rhino skin is it bs

the75bag

Active Member
i have been battling aphids for about 2 months i used a entire bottle at full strength for about a month and a half i recently bought a bottle of rhino skin i was on there site and they said it will help against bugs and give me more sugar is it a good product or is it just bs
or what can i use to get rid of them i am all organic but if i use this ill lose that
 

tom__420

Well-Known Member
I have never heard of it
It might do some positive for your grow but nothing major
On advanced nutrients website they talk more about actual rhino's then the product... weird
Notice how the writing on the product is in tiny print while the shit about rhinoceroses is in much bigger type
If you have bugs than use an organic pesticide/ fungicide like neem oil
 

WhiteWidower123

Active Member
It looks like this thread never really got an awnser, but this is something that ive been trying to find out myself, can we re-open this for discussion?
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Use Neem Oil

[FONT=&quot]There is some really good information here on what you can do with neem and how and why you should use it often.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]What is it? Neem Oil[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Neem oil comes from the pressed seed of the neem tree – Azadiracta indica Juss – to be exact. It’s native to eastern India and Burma and has been used for medicinal purposes and pest control in India for thousands of years.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Claims are that the bark and leaves have quite a few anti’s covered.[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]antiseptic[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]antiviral[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]anti-inflammatory[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]antiulcer[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]antifungal[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]…to name a few.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Is It Safe?[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well neem products are used in medication and consumed by humans. So any exposure to neem while treating your plants does not pose a threat. There are no restrictions put in place by the EPA.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I spoke to a few growers that have been using neem oil in their “pest control” program and they are delighted with it. Not just from the safety aspect… but the control. They have found the neem oil to be effective as a repellant – insecticide – miticide and fungicide. It also functions as an antifeedant which discourages insects feeding patterns.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Insects would rather die than eat plants treated with neem oil.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Extracts from neem have shown incredible success with not only battling fungus problems but also many forms of root rot.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Why it Works[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Extracts from the tree contain azadirachtin, a relatively safe and effective naturally occurring insecticide. Let me preface the following comments by reminding you that the terms "naturally occurring and/ or organic" do not universally mean safe. Pyrethrums, rotenone, and even the very dangerous nicotine are all organics that should be handled with great caution.

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[FONT=&quot]Where is it Used?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Neem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] extracts, on the other hand are used in a wide variety of cosmetics, as a topical treatment for minor wounds, to treat stomach ailments, as an insecticide in grain storage containers, and a whole host of other applications. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How Does it Work?[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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Neem works in many ways. It is effective both as a topical and a systemic. It is an antifeedant, an oviposition deterrent (anti-egg laying), a growth inhibitor, a mating disrupter, and a chemosterilizer. Azadirachtin closely mimics the hormone ecdysone which is necessary for reproduction in insects. When present, it takes the place of the real hormone and thus disrupts not only the feeding process, but the metamorphic transition as well. It interferes with the formation of chitin (insect "skin") and stops pupation in larvae, thus short-circuiting the insect life cycle. Tests have shown that azadirachtin is effective in some cases at concentrations as low as 1 ppm.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How to Use?[/FONT]
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Neem oil or extract is most often used in an aqueous (water) suspension as a foliar spray or soil drench. Commonly, it is diluted to about a .05% solution. A drop or two of dish soap (not detergent) helps keep the oil emulsified. The mixture is then applied as a mist to all leaf surfaces and as a soil drench to the root system. It should not be applied as a foliar spray on hot days or in bright sun as leaf burn may occur. Remember to agitate the container frequently as you apply and do not mix any more than you will use in one day. Neem breaks down rapidly in water and/ or sunlight. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What to Expect[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Some users of insecticide need to be able to observe the instant results of their efforts in order to be convinced of the effectiveness of their choice. The application of neem derivatives does not provide this immediate gratification. There is virtually no knockdown (instant death) factor associated with its use. Insects ingesting neem usually take about 3 - 14 days to die. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Why Keep Using It?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Its greatest benefit; however, is in preventing the occurrence of future generations. It is also interesting to note that in studies it was found that when doses were given, purposefully insufficient to cause death or complete disruption of the metamorphic cycle, up to 30 surviving generations showed virtually no resistance/immunity to normal lethal doses. [/FONT]
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I have been using neem oil as both a preventative and fixative and have had no insect problems. It is said to be effective for mites, whitefly, aphids, thrips, fungus gnats, caterpillars, beetles, mealy bugs, leaf miners, g-moth, and others. It seems to be fairly specific in attacking insects with piercing or rasping mouth parts. Since these are the pests that feed on plant tissues, they are our main target species. Unless beneficial’s like lady bugs, certain wasps, spiders etc. come in direct contact with spray; it does little to diminish their numbers.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]What about beneficial insects?[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Not all bugs are bad. Some are beneficial to plants because they eat the insects that feast on your plants.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]One of the many benefits of using neem oil insecticide is that it doesn't harm beneficial insects, such as lady bugs because they don't eat your plants. They'd rather make lunch out of aphids and other plant destroyers.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Of course, you don't want insects in your home. But if you move your plants outside for any length of time, you may expose your neem-treated plant to the good bugs. Don't worry -- they won't be harmed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]SOURCES OF RELEVANT INFORMATION[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Helson, B.V. 1992. Naturally derived insecticides: Prospects for forestry use. Forestry Chronicle 68: 349-354.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Helson, B.V.; Lyons, D.B. 1999 Chemical and biorational control of the pine false webworm. pp. 17-22 in D.B. Lyons, G.C. Jones and T.A. Scarr, eds. Proceedings of a Workshop on the Pine False Webworm.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]CFS, Great Lakes Forestry Centre, Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources. Sault Ste. Marie, Ont. 49p.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Helson, B.V.; de Groot, P.; McFarlane, J.W.; Zylstra, B.; Scarr, T. 1998. Leader and systemic applications of neem EC formulations for control of white pine weevil (Coleoptera: Curcolionidae) on jack pine and white pine. Proc. Entomol. Soc. Ont. 129: 107-113[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Helson, B.; Lyons, B.; de Groot, P. 1999. Evaluation of neem EC formulations containing azadirachtin for forest insect pest management in Canada. pp. 79-89 in RP [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Singh, RC Saxena (Eds.), Azadirachta indica A. Juss. International. Neem Conference, Gatton, Australia, Feb. 1996. Oxford & IBH Publishing Co. PVT. Ltd. New Delhi.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Lyons, D.B.; Helson, B.V.; Jones, G.C.; McFarlane, J.W. 1998. Effectiveness of neem- and iflubenzuron-based insecticides for control of the pine false webworm, Acantholyda erythrocephala (Hymenoptera: Pamphiliidae). Proc. Entomol. Soc. Ont. 129: 115-126[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Lyons, D.B.; Helson, B.V.; Jones, G.C.; McFarlane, J.W.; Scarr, T. 1996. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Systemic activity of neem seed extracts containing azadirachtin in pine foliage for control of the pine false webworm, Acantholyda[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]erythrocephala (Hymenoptera: Pamphiliidae). Proc. Entomol. Soc. Ont. 127: 45-55.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Wanner, K.W.; Helson, B.V.; Kostyk, B.C. 1997. Foliar and systemic applications of neem seed extract for control of spruce budworm, Choristoneura fumiferana (Clem.) (Lepidoptera:Tortricidae), infesting black and white spruce seed orchards. Can. Ent. 129: 645-655.[/FONT]
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woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
YES I am, Rhyno will not do everything Neem will. No if, buts or ands, Neem is the dope brother, I have been bug free for years.
 

puffntuff

Well-Known Member
woods looks like me and you are all over these threads about neem!!!!! we should start a neem oil thread!!!!
 

WhiteWidower123

Active Member
Im kinda pissed I bought Rhino Skin now :/ thats what i get for not doing my research before buying a product. I fucking hate hydro stores man, theyre like a goddamned candy shop, I ALWAYS come out with more than I intended.
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Rhinoskin is primarily silica. Silica does toughen your plants and makes then better able to resist stress in general. It is a good idea to use silica if you plan on bending your plants. Silica may also deter bugs to a point, but it is a weak preventative only... it should not be expected to rid a plant of a current bug population.
 

puffntuff

Well-Known Member
advanced nutrients rape and plunder the pockets of people that dont know better!!!!!!! you can buy a bottle of potassium silicate for like $10. rhino skin 1% potassium silicate 99% water ahahahahhaah
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Rhinoskin is primarily silica. Silica does toughen your plants and makes then better able to resist stress in general. It is a good idea to use silica if you plan on bending your plants. Silica may also deter bugs to a point, but it is a weak preventative only... it should not be expected to rid a plant of a current bug population.
He's right you can still use it, it's just not the man for the job when it comes to bugs. It is good for your plants.

I feel for you I loved spending money on the next great thing but after a while I just said what the fuck am I doing. When you are always changing things you never reach your potential but spend tons of money on questionable additives. Remember it is a business and it's all about money!! for 99% of the people involved. So find your own way and keep it simple, less to go wrong. And always double check the facts.
 

puffntuff

Well-Known Member
Rhinoskin is primarily silica. Silica does toughen your plants and makes then better able to resist stress in general. It is a good idea to use silica if you plan on bending your plants. Silica may also deter bugs to a point, but it is a weak preventative only... it should not be expected to rid a plant of a current bug population.
kinda right but its primarily water and a little bit silica
 
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