Health Care

[Dats]

Michael Moore is an idiot. Anyone who watches one of his films and believes a word of it is also an idiot.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Again, Michael Moore, and anyone who believes his propaganda, is an idiot. Period. Research this fat, pretentious slob before buying into his shit, unless shit is what your opinions have become.

So all those people he filmed were lying?

So what if the guy is fat, I bet you're an ugly cunt... what's the difference? We can't all be perfect, and the fact you have to resort to such name-calling shows how much he's got to you.

So his film is a complete lie is it?

I don't have to buy into anything there were lots of witnesses in his film... i bet he could have found lots lots more too.

Everyone knows how insurance companies work, why would health insurance be any different?


Wonder how many doctors just let kids die without trying to help in my country? None.

For his film to be propaganda it would need to be a lie. Those people he filmed were not lying.

All he did was film the truth... now he may be fat, pretentious even, but the fact is he told the truth.

We already knew it was the truth as far as the pharmaceutical giants are concerned. Pushing drugs that either don't work properly or cause deformities or even death... I'd just never looked at the US health system before, never imagined something so vital could be run with so little compassion.

Even if he did just manage to find the only child to die through not getting the care she needed, this is one child too many.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Michael Moore is an idiot. Anyone who watches one of his films and believes a word of it is also an idiot.

So all those people were lying?

For me not to believe what they were saying would make them liars... bet you wouldn't say that to their faces.

I saw no lies in that film.

 

[bongspit]

my 78 year old mother had open heart surgery and even with medicare and and a secondary insurance she ended up owing $40,000...what good does it do to have such great doctors if you can not afford to pay for it??
ccodiane is a very angry person...

 

[ccodiane]

So all those people he filmed were lying?

So all the people he filmed were telling the truth?

So what if the guy is fat, I bet you're an ugly cunt... what's the difference? We can't all be perfect, and the fact you have to resort to such name-calling shows how much he's got to you.

He is a fat, white, rich, male, well connected, stock market invested, Capitalist!!!, American. Everything he tries to vilify, he participates in wholeheartedly. Probably just like you. You're probably a white, male, capitalist, little prick who calls your counterparts across the pond Nazis. He didn't get to me, what and who he represents is an affront to all that I believe is good about MY country. When you quote him or his movie in such a misguided fashion, I think of you as his minion. You are now his minion, fighting on behalf of his leftist propaganda. So, I will attack the moron of a messenger this buffoon has created in you. It would be my pleasure to defend the good ol' US of A, you little bitch.

So his film is a complete lie is it?

So what about his film have you verified as true?

I don't have to buy into anything there were lots of witnesses in his film... i bet he could have found lots lots more too.

I bet he could get you to testify on behalf of his good character as well, since you have already concluded his credentials satisfy your requirements.

Everyone knows how insurance companies work, why would health insurance be any different?

You don't know the first thing about our health insurance in America. Go online and get a quote from one of the many companies available. It is cheap, readily available, of excellent quality, and full of choice. I pay $89.00 a month, plus a $25 a visit deductible, for excellent coverage. My prescriptions are $5, no matter what, hospital stays are $150 a night and max out at $1500. It's everything I want and need. I know many who are in a state run program who are fully covered by the state, and have the same level of care as I receive, at the same hospital even. The USA has excellent health care and health insurance options.


Wonder how many doctors just let kids die without trying to help in my country? None.

Your a dumb fuck who can't back that up. Or the presumption you are trying to make.

For his film to be propaganda it would need to be a lie. Those people he filmed were not lying.

It's all in how you look at it.

All he did was film the truth... now he may be fat, pretentious even, but the fact is he told the truth.

What he did was commentate on a worse case scenario in the worst light possible. It's no more the truth than his other propaganda flicks, full of lies and mis-truths, presenting nut ball theories as fact. Speaking of presenting nut-ball theories as fact, the two of you share a lot in common.

We already knew it was the truth as far as the pharmaceutical giants are concerned. Pushing drugs that either don't work properly or cause deformities or even death... I'd just never looked at the US health system before, never imagined something so vital could be run with so little compassion.

So the only thing you know about the US health care system, by your own admission, is "Sicko", the movie. hahahahahaha Your a fool for commenting in the first place.

Even if he did just manage to find the only child to die through not getting the care she needed, this is one child too many.

You sound like any number of bleeding heart liberals. I heard in your great country, under your great socialized medical system, pregnant women are being told to revert to midwives and home births to alleviate pressure on your dwindling supply of available beds and your dwindling supply of local anesthetics. Child birth set back 100 years because of socialized medicine. Also, many people , 6% surveyed, said they were forced to pull their own teeth with pliers because of the infinitely long wait for a dentist visit. Isn't socialized medicine grand!

 

[ccodiane]

UK
Dentist shortage hits 'millions'
BBC NEWS | Health | Dentist shortage hits 'millions'

Nurse shortage for sick baby care
BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Nurse shortage for sick baby care

Canada, eh

Bed shortage: Cancer surgeries cancelled

Bed shortage: Cancer surgeries cancelled

I could go on and on, like Gul Rebal, but you get the point.

 

[ccodiane]

my 78 year old mother had open heart surgery and even with medicare and and a secondary insurance she ended up owing $40,000...what good does it do to have such great doctors if you can not afford to pay for it??
ccodiane is a very angry person...

Better to be dead? Amazing. You mean we give open-heart surgeries to 78 year olds who don't have the money to pay for it. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raaaaaaaa!

 

[ccodiane]

And if she had died in surgery, that stat would make us look bad, compared to the rest of the world who would have told your mother, "Their is nothing we can do for you, you've lived a full life, etc. etc.", and she would have died of "natural causes". The flawed statistical analysis the World Health Organization uses is made to suit the agendas of propagandists like Michael Moore and all the Algore types.

 

[skunkushybrid]

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You sound like any number of bleeding heart liberals. I heard in your great country, under your great socialized medical system, pregnant women are being told to revert to midwives and home births to alleviate pressure on your dwindling supply of available beds and your dwindling supply of local anesthetics. Child birth set back 100 years because of socialized medicine. Also, many people , 6% surveyed, said they were forced to pull their own teeth with pliers because of the infinitely long wait for a dentist visit. Isn't socialized medicine grand!

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. There are no large waiting lists for dental care in my country... and mothers are not told to go for home births...

I'm a father of soon to be 4, i think i should know. In fact my gf has the option to have her birth anyway that she likes... in a pool of water even, all for free. She can choose her drugs, everything.

You see the people do pay in my country for health care, it comes out of our taxes.

I don't see why this has to get all political, this is to do with humanity... my country is not a socialist country.

We pay protection money to the police, fire service, street maintenance... what's wrong with a health service?

What do you think would happen? That you'll wake up in the morning to a scene out of Red Square?

 

[skunkushybrid]

Better to be dead? Amazing. You mean we give open-heart surgeries to 78 year olds who don't have the money to pay for it. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raaaaaaaa!

She probably had to remortgage her house.

You think 78 is old? My nan is that age, older actually, and she easily has another 20 years.

There is no euthanasia in my country.

 

[ccodiane]

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. There are no large waiting lists for dental care in my country... and mothers are not told to go for home births...

Not what your liberal BBC tells me

I'm a father of soon to be 4, i think i should know. In fact my gf has the option to have her birth anyway that she likes... in a pool of water even, all for free. She can choose her drugs, everything.

In a pool of water, for free!!!!! hahahahahaha Sounds great. Yeah, Tylenol or Advil. hahahahahaha

You see the people do pay in my country for health care, it comes out of our taxes.

Your steadily rising taxes. How much is a gallon of gas?

I don't see why this has to get all political, this is to do with humanity... my country is not a socialist country.

It's steadily moving in that direction!

We pay protection money to the police, fire service, street maintenance... what's wrong with a health service?

The private sector will always attract the best doctors, the most personal care, the most innovative techniques, the best drugs, which you royally underestimate the importance of, it seems, and the best everything. The capitalist market works. It's that simple. Government does nothing but grow if given the opportunity.

What do you think would happen? That you'll wake up in the morning to a scene out of Red Square?

Maybe my grandkids grandkids will. I'm not willing to relinquish my freedom to choose on anything, without a good fight.

 

[ccodiane]

She probably had to remortgage her house.

You think 78 is old? My nan is that age, older actually, and she easily has another 20 years.

There is no euthanasia in my country.

You mean she owned her own home. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!

78 is relatively young because of innovation in pharmaceutics and health care. It will start to drop in your country, the average age, because of your failure to take responsibility for your own medical decisions. Wait and see.

 

[Erniedytn]

Something needs to happen, something will happen... chaos. Through their greed they shall bring about what they seek to control.

That is all.

 

[skunkushybrid]

You mean she owned her own home. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!

78 is relatively young because of innovation in pharmaceutics and health care. It will start to drop in your country, the average age, because of your failure to take responsibility for your own medical decisions. Wait and see.

At least you've stopped the moronic abuse, although it has given me an excellent insight into your character.

We have private health care in my country too, and yes it is better than the care from the NHS. This is an option that we can take. We don't have to go NHS.

I see where you're coming from. You're thinking about money. Where's the money going to come from to help these people that need in your country that you love so much? You got it, out of your pocket... doubtless also that the richer you are then the more you will have to pay, and all for a service you won't even use.

Yes, I see you. Compassion is obviously very lacking in your character as can be witnessed by your posts.

 

[ccodiane]

At least you've stopped the moronic abuse, although it has given me an excellent insight into your character.

Your the moron, who seems to no longer like the abuse. Typical commie lib, call me and my fellow country men "stupid Nazis", I'm paraphrasing, and accuse me of being abusive. You have no character, just all idiotic posting about trichs and your ego. Not much.

We have private health care in my country too, and yes it is better than the care from the NHS. This is an option that we can take. We don't have to go NHS.

Your an idiot. Private care is better care, you say, and still you argue. Yet, if you opt for private care in your country you are essentially paying twice. What a convenient way of penalizing people who want the best care the medical system has to offer, have worked hard for their money, and can afford it. Your society is socialized, regardless of your naive contentions.

I see where you're coming from. You're thinking about money. Where's the money going to come from to help these people that need in your country that you love so much? You got it, out of your pocket... doubtless also that the richer you are then the more you will have to pay, and all for a service you won't even use.

Money? No, quality of care, you moron. With the taxes I pay already, I repeat, already, I and my tax bracket subsidize the health care, welfare, education, etc etc of millions and millions of total strangers, who just happen to be fortunate enough to be fellow Americans. Get a clue. I am more concerned about the throngs of Brits and Canadians who pour into our country each year to get life saving medical assistance that they would otherwise not get, in time to survive, in their own countries. If we socialize, where will you all go? Cuba?

Yes, I see you. Compassion is obviously very lacking in your character as can be witnessed by your posts.

I am a conservative first. We all have the opportunity to achieve our dreams if we work hard and strive for perfection. I am more than willing to offer a hand up, but not a hand out. It defeats the purpose. You, on the other hand, want freebies, and will sacrifice your freedom for it. Too bad you don't have the intelligence to realize this.

 

[ccodiane]

Hospital failings in child death
BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | Hospital failings in child death

Hospital slammed over child death
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Hospital slammed over child death

Baby Death Hospital Still Has MRSA
Raisingkids: Todays News: Baby death hospital still has MRSA

I would advise your wife stay home and have the child in water, as you mentioned. It looks as if your hospitals go out of their way to kill children. (See how that works, you Mooreon)

 

[bongspit]

You mean she owned her own home. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!

78 is relatively young because of innovation in pharmaceutics and health care. It will start to drop in your country, the average age, because of your failure to take responsibility for your own medical decisions. Wait and see.

my mothers side of family all lived to be in their 90s...so, it is possible she could live another 20 years...

Better to be dead? Amazing. You mean we give open-heart surgeries to 78 year olds who don't have the money to pay for it. I love this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raaaaaaaa!

she had the money to pay for it...had...so you can put a price on life...is her life worth $120,000 for an old person that's kind of high....

And if she had died in surgery, that stat would make us look bad, compared to the rest of the world who would have told your mother, "Their is nothing we can do for you, you've lived a full life, etc. etc.", and she would have died of "natural causes". The flawed statistical analysis the World Health Organization uses is made to suit the agendas of propagandists like Michael Moore and all the Algore types.

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. There are no large waiting lists for dental care in my country... and mothers are not told to go for home births...

I'm a father of soon to be 4, i think i should know. In fact my gf has the option to have her birth anyway that she likes... in a pool of water even, all for free. She can choose her drugs, everything.

You see the people do pay in my country for health care, it comes out of our taxes.

I don't see why this has to get all political, this is to do with humanity... my country is not a socialist country.

We pay protection money to the police, fire service, street maintenance... what's wrong with a health service?

What do you think would happen? That you'll wake up in the morning to a scene out of Red Square?

She probably had to remortgage her house.

You think 78 is old? My nan is that age, older actually, and she easily has another 20 years.

There is no euthanasia in my country.

you really do not have a choice of doctors in the usa anyway...if want to see a specialist, you have to go to your GP and he will send you to specialist that is in your network...you do not have the choice...when I retired I had to switch GPs because my hmo was now different...
I think ccodiane is probably in the medical field....

 

[ViRedd]

Did you not have a choice about joining an HMO?

Vi

 

[bongspit]

Did you not have a choice about joining an HMO?

Vi

no...I had no choice...

 

[skunkushybrid]

I am a conservative first. We all have the opportunity to achieve our dreams if we work hard and strive for perfection. I am more than willing to offer a hand up, but not a hand out. It defeats the purpose. You, on the other hand, want freebies, and will sacrifice your freedom for it. Too bad you don't have the intelligence to realize this.

Actually i didn't call you a moron, moron. I also didn't call you all nazis, not unless you actually work for the health companies. Then of course you're a nazi.

Freedoms? So by us having a NHS, we are actually relinquishing freedoms?

This world is desending into chaos... I used to want chaos, thought that it was an eventuality anyway. But now as I get older I realise that a more peaceful world is the right way to go. A world where we actually care about each other. So what if it costs an extra dollar a week to help these people that are 'lucky enough to be born an American.'

In my country when you pay for private care there is no waiting time. There is a little waiting time on the NHS but at least the care is there. People are not refused help when they need it the most.

No matter how much you shout and scream, the people in that film were real. Now I have no real political leanings. I like the fact that I can make money and lead a comfortable life, I'm also very competitive. To think that it is right to label me as a commie just because I feel that we should help our fellow man more is a very naive judgement. I'd go so far as to say a brainwashed view... so yes, I suppose I did call you a brainwashed nazi...