Dyna-Gro KLN a synthetic replacement for Great White/H&G Root Excelerator?

[Tiger Woods]

Like the title says? Mainly read its for rooting cuttings?

Trying to find a synthetic replacement.

FYI I'll be using dyna-gro bloom/grow. Subs: pro-tek(dyna) and hydroplex(botanicare)

Thanks for any response/opinion

 

[homebrewer]

Great white is a different animal all together. KLN, based on the ingredients, is like superthrive and should be used when you're looking to establish roots.

Also, you do NOT need hydroplex if you're using DG grow and bloom. Hydroplex is a product intended to boost PK values when your base isn't supplying 'enough'. Dynagro already supplies great NPK ratios which is why you don't need to use boosters with it.

 

[Tiger Woods]

Thanks for posting. If you end up being my only post,so be it. You are one of the main reasons I am making the switch man, much respect.

Fuck the hydroplex than you just saved me 34.95 to boot. I know it probably would of burnt the shit outta my Midnight Kush(blueberry is one sensitive bitch). So do you us the KLN at all? Iam going to try it out since dyna says to us it the 1st 3 wks of veg, is it even necessary? I don't recall you using it at all during your experiment.

Thanks again man
Peace

 

[homebrewer]

Thanks for posting. If you end up being my only post,so be it. You are one of the main reasons I am making the switch man, much respect.

Fuck the hydroplex than you just saved me 34.95 to boot. I know it probably would of burnt the shit outta my Midnight Kush(blueberry is one sensitive bitch). So do you us the KLN at all? Iam going to try it out since dyna says to us it the 1st 3 wks of veg, is it even necessary? I don't recall you using it at all during your experiment.

Thanks again man
Peace

I've seen their suggested feeding chart where they have it included in veg and personally I think it's unnecessary. I do want to try the KLN product but I would only be using it during the cloning stage. Maybe you should run a test during veg to see if it does help root growth which in-turn should aid in speeding up vegetative growth.

 

[Lt. Dan]

Howdy,

NOTE:
I'm a newb.... I don't know what I don't know.....

That said, I started my first grow and decided to try a little experiment (refer to note).
I had 6 beans to germ, (lsd and white widow)

(Row#1) I soaked 2 rockwool 1-1/2" cubes in pH5.5 tap and put 1 of each type of bean.
(Row#2) I then soaked 2 more cubes in pH5.7 tap water with Pro-TeKt and Grow.(beans 1 of each) 1/4 strength
(Row#3) I then soaked 2 more cubes in pH5.8 tap water with Pro-TeKt, Grow, and KLN.(beans 1 of each) 1/4 strength

2 of the LSD's came up first (row #2, then row #1) note: Lsd in row#3 never came up.
The White Widow's all came up (row#1, then row#2, and then row#3) Note: Row#3 WW round leaves never separated, they curled up and turned brown. I thought it was dead, but I left it under light and 5 days later some green poked out from between the dead round leaves.

In this test, I learned that I don't want to add KLN in the seed germination phase.

I was planning on using KLN in early veg, but now I'm a little scared.

Cheers,

 

[Tiger Woods]

HB- I love the KISS approach to to most things in life and on that note want to keep my nutes to a low number. After all nutes are such a small part of growing anyway. IMO 5 or less is all that's nesscary. So if I can have one less supp. to add it'd be a good thing. From the looks of it this is my list(add opinion here) , Dyna grow/bloom, supps. pro-tek(definitely), KLN and great white. The occasional bleach dosing from time to time(at 1ml per 10 gallons). On that note and really the meaning of this thread, using pathogen control(bleach/h2o2) will only kill all the good bacteria the great white provides. My grasp on it that when using GW or RE there's no need to use pathogen control? That's why I was trying to avoid any life in my rez.

I know I don't need it at all for cloneing since iam in aero. Some say clonex,RE,KLN exc... speed up the process I don't think its worht it. Straight tap make them bitches work. That's why I'll only be trying it in veg. Other wise I simply don't need it.

Lt Dan- appreciate the honesty man. Its ok though man we all gotta start some where. Iam still constantly learning. The one advice I can give you besides the all important TELL/TRUST NO ONE!!!!!!! Would be is weave out the bullshit and do a lot of research for yourself. Thers a lot of snake oils and magic sauces(1st thought Advanced Nutes) that will take you for all they can get($).

Enviroment is 1st priorty, ventilation, lights , temp, ph and pathogen control or the up most IMO. Pathogen control still up for debate.

When their seedlings don't give them any thing in my experience(aero) for the first 2-3wks, medium light exc..... depending.

 

[homebrewer]

Tiger - I'm currently testing Great White with DynaGro and the journal pretty much just started. There seem to be a lot of these products on the market which is why i'm interested in seeing if they're worth the trouble. My test, however, wont help you much with your KLN decision.

 

[bob stine]

i use kln just for cloning its the best .....but i dont see any purpose for it outside of this

 

[Tiger Woods]

HB- trust I've been watching your GW journal, just read more than I post. That's not entirely tru either I've read that products like GW and RE or in this case GW and KLN work good together,complamenting each other in a way. One being a hormone(RE/KLN) and the other being Mychorrizal. I've also read though (from the CEO of Dyna) that a sweetner(sweet, bud candy exc..) would help if using a GW and the like to help feed the micros. That's where I really start to question things , adding sugar to rez? Doesn't sit well with me and if I do that I might as well go full blown organic if you catch my drift. That's why I was so hesitant at first about GW/RE but I've read and read and they both get good reviews(GW varied IMO).

Bob- you could definitly be right but we'll see

Peace and Good Vibes

 

[Tiger Woods]

Edit: GW favored IMO

 

[Lt. Dan]

Lt Dan- appreciate the honesty man. Its ok though man we all gotta start some where. Iam still constantly learning. The one advice I can give you besides the all important TELL/TRUST NO ONE!!!!!!! Would be is weave out the bullshit and do a lot of research for yourself. Thers a lot of snake oils and magic sauces(1st thought Advanced Nutes) that will take you for all they can get($).

Enviroment is 1st priorty, ventilation, lights , temp, ph and pathogen control or the up most IMO. Pathogen control still up for debate.

When their seedlings don't give them any thing in my experience(aero) for the first 2-3wks, medium light exc..... depending.

Tiger,

Thanks for the words of encouragement and wisdom.
I've been trying to wade through the BS. There's a lot people with great grows and they all may do it a little differently.
Thanks again,

 

[Wetdog]

I use the K-L-N for cloning and that's it.

1tbl/gallon to soak the cuts in

1tsp/gallon to soak the pucks and subsequent waterings of pucks.

Wet

 

[CoralGrower]

I've been a DG fan for a very long time, but I have never found any need to use their KLN. This is not to say that it doesn't do anything, I just prefer to use some diluted Foliage Pro on seedlings. One less thing to buy, one less thing to add.

 

[Tiger Woods]

It sounds like a waste but coming from Dyna-Gro I would assume it had a purpose in there feeding chart(as they reccomend). Even if that's only for rooting. The CEO of Dyna said you could get threw a whole grow using there foliage pro or maybe their grow I forget which one. What he was saying is. That his basicly giving the people what they want(bloom formula) since most MJ growers have it drilled in their head that you need so much P-K(in flower). That's a whole other discussion though.

Peace and Good Vibes

 

[homebrewer]

The CEO of Dyna said you could get threw a whole grow using there foliage pro or maybe their grow I forget which one. What he was saying is. That his basicly giving the people what they want(bloom formula) since most MJ growers have it drilled in their head that you need so much P-K(in flower). That's a whole other discussion though.

Peace and Good Vibes

Their 7-9-5 grow would be great start to finish, but I've found that mixing it with their 3-12-6 in different ratios throughout the flower cycle works incredibly well.

 

[Tiger Woods]

HB- thanks for clearing that up. Will definitly be using both at what rate/ratio still undecided. Will be using your ratios until I have it dialed in. I agree with you that it should be dialed in to whatever particuliar strain your growing.

Peace bro

 

[Stoner Smurf]

I am not exactly sure what's in roots excelerator, H&G is not too forth coming with that info. But I think KLN is supposed to do the same thing just in a different way. It is probably more like SuperThrive with it's B1, which contrary to popular belief does nothing for mmj when fed through the soil. I did a side by side with SuperThrive, and saw no noticeable difference. It also contains IBA, which is a hormone that is in rooting gels/powders I believe. If that's the case I wouldn't give it to anything flowering for fear of hermies or some other crazy shit. I don't know what happens when you give IBA to a flowering plant.

I was debating trying it in veg, but I am not sold yet. I ordered a small bottle since it's cheap, I may use it in veg I may just use it in my cloner only time will tell.

Now for the synthetic solution to Great White, that is an answer I do have. It's called Zone by Dutch Master. It's a tad on the expensive side but everyone says it works awesome. I just ordered some. A lot of people use it in their UC systems at THCFarmer.

 

[Going2Hell]

Personally, I use KLN for cloning only. there is no other need for it except if you want to, use a diluted formula 1 TSP/GAL immediately after transplant for a week. Helps, not useful on seeds.

 

[BudHound]

Their 7-9-5 grow would be great start to finish, but I've found that mixing it with their 3-12-6 in different ratios throughout the flower cycle works incredibly well.

HB seems like your very active in the forum. Find you in most posts regarding Dyna. Kuddos to you!


Anyhow, good thread. If anyone in this thread is interested in knowing how KLN does ill be posting a journal next week for cloning. Peace. ��

 

[Árboles verdes]

I use the K-L-N for cloning and that's it.

1tbl/gallon to soak the cuts in

1tsp/gallon to soak the pucks and subsequent waterings of pucks.

Wet

Hey do you use kln to water the clones afterwards or just to soak? Because i was thinking of using kln and pro tek for watering my clones. Im using fox farms ocean forrest soil. Any advice?