Health Care

skunkushybrid

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I watched the film sicko last night. I cannot believe how money oriented your Government really is.

You're all brainwashed too.

Little kids are left to die. If they did that to us in our country, I know we'd have a revolution.

You can't even vote for Clinton as she is now paid by the med ins companies too.

Wow, you guys are suckers. Money money money. Little pices of paper that aren't worth shit...

Oh well, so long as it isn't you, right... next time though, it could be.
 

medicineman

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I watched the film sicko last night. I cannot believe how money oriented your Government really is.

You're all brainwashed too.

Little kids are left to die. If they did that to us in our country, I know we'd have a revolution.

You can't even vote for Clinton as she is now paid by the med ins companies too.

Wow, you guys are suckers. Money money money. Little pices of paper that aren't worth shit...

Oh well, so long as it isn't you, right... next time though, it could be.
Well said. Thats how these plutocratic fascists think. As long as it isn't me.
 

skunkushybrid

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It's crazy, you guys are just above Lithuania for health care...

Surely not every American actually believes that a social health care system is a long dirty road into communism.

Speaking of which we could well be going to war with russia, in the very least they are trying to intimidate us by flying bombers very close to our borders. It's all over that Russian defector Ivan Whateverlenko who they executed in our country by poison.

We have lots of their secrets, and I suppose they're a little pissed.

Fcuk, healthcare... lost my train of thought now... thinking about those russian bombers. I bet I'd get enlisted too if it came to war. Fuck that, I'm not dying at some idiots command... I like to hold my own life in my own hands. War is a roll of the dice.
 

crazy-mental

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where im from, i used moan about obout my healthcare."im diabetic" now, and gladly geta free everything ,i mean eveything. from docs, to medical, even eyecare and dental.
and everyone moans.obout englands nhs.
englands healtcare is great really, if we had to pay, everyone would be dead,i bet.
esp. when you been ill in another part of the world.and got treat like a dog.
no money no "room in the inn", so to speak.
i realised,when i got diabities, and needed frequent,, care

we really,have our bread buttered compared to everywere else in the world..
i wouldnt moan about my healrhcare, if i had to pay.
really.
im lucky to live in england.cos of the free good healthcare,compared to everywere else ive been,in the world, and ive been lots of places, and had acc. fell of moterbikes ect...
thats ebglish for you.
"mad dogs and english men," when the sun comes out.
 

ViRedd

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I love the way Med calls freedom and liberty devotees "facists," while at the same time he is stone-blind to the fact that government run health care IS fascism.

Vi
 

skunkushybrid

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I love the way Med calls freedom and liberty devotees "facists," while at the same time he is stone-blind to the fact that government run health care IS fascism.

Vi

So our free health care is because the UK government are fascists?

ha ha ha ha ha ha

Come on Vi'. You don't mind that the country you love so much has almost as high a infant fatality rate as Lithuania. Doubtless if I lived in your country my oldest son would most likely be dead. He was born 3 months premature, had to stay in the excellent hospital for nigh on 3 months till he weighed enough to be brought home.

The US seems more like Nazi Germany to me. You mean nothing to your country... and one day your country will fall. Greed and corruption will kill it.
 

CALIGROWN

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i love how all "american's" are categorized the same...no one here has there own brain right? we just follow like sheep.
 

skunkushybrid

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i love how all "american's" are categorized the same...no one here has there own brain right? we just follow like sheep.
Unfortunately, yes. this is how it works. If the majority of people in your country wanted a health service, then wouldn't you get one?

Obviously this doesn't apply to every single american, but it certainly does speak for the majority. what good does it do to speak of the few? They count not.

What does count is numbers, majorities, large majorities. This is not just a US thing... for the most part people follow like sheep. This is the way of this society of control and greed.

If not all (please take this as a generalisation) americans are sheep then how is that we can be in the 21st century and the US be so behind the rest of the world? Ignoring science for belief in silly magical stories (stem cell research). Causing wars to rob poor countries and make them even poorer. Africa is maybe the richest continent on the world yet every 8 seconds a child dies from drinking dirty water... we just want the gold, diamonds and oil. Obviously the US are not entirely to blame but as the superpower they should feel responsible. Instead they are paid for by the corporations, and the cycle continues.

Something needs to happen, something will happen... chaos. Through their greed they shall bring about what they seek to control.
 

CALIGROWN

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I wish it were up to us...most of the time we don't get to vote on anything we would want...it's like picking which shit sandwich will taste less shitty..every chance I get I vote for the rights of the citizens....but even if we win a vote the fed will just step in and have it there way.....
 

skunkushybrid

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I wish it were up to us...most of the time we don't get to vote on anything we would want...it's like picking which shit sandwich will taste less shitty..every chance I get I vote for the rights of the citizens....but even if we win a vote the fed will just step in and have it there way.....
I think all governments should be run by referendums. No news reporting allowed, and the only way people can learn more is through televised debates. Live, no prepping.

If a government is a representation of the people then it should merely represent and not make important decisions for us.

They would never do that because they enjoy their position of control.

They are merely a representation, a handful of men and women. In this case they are the minority and yet they get the final say. I doubt that this is the vision Cromwell had for the future of Government.
 

Johnnyorganic

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I love the way Med calls freedom and liberty devotees "facists," while at the same time he is stone-blind to the fact that government run health care IS fascism.

Vi
Actually, government MANDATED health care would be fascism. Government PROVIDED health care is socialism.
 

ccodiane

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So our free health care is because the UK government are fascists?

ha ha ha ha ha ha

Come on Vi'. You don't mind that the country you love so much has almost as high a infant fatality rate as Lithuania. Doubtless if I lived in your country my oldest son would most likely be dead. He was born 3 months premature, had to stay in the excellent hospital for nigh on 3 months till he weighed enough to be brought home.

The US seems more like Nazi Germany to me. You mean nothing to your country... and one day your country will fall. Greed and corruption will kill it.
Because we count children born alive but with serious birth defects, who don't have much of a chance, who we try to save and can't always? Whereas the rest of the world counts these babies stillborn. Do some research before buying into Moores propaganda. You seem, seemed, too intelligent for this. PS- I was born premature almost thirty years ago. It is because of the invention and ingenuity spawned in the US medical field, the free market US medical field, that your son had such a good chance at life. The free market is the only thing keeping our medical in the US the best in the world. Period.
 

skunkushybrid

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Because we count children born alive but with serious birth defects, who don't have much of a chance, who we try to save and can't always? Whereas the rest of the world counts these babies stillborn. Do some research before buying into Moores propaganda. You seem, seemed, too intelligent for this. PS- I was born premature almost thirty years ago. It is because of the invention and ingenuity spawned in the US medical field, the free market US medical field, that your son had such a good chance at life. The free market is the only thing keeping our medical in the US the best in the world. Period.
The research was presented to me in a film. None of those people were actors... none of the people that admitted denying people operations just so they could make money were actors either.

The woman that senselessly lost her young daughter despite begging doctors to help, they refused because the insurance was not covered. So they just let the kid die. That was real, and it was sickening.

No doctor in my country would stand back and allow someone to die. Doctors in my country have morals.
 

joepro

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The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy.

WHO Director-General Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland says: "The main message from this report is that the health and well- being of people around the world depend critically on the performance of the health systems that serve them. Yet there is wide variation in performance, even among countries with similar levels of income and health expenditure. It is essential for decision- makers to understand the underlying reasons so that system performance, and hence the health of populations, can be improved."
Dr Christopher Murray, Director of WHO's Global Programme on Evidence for Health Policy. says: "Although significant progress has been achieved in past decades, virtually all countries are under- utilizing the resources that are available to them. This leads to large numbers of preventable deaths and disabilities; unnecessary suffering, injustice, inequality and denial of an individual's basic rights to health."
The impact of failures in health systems is most severe on the poor everywhere, who are driven deeper into poverty by lack of financial protection against ill- health, the report says.
"The poor are treated with less respect, given less choice of service providers and offered lower- quality amenities," says Dr Brundtland. "In trying to buy health from their own pockets, they pay and become poorer."
The World Health Report says the main failings of many health systems are:
  • Many health ministries focus on the public sector and often disregard the frequently much larger private sector health care.
  • In many countries, some if not most physicians work simultaneously for the public sector and in private practice. This means the public sector ends up subsidizing unofficial private practice.
  • Many governments fail to prevent a "black market" in health, where widespread corruption, bribery, "moonlighting" and other illegal practices flourish. The black markets, which themselves are caused by malfunctioning health systems, and low income of health workers, further undermine those systems.
  • Many health ministries fail to enforce regulations that they themselves have created or are supposed to implement in the public interest.
While private health expenses in industrial countries now average only some 25 percent because of universal health coverage (except in the United States, where it is 56%), in India, families typically pay 80 percent of their health care costs as "out-of- pocket" expenses when they receive health care.
"It is especially beneficial to make sure that as large a percentage as possible of the poorest people in each country can get insurance," says Dr Frenk. "Insurance protects people against the catastrophic effects of poor health. What we are seeing is that in many countries, the poor pay a higher percentage of their income on health care than the rich."
"In many countries without a health insurance safety net, many families have to pay more than 100 percent of their income for health care when hit with sudden emergencies. In other words, illness forces them into debt."
 

ccodiane

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The research was presented to me in a film. None of those people were actors... none of the people that admitted denying people operations just so they could make money were actors either.

The woman that senselessly lost her young daughter despite begging doctors to help, they refused because the insurance was not covered. So they just let the kid die. That was real, and it was sickening.

No doctor in my country would stand back and allow someone to die. Doctors in my country have morals.
Again, Michael Moore, and anyone who believes his propaganda, is an idiot. Period. Research this fat, pretentious slob before buying into his shit, unless shit is what your opinions have become.
 

ccodiane

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And while your at it, your needed research, check out the World Health Organization. No wonder the ultra lib commie Moore made a film based on their findings. They seem to despise America as much as this demented, hypocritical fuck. A class in statistics might help you too, to see where they really, really skewed the results. If you care, which I don't think you do. "You're all brainwashed too." "Wow, you guys are suckers." "The US seems more like Nazi Germany to me." Why would you resort to this? Are you really a pathetic fuck? I suspected this quite some time ago, and seem to now have my proof.:mrgreen:
 
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