Medical Scrog: My first Real Grow

[legallyflying]

Hey hulk, thanks for stoppin by and for the comp. I don't really care for flood and drain. I have a couple friends who do it, and it looks like a green algae covered mess. Plus I like the idea of fresh nutes constantly flowing through the root zone when the pumps are on. If I ever grow any other way than scrog I will get an ebb and gro since you can put the buckets directly on the ground and free up some space.

Done properly, ebb and flood should NOT induce algae. The upper 1/4 of the root zone does not need/nor does it like to be constantly flooded. The upper 2" or so of my tables never gets flooded.

 

[teddiekgb123]

Done properly, ebb and flood should NOT induce algae. The upper 1/4 of the root zone does not need/nor does it like to be constantly flooded. The upper 2" or so of my tables never gets flooded.

Ya I'm opting out because of the done properly part. If you were doing a large scale sea of green I can see flood and drain being a good idea, but are there any other advantages to it and how hard is it to keep up with the algae? thanks

 

[teddiekgb123]

.......more roots if you use a mat? hey I could use one with my buckets right? i don't think i would need to though. not exactly sure how big my buckets are but the big 65lb of grow rocks only fills 4, i have them filled to the top. so i got a lot of roots and the top feed...feeds them well. but i'm still interested in better ideas.




*edited because i make a lot of stoner typos when i'm hijh

 

[legallyflying]

Again, there is not one lick of algae in my set up. Nada zip, zero. You could easily convert your system to ebb and flow. They look like 4-5 gallon buckets. Take all your buckets, install 1/2 hoses in each one. These hoses connect to a central 3/4 feed line that leads to the bottom of a control bucket. The control bucket is filled and drained with two pumps and a controller that will cost you $119.

However, I don't see why you would want to convert as your setup is pretty much the same as ebb/flow in terms of remote res and growing medium. I did allot of research before deciding on ebb/flow. I think some systems may eek out a little more performance in terms of growth rates..(aero ponics) but in terms of simplicity and fail safes and lack of tons of gear, ebb and flow can't be beat.

At any rate, your grwo looks fucking awesome.... I wouldn't change a god damn thing if I were you.

 

[teddiekgb123]

Again, there is not one lick of algae in my set up. Nada zip, zero. You could easily convert your system to ebb and flow. They look like 4-5 gallon buckets. Take all your buckets, install 1/2 hoses in each one. These hoses connect to a central 3/4 feed line that leads to the bottom of a control bucket. The control bucket is filled and drained with two pumps and a controller that will cost you $119.

However, I don't see why you would want to convert as your setup is pretty much the same as ebb/flow in terms of remote res and growing medium. I did allot of research before deciding on ebb/flow. I think some systems may eek out a little more performance in terms of growth rates..(aero ponics) but in terms of simplicity and fail safes and lack of tons of gear, ebb and flow can't be beat.

At any rate, your grwo looks fucking awesome.... I wouldn't change a god damn thing if I were you.

thanks for the info. I checked out your grow and I understand now.....good job. Most of the ebbs I've seen use a lot of exposed rockwool and it gets all green and slimy. your avatar looks like me right now

 

[Canibitual]

I get no alge on my tables at all either, but I put my plants in 2gallon pots with Hydroton in them... they flood my 3x3 tables up about 4 inches, which is maybe 3/4 of the pot, so the top never gets too much water (it does get wet thought from capilary action though) the tables were $65 each, and I use Tuff Totes (black totes with yellow lids) for the Res. they are $20 at Lowes Hardware... Beware of Cheap Rubbermaid Crap, Rubbermaid makes the worst Plastics ever, they will leak and bend, the Tuff Totes are listed at 400lbs... they are 27gallons... and work perfect for 3x3 tables...

 

[teddiekgb123]

Sorry I didn't post sooner, been a little busy lately.

So I harvested the cheese 3 days ago. I let them go 8 1/2 weeks which included a 4 day flush. Here's some pics about 20 minutes before I clipped em. I'll be posting the weight soon, I have no idea yet.

Skunk Berry - 1 week left

Vanilla Kush - 7-10 days left

more to come.....enjoy the pics

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[thatoneguy1991]

i love your setup bro! i too live inb michigan and have been trying so hard to get my hands on some cheese clones/seeds, im just waiting for my card to start my grow im going to do a vertical scrog barrel grow, i hope i have around the same yields you get so those r only 7 cheese plants?

 

[Kaptain Kron]

oh man your gonna love that VK its absolutely amazing nice scrog man im doin somthing like this only 2x3 ft with an LED that i decided to try because my temps were soaring in my new area im in now with the 400w i used to run. Never was sold on LED til now it makes my 400 look like a toy in comparison and im using less than half the wattage. I like the grow man i think ill go back and read over the thread and pull up a a chair grow on brotha.

 

[Kaptain Kron]

ah yes the money shot lovely man lovely

For me so far, scrogging during the flower stretch has been like trying to put together a puzzle that's constantly changing shape. Fortunately, about half way through the stretch you can kinda predict what the end picture is going to look like after the stretch, so you get a pretty good idea of which way you need to direct certain parts of the plant in order to end up with a full and even canopy. If you are doing an ever widening circular bush, there is a tendency to end up with a donut hole in the screen above the center of the plant so you have to remember early on to make enough of the lower branches grow towards the center to fill it in. When the plants hit the screen during veg I had to adjust about 25% of the screen every 2 days. When stretch started it went to half the screen and in full stretch I had to adjust every single site every other day. The last part is the tricky one. At first you just make everything grow in the general direction you want, but at the end of stretch you have to put every branch in the proper hole that will allow it be at the right height above the screen and evenly spaced out if you want max potential. So there doesn't end up being a whole lot ways this weed puzzle can fit together. Mine isn't perfect but I was able to keep everything within 2"-3" of each other in height above the screen. The screen actually isn't perfectly flat so some of the branches come out a little more or less to keep everything even. The cheese are done with their stretch and hopefully the skunk and kush are pretty much done too. So, I guess, at this point I get to sit back watch the action with the occasional leaf trimming here and there.

Here's a good pic of the puzzle that is scrog
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[teddiekgb123]

Weights in.....1.73lbs of cheese. That's 4 zips a plant, not too shabby. Going to start flushing the vanilla kush and skunk berry tonight. Looking forward to those two. The cheese turned out really good and I wasn't planning on growing it again but I might change my mind now. I ended up putting both of my 1000's over rest of the screen. I think there's 2.5'x5' of canopy left so I might be going a little overboard with the lights...I like it. I'll post a pic of it later

 

[teddiekgb123]

Too much light? I laugh at myself

2 1000's over 2.5'x5'

Starting flush tonight on my remaining ladies. Had to buy water from the store since my R/O took a dump. Looking forward to it. Sorry, pics are messed up because of the light.

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[Canibitual]

Hi, Very nice grow... looks great...

I checked, but couldn't find info... out of the 1.73lb of the Cheese, What would you say the area size it was in was? I'm just curious to know what the g/ m2 was...

 

[teddiekgb123]

Hi, Very nice grow... looks great...

I checked, but couldn't find info... out of the 1.73lb of the Cheese, What would you say the area size it was in was? I'm just curious to know what the g/ m2 was...

hmmm....the cheese didn't fill up as much of the screen as it could have. I would say it's footprint was 5'L x 4.5"W. That's 22.5 sq.ft./2.09 m2/ 387 grams per m2........wow that's it. Hmmmm well I'll look at it like I got 4 oz's per plant on a 15 day veg. and I'm happy with that.

 

[Kaptain Kron]

yeah i would be happy with that too fifteen days of veg and four zips a plant is bitchin

 

[Canibitual]

anytime you pull 1.7lbs out of a 5ft area, you're gonna be happy...LOL

I'm still working on my setup... lately I've been crowding my plants and it's hurting overall yields... Plus not haveing Co2 is killing me... looks like your setup is doing nice though...

 

[teddiekgb123]

anytime you pull 1.7lbs out of a 5ft area, you're gonna be happy...LOL

I'm still working on my setup... lately I've been crowding my plants and it's hurting overall yields... Plus not haveing Co2 is killing me... looks like your setup is doing nice though...

Ya, that overcrowding issue is a bit tricky. I don't use co2 either and I'm not going to until I can afford a ppm sensor. Trying to set it up on a timer involves more guesswork than I care for. Fortunately, right now, my grow room is in a larger room that happens to also be my bedroom. Lights are on 8pm to 8am, so I provide the plants with co2 while I'm sleeping. Works out pretty well but it requires that I be here every night. the old ball and chain

 

[teddiekgb123]

here's a little bubble hash for ya


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[Kaptain Kron]

hahaha yes plus rep for that one man ahhaa

here's a little bubble hash for ya
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[Kaptain Kron]

i hear that right now im sexing some seedlings in a desk in my room because my veg room is out of space.... I got so many that decided to go different speeds and sizes that i cant put the whole box on 12/12 not to mention im trying to reveg two fat clones someone gave me that were in flowering for a week or two... I have to move my plants in and out of a cardboard box inside my closet every mornign and night lol fun hahah...

Ya, that overcrowding issue is a bit tricky. I don't use co2 either and I'm not going to until I can afford a ppm sensor. Trying to set it up on a timer involves more guesswork than I care for. Fortunately, right now, my grow room is in a larger room that happens to also be my bedroom. Lights are on 8pm to 8am, so I provide the plants with co2 while I'm sleeping. Works out pretty well but it requires that I be here every night. the old ball and chain