How long can seedlings be in 12/12 without flowering?

makinthemagic

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I have a space problem. I have 2 crops right now, the first is 3+ weeks into flowering. The other crop is 6 seedlings about a month old. They are like 2" tall and have 2, almost 3 nodes now. I have been keeping the flowering plants and seedlings together as I only have one grow room. I don't have space to setup separate flowering and veg rooms. How long can I keep the seedlings with the flowering plants before the seedlings start to flower too?
 

frmrboi

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I have a space problem. I have 2 crops right now, the first is 3+ weeks into flowering. The other crop is 6 seedlings about a month old. They are like 2" tall and have 2, almost 3 nodes now. I have been keeping the flowering plants and seedlings together as I only have one grow room. I don't have space to setup separate flowering and veg rooms. How long can I keep the seedlings with the flowering plants before the seedlings start to flower too?
You're running out of time, like in days, Can't you pull them out of the flowering room and keep them under a desk lamp for another few hours each night ?
 

KushXOJ

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they are already trying to flower if the lights are 12/12 when they get to a decent size they will flower i say 2 weeks AT MOST and you will start seeing pistils on them or balls which ever but they can start flower tommorow you never know so you want to seperate them as soon as you can and give them at least 18 hours of light ...

if you dnt have another timer just stick them somewhere with a 5000k-6500k CFL on 24 hours a day until
you can think of a veg setup for them
 

The Knuck

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They cannot flower until they are sexually mature, when you see alternating nodes.

you dont have alot of time
 

makinthemagic

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You're running out of time, like in days, Can't you pull them out of the flowering room and keep them under a desk lamp for another few hours each night ?
I have a desk lamp and had planned to use it. I just want to leave the seedlings in the flower room as long as possible as they seem to like it a lot more than the desk lamp.
 

frmrboi

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I have a desk lamp and had planned to use it. I just want to leave the seedlings in the flower room as long as possible as they seem to like it a lot more than the desk lamp.
I didn't mean to grow under it,you move the seedlings under after lights out in the flower room.I did that with rooted clones all the time.
 

Kerovan

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The other crop is 6 seedlings about a month old. They are like 2" tall and have 2, almost 3 nodes now.?
you have some serious grow issues if this is true. You are saying at 1 month old they are about the size they should be at 6-7 days. How are you growing, what kind of light? what kind of grow medium and nutes?

to answer your question about flowering, they will go into flowering mode immediately when you put them under 12/12.
 

Kerovan

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They cannot flower until they are sexually mature, when you see alternating nodes.
This is not true. They can flower at any time if you give them 12/12. They do not have to "sexually mature" as I hear a lot of people say.
 

makinthemagic

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you have some serious grow issues if this is true. You are saying at 1 month old they are about the size they should be at 6-7 days. How are you growing, what kind of light? what kind of grow medium and nutes?

to answer your question about flowering, they will go into flowering mode immediately when you put them under 12/12.
i should have looked before i spoke. more like a month old, 6"+ tall, 3 nodes

combo 500 actual cfl watts and my windowsill, mg african violet soil
 

Kerovan

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i should have looked before i spoke. more like a month old, 6"+ tall, 3 nodes

combo 500 actual cfl watts and my windowsill, mg african violet soil
get the light closer for one thing. 6" and 3 nodes is stretched. I have some right now under t-8 flourescents. At 6 days old they 1 1/2" tall with 2 good nodes and the 3rd node just coming out. at 6 inches they should have 6+ nodes. Any more than an inch a node is stretching.
 

Kerovan

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this is not true a plant must be sexually mature to flower
sorry, but you need to experiment yourself instead of listening to hearsay on the internet or in books. They don't have to be sexually mature and they don't have to have alternating nodes to flower. I have experimented. It doesn't matter how old the plant is or how big it is. If you put it under 12/12 it will start flowering immediately UNLESS it's an auto strain, then it has to mature before it will flower. Photoperiod plants go by the length of the nights as the sole factor controlling flowering.
 

The Knuck

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sorry, but you need to experiment yourself instead of listening to hearsay on the internet or in books. They don't have to be sexually mature and they don't have to have alternating nodes to flower. I have experimented. It doesn't matter how old the plant is or how big it is. If you put it under 12/12 it will start flowering immediately UNLESS it's an auto strain, then it has to mature before it will flower. Photoperiod plants go by the length of the nights as the sole factor controlling flowering.
Well i have done plenty of "experimenting" and the plant under 12-12 continues to grow until sexual maturity is reached and then begins the flowering process.

so i guess we disagree.
 

cowboylogic

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If you put it under 12/12 it will start flowering immediately UNLESS it's an auto strain, then it has to mature before it will flower. Photoperiod plants go by the length of the nights as the sole factor controlling flowering.
The dark period is when flowering hormones are created. In a sexualy mature plant that is. The light period destroys those hormones. Its not the dark period that controls flowering. Its the shorter light periods not destroying all of the hormones created during the dark period. In a nutshell that is....
 

makinthemagic

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get the light closer for one thing. 6" and 3 nodes is stretched. I have some right now under t-8 flourescents. At 6 days old they 1 1/2" tall with 2 good nodes and the 3rd node just coming out. at 6 inches they should have 6+ nodes. Any more than an inch a node is stretching.
i agree they are stretching a little bit. due to constraints of space and electrical budget, i cannot be running more lights, or relying less on daylight. my current crop was completely vegged on daylight and 27 watts of a desk lamp.
 

cowboylogic

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get the light closer for one thing. 6" and 3 nodes is stretched. I have some right now under t-8 flourescents. At 6 days old they 1 1/2" tall with 2 good nodes and the 3rd node just coming out. at 6 inches they should have 6+ nodes. Any more than an inch a node is stretching.
Anything more than an inch is stretching? Now that is just personal opinion plain and simple............There is no biological or botanical fact to that statement....
 

Brick Top

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They cannot flower until they are sexually mature, when you see alternating nodes.

you dont have alot of time

The hormone that begins the flowering process is in plants from their earliest stages, in fact it is in the seed waiting to become a seedling. Flowering can being as soon as a seedling breaks the soil, but you will not see visible signs of it right away, but once the hours of daylight are 12 hours or less it triggers the hormone to begin flowering.

Regardless of if the growers sees visible signs of flowering already or not, his plants are in the flowering process already.
 

Kerovan

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The dark period is when flowering hormones are created. In a sexualy mature plant that is.
A photoperiod plant doesn't have to be mature, it is the amount of light and nothing else. Right now I have some growing that were put under 12/12 at 9 days from seed, they started flowering immediately. 9 days from seed is nowhere near mature and nowhere near alternating nodes. I have done this before with plants just 3-4 days from seed just to see what happens. They went into flower also, just didn't produce much.
 
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