Cutting Fan Leaves? A Mythbuster style experiment...

Pullin' weeds

Pullin' weeds

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Harrekin said:
No offense but I dont think this experiment will give you the results your looking for...for ANY experiment you need a control, you cant compare results to themselves.
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Again - at it's most basic level, this is to test if one side of the plant effects the other - If I compare one side to the other, and one side does much better than the other, doesn't that tell us something?? How else would you propose to test this?

I'm working with the same clones I have been using for 6 years. It's a perpetual harvest, all plants get the same treatment, as much as I can control anyway. As I said - this is not scientific, just to see if I can get a result. - call all the other plants controls if you want - they're only 10 day apart. I know what I should expect from this plant.
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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A bunch of unappreciative naysayers up in here.

Don't worry about all the flack man. I think the test is worth the time. Just easier for people to bitch on the Internet. Seems like that's what this place is for, telling people why they suck, why their ideas suck, and providing no support themselves. Like people who bitch about politics but also never vote. "I didn't put him in office" they say.

Seems like many people fail to understand that not every plant in the garden must be grown for maximum harvest. Sometimes we have some extra space to have a little fun in. I would like to thank you for taking it upon yourself to carry out any kind of test for the good of the community.

Rock on.
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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Great idea. Subscribed. I would have to agree it is rather a 'loose' experiment, but interesting in its own. And as you have stated, you are aware this is not scientific.

I think a test with 4 clones- each left untrained untopped etc. Cut fan leaves off two and leave the other two to grow as normal....this should show some data as well. IMO, training at the same time as cutting can really throw results off. But again, im subscribed and want to see the results.

Where are we at- veg or bloom?
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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Pullin' weeds said:
Again - at it's most basic level, this is to test if one side of the plant effects the other - If I compare one side to the other, and one side does much better than the other, doesn't that tell us something?? How else would you propose to test this?

I'm working with the same clones I have been using for 6 years. It's a perpetual harvest, all plants get the same treatment, as much as I can control anyway. As I said - this is not scientific, just to see if I can get a result. - call all the other plants controls if you want - they're only 10 day apart. I know what I should expect from this plant.
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You will be able to have the best understanding of the data collected, being you know the genetics and have been working with the strain for several years.

"If I compare one side to the other, and one side does much better than the other, doesn't that tell us something??"

Yes it will tell us what happens when you split a plant and treat it as being two separate plants. Basically, cutting leaves off one side of the plant may prove to affect the other side of the plant. It will not tell if cutting fan leaves is advisable. I believe results of this topic will change from grower to grower, environment to environment and of course- strain to strain.

I have many strains going right now, untopped, untrained, unfucked with. They are all treated the same..the only difference is strain. It is very intersting seeing how these plants take care of themselves. Some are better at training themselves than others, and remember- they want bud production too :)

I believe training and topping is only beneficial to some plants, and not all will prove beneficial. I advise for every grower to just leave the plant (isolated strain) alone and see how it grows on its own- a great understanding of training can be derived from this solely.
 
80mg

80mg

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greenesthaze said:
You need clones to be doing this. If one side of the plant is stressed the whole plant is stressed. Plus its not just weight that they say is gained also potency... sure maybe the other half might be a little bigger but as long as its ALL ONE PLANT it wont be a myth bust or a side won..
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I totally agree. You need clones.

guy incognito said:
This is a mythbuster style experiment. Meaning it's uncontrolled and unreliable and not real science.

I agree with a lot of people here. I just don't understand how this can be accomplished with a single plant. One of the basic legs of the theory you are testing is that "Trimming leaves stresses the plant and weakens it, decreasing the yield."
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Woahhh...someone call the roflcopter so we can medivac this troll to the wambulance....lolllll

Nah Im just being a dick cause im high =p Buttt I do agree with ya in someway.
A)Mythbusters is retarded (but I wanna fuck that chick so bad, I can just tell she sucks a ill dick)
|3 ) I do agree about the stress. I started 2 plants under "LST" and I'm finding that it wouldve grown WAY better
if it had no stress. I guess it makes sense don't it?

BUT I am intrested about topping. I DO believe in topping. Although topping is a form of stres my theory is that when you top a plant, the plant is in the process of growing new groth, so if the growth gets damaged the plant comprimises.

nothingtodeclare said:
as others have said i really think you need two clones from same plant take 2 seeds out of a packet plant them both they are both given same medium same ph'd water same nutes both under equally the same light now 1 plant produced you say 75 gram yield and the other produced you 50 gram yield the one plant you have could take all the stress in the world and still produce you great yield with you stripping fan leaves an when you produced your great yields you will be sayin how stripping the leaves produced excellent results when it could be just a great pheno so with out a control plant there is nothing to compare ie you need to clones from same plant or am i wrong but i still will follow to see what happens good luck as said it is your experiment but as others have said you will not know really if it worked other than it survived the pruining and produce x amount of yield peace
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aeviaanah said:
Great idea. Subscribed. I would have to agree it is rather a 'loose' experiment, but interesting in its own. And as you have stated, you are aware this is not scientific.


I think a test with 4 clones- each left untrained untopped etc. Cut fan leaves off two and leave the other two to grow as normal....this should show some data as well. IMO, training at the same time as cutting can really throw results off. But again, im subscribed and want to see the results.

Where are we at- veg or bloom?
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It is a good idea, but obviously I deffinedly think it should be done with clones. What type of strains are these anyway OP?
 
Pullin' weeds

Pullin' weeds

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aeviaanah said:
I believe results of this topic will change from grower to grower, environment to environment and of course- strain to strain.
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You bring up some good points - the best being above. As I have said (and said over and over), I'm interested for myself, in my own situation, for my own plants.
Thanks for stopping by! - We're about 15days into flower right now :)

While I appreciate everyone's suggestions (not really), they just wouldn't work in my situation. I don't have the space to devote to 2 or 4 or more experimental plants, nor would I be able to keep all the variables constant.
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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Pullin' weeds said:
You bring up some good points - the best being above. As I have said (and said over and over), I'm interested for myself, in my own situation, for my own plants.
Thanks for stopping by! - We're about 15days into flower right now :)

While I appreciate everyone's suggestions (not really), they just wouldn't work in my situation. I don't have the space to devote to 2 or 4 or more experimental plants, nor would I be able to keep all the variables constant.
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Cool bro...i wasn't shootin down your idea just letting you know my opinion of the matter. Ill stick around for updates.
 
Pullin' weeds

Pullin' weeds

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Snow Crash said:
A bunch of unappreciative naysayers up in here.

Don't worry about all the flack man. I think the test is worth the time. Just easier for people to bitch on the Internet. Seems like that's what this place is for, telling people why they suck, why their ideas suck, and providing no support themselves. Like people who bitch about politics but also never vote. "I didn't put him in office" they say.

Seems like many people fail to understand that not every plant in the garden must be grown for maximum harvest. Sometimes we have some extra space to have a little fun in. I would like to thank you for taking it upon yourself to carry out any kind of test for the good of the community.

Rock on.
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Thanks man!
 
hootyhog

hootyhog

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i have found that it is virtually imposible to keep my hands off in the veggie room. i have experimented with 2 clones with interesting results. one was left alone the other was trimmed, 3" or longer fan leaves only. internodle lenght changed somewhat on the trimmed plant.
the interesting part was a clone from each one. the trimmed plant's nodes were really jammed up. the untrimmed plant looked normal.
there was a considerable differance in harvest during round 2.
i normally keep some kind of experiment goin all the time. all results usually end up with the same results, me HIGH !!!!!!!
lookin forward to a good buzz and your results. PEACE
 
Viagro

Viagro

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Insight is gained in many ways, with and without strict protocols. Maybe something will be learned, maybe not, maybe this could just be good fun?

If only that were allowed.
 
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findme

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I believe that the growth will be negligible. why?

well.. i did a test with 2 clones from the same plant. one with leaves cut and the other one without. both rooted at the same time but the one that wasn't trimmed did have a slightly dead leaf but I paid that no mind because as long as it roots, im in business.
 
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Japanfreak

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lol, strict protocols.

I actually like the idea of doing it to one half of the plant because the logic that people who do this put out there is that the energy from the leafs is only used or best used locally so if they are correct you should be able to learn something this way as well. regardless you are going to learn something. Would be cool to follow it up with other tests of course.
 
Viagro

Viagro

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Japanfreak said:
What I find funny is that whenever somebody on a pot board starts an experiment of any kind somebody brings up "strict protocols" or something. It's pretty funny if you think about it.
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That was just a reference to all the noise that this wasn't scientific. Don't see how that's funny.
 
yemeneezer

yemeneezer

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He's right, the whole plant will suffer from the over pruning not just one side. The plant will struggle to meet demands to respire with less surface area resulting in the whole plant being affected. Photosynthesis will also be impaired, meaning less energy, for the plant as a whole to do its job,

Thats basic Botony grounded in science......., uh experiment over I think.
 
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