paris Hilton works harder and is more productive.

Why is what you mentioned wrong but economic policies designed to take from the middle class and give it to the wealthy seem to be ok with you?

No one is taking anything from the wealthy, we only would like them to pay what has historically been considered their fare share. No one is stealing from the rich here.
Well Paris Hilton has money for 2 reasons, first off her Grandad left her a Trust fund worth 28 Million or so, then of course you have the Brainless American masses who buy into all the Bullshit she is about and make her a Super Star who has no talent other than the ability to look pleasing to the Eye. Throngs of people just waiting for the next shot of her getting out of a car wearing no panties and a short skirt. She makes great entertainment for the dumbed down ones and probably commands a huge fee to endorse products due to her popularity.

Her Sister is way more desirable in my book, smart, sexy and not an attention whore.

Now in response to your comment about taking from the poor and the middle to pay the rich. Well thats pretty much the crux of it isn't it? I too realize that we are being screwed, but its not by the rich, its by the elite. You see the elite make the rich look like street urchins, where the rich make 250k+ a year, the Elite make hundreds of Billions. The Elite have nearly 50 years of US GDP stashed away, they own 90% of everything, they are immune to taxes, they are the ones who ultimately call all the shots, wage all the wars all in the name of profits and power. Ask Smedly Butler, JFK, Eisenhower, Wilson, Roosevelt. They have all said that there is another greater power than the government that really controls things. A small group of people who decide on the fate of all of us. Yes I know it all sounds so paranoid, what you might call conspiracy theory but there is soooo much evidence pointing to such a group.

JFK said:
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

The Truth is out there.
 

doc111

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Hey Puna, you are hilarious....



The Democrats owned the majority of the house and the senate for the last 2 years. So you know the only party able to block the legislation? That would be the .... DEMOCRATS!! Yep.

Which makes anything blocked, blocked in a bi-partisan manner. And that is exactly what Obama was preaching from the beginning right? Bi-partisanship? LOL!!
But they will tell you the republicans could block legislation using the filibuster. I think the democrats were going to use reconciliation to beat the filibuster and pass obamacare, I don't remember if they actually used it or not. Kinda makes the filibuster a non-issue wouldn't you say?:bigjoint:
 

MrDank007

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What's funny is that the "billionares" ....Buffet, Gates, Soros, um Oprah and movie stars are all Obama supporters not the people making $250k. What's also funny is the belief that more tax revenue will be good for the economy. Like the impact ratio is dollar for dollar or something. The gov does not put that money to "use" in job creation, most likely won't pay down any debt, does not produce a product or give it to the middle class. The fed has pumped in Trillions to the system and is now laundering money through quantitative easing. Keynesian economics is not doing anything, but putting inflation and higher rates on the horizon. People make less, buy less and prices go up. It's a downward spiral. They are devaluing our currency, which is a hidden tax on everyone. The gov produces nothing. Once the gov gets the revenue, its gone....gone and leveraged.

This Robin Hood mentality is a fantasy and the bigger issue is not the wealthy being taxed more and actual loss of their income, it's the uncertainty and fear it creates in the market, which is causing paralysis across the board. When it comes to money, the gov is a drug addict and it's only a matter of time before these tax hikes creep into the middle class to feed the monkey. It's the perception of an unfriendly business environment and boot heel on the throat of the economy that people are fed up with. The tax cuts can expire, but now is not the time. Now is the time for encouragement and fostering growth...across the board. These libs want handouts and to punish the rich...it's been beaten into their heads and don't believe anything trickles down, but I can assure you raising taxes on anyone will not improve your life one fucking bit. It's just going to help stall this shitstorm....
 

MrDank007

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But they are doing ok.

I'm all for making that distinction. If we want to make a separate tax bracket for people making over 750k per year I'd love that. We can all agree that people making 750k or more per year aren't going to starve to death if they get a slight tax increase right?
What positive effect will this have?


Yeah, Paris Hilton is pretty much just like you or me except she works harder so she makes more money. lol
I'm sure she supports Obama because it was cool

No. There is very little uncertainty. People are spending money. With a decrease in demand for goods and services investing isn't as profitable. That's pretty simple. I don't understand why anyone is confused by this.
No uncertainty. What do you do for a living? The stock market is a pinball machine. Small buisness are worried about tax hikes and obama care so they aren't hiring, the dollar is falling, unemployment is stalling, lenders aren't lending...economies around the world are blowing up. Is it any wonder people aren't making investments? Not to mention, that unless you qualify for SBA it's going to be 100% equity investment.

When you generalize that broadly it makes it seem like you don't understand what you're talking about.
You used Paris Hilton as one of your examples....

The government can't improve anything? Nothing at all? Really? Why bother having a government at all then? Maybe we need a government like Somalia. Government really gets out of their way. Talk about a free market success!
Smaller goverment is more effiecient. India's goverment is run by engineers...ours by lawyers and politicians that have never produced shit, but problems to ensure job security.

Really? They just take the money and throw it in fireplaces or what? What is this excess monies you speak of? Last time I checked we had a deficit, not a surplus.
Correct on both counts.

Who's going to buy the goods and services of the businesses that are being created? Certainly not the American middle class, they can't afford it.
You just contridicted yourself. So if the $250kers+ have less to spend then there will be even less spending right? Everyone else is apparently already fucked. Oh wait these people just hoard cash. Most wealthly people's balance sheets have not been historically cash heavy, so what are do they do with all that money? You think someone worth $50million has $50Million in cash? Maybe 3 definately less than 10.

Here's a thought! Why not put that money in the hands of the people who are most likely to spend it on goods and services in our economy? That would create demand which would create jobs and then rich people would have more profitable things to invest in. Everyone wins! Rich and poor alike benefit.
How do you put money in the hands of someone? Tax break?

What's so bad about that idea? Why the insistence on this money going to the people who have money already instead of the people who we rely on to purchase goods and services which makes investment and job creation profitable?
Money is not going back to someone who already made it. Read my previous post on market perception. Unfoturnatley, perception quickly becomes reality
 

MrDank007

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You can blame the Republicans for deregulating but they never grabbed the hand of a person making $35k a year to sign an interest only loan on a $400k house. That blame goes to the morons who bought what they couldn't afford in the first place.
It was FNMA that created this market through Clinton's initiative...Liar loans (cuz everbody needs house even if yo po, cuz we don'tz discriminate). The gov needed the investment banks on board to move the paper...now the finger get's pointed
 

NoDrama

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When people talk about Gates, Soros, Oprah as the really rich it is somewhat confusing. Sure their Personal net worth is very high, but even these mega billionaires have only a fraction of what some of the truly wealthy families have. Some estimates of the Rothschild fortune hover around $400 TRILLION, the Rockefeller Family not far behind. They have so many layers of Trusts, and family affairs doing business under other names that it is nearly impossible to track but a mere fraction of it. These aren't really Families, more like Empires.
 

MexicanWarlord420

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NoDrama, I've been hearing alot about this "super elite" and I've even heard that it is provable.

You sound sincere about this, so can you provide some specific examples?
 

MrDank007

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When people talk about Gates, Soros, Oprah as the really rich it is somewhat confusing. Sure their Personal net worth is very high, but even these mega billionaires have only a fraction of what some of the truly wealthy families have. Some estimates of the Rothschild fortune hover around $400 TRILLION, the Rockefeller Family not far behind. They have so many layers of Trusts, and family affairs doing business under other names that it is nearly impossible to track but a mere fraction of it. These aren't really Families, more like Empires.
Not trying to be dickish, but I see where all this NWO talk is going and ...well just so you know the entire US M3 money supply last estimate was around $10 Trillion...
 

NoDrama

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Not trying to be dickish, but I see where all this NWO talk is going and ...well just so you know the entire US M3 money supply last estimate was around $10 Trillion...
No one said they had 400 trillion in cash. Assets, my friend, assets.

Besides m3 is actually 6 trillion, which makes it kind of hard to think of US GDP as being twice as large. The entire derivatives market is valued at $1.14 QUADRILLION. the US derivatives market is 20 times larger than US GDP. So what was the point you were trying to make again?
 

MrDank007

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No one said they had 400 trillion in cash. Assets, my friend, assets.

Besides m3 is actually 6 trillion, which makes it kind of hard to think of us GDP as being twice as large.
It's a moving target, but I'll take your word for it and I digress. Please explain how one families assets are over 60 times our country's money supply...I think the enitre world's is somewhere around 40-50 trillion
 

NoDrama

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It's a moving target, but I'll take your word for it and I digress. Please explain how one families assets are over 60 times our country's money supply...I think the enitre world's is somewhere around 40-50 trillion
I added some, your more than welcome to check the facts and get back to me.

What size do you suppose the Comex, the Forex and the stock market all combined together? Do you think it would vastly exceed the total available currency in the banking system?

And just so you know, I'm in total agreement with your stance.
 

MrDank007

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I added some, your more than welcome to check the facts and get back to me.

What size do you suppose the Comex, the Forex and the stock market all combined together? Do you think it would vastly exceed the total available currency in the banking system?

And just so you know, I'm in total agreement with your stance.
It's not that I don't believe they are very wealthy...and it's not that i don't understand layering trust and entities....but 400 trillion? It just doesn't make sense. The catholic church and shell oil combined don't have that many assets.
 

NoDrama

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well you know $50 trillion only buys 1/97 th of what it did 97 years ago.

The money supply only reflects the currency needed on hand to balance the system out. The bank does not need to create a $100 bill just because you grew $100 worth of wheat. Check out fractional reserve banking and the creation of money and you will figure it out, you seem like an intelligent person.


The Bank of International Settlements, which seems to be the only institution that tracks the derivatives market, has recently reported that global outstanding derivatives have reached 1.14 quadrillion dollars: $548 Trillion in listed credit derivatives plus $596 trillion in notional/OTC derivatives.

Yes, that is Quadrillion. One and 12 zeroes!
 
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