Japanfreak
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What's funny is that most of us grow in closets, room, garages or outdoors, not in labs. If somebody kicked you in the ass would it hurt if you couldn't measure the pain? If you told me it hurt I might believe you.
Cutting Fan Leaves? A Mythbuster style experiment...
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Japanfreak
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You're assuming that the plant will suffer. Just wait and see.
Viagro
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Oh, I see. Yeah, that was sort of my point..
Harrekin
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Ok the reason I said you need a control plant is that you will get NO verifiable or relevant data from this experiment as it is whatsoever, infact if you carry out this experiment in such an unscientific manner and try to give ANY advice based on your "results" theres an extremely good chance you'll be spreading inaccurate and possibly misleading information to the general forum populace...that is why I consider this experiment to be just wrong to be honest. Its not an experiment even, its more just someone doing something different with their plant, if you just did it for yourself without trying to spread the results thats fine cos you can do whatever to YOUR plants but trying to claim to prove anything by this is just taking the pi$$ to be honest.
EDIT: And for the pain analogy above, if your performed the experiment PROPERLY with measuring equipment and a control, then yes you could prove it hurt...much like if the above "experiment" was performed properly it could actually prove something...however as it stands at the minute it can prove NOTHING.
EDIT: And for the pain analogy above, if your performed the experiment PROPERLY with measuring equipment and a control, then yes you could prove it hurt...much like if the above "experiment" was performed properly it could actually prove something...however as it stands at the minute it can prove NOTHING.
Viagro
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Exactly. Simply for what it's worth.
Scientific method be damned. It's not the be-all-end-all, even in the realm of insight.
This is sort of like searching for God in ways other than measuring cathedrals.
Harrekin
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Im pretty sure the scientific method is the reason your able to sit in your warm house, with your internet connection and pc and be able to type what you just typed...its the reason we've advanced at such a ridiculous rate in the last 120 years...Im pretty sure it is the be all and end all of primary experimentation...psuedo-experiments disregarded.
Pullin' weeds
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Yeah it's pretty funny that a bunch of pot-smokers who cobble together all kinds of shit in basements and attics and call it a grow actually expect SCIENCE.
You want a real scientific experiement that creates data -
GO TO A UNIVERSITY - not a online pot-growers forum.
You want a real scientific experiement that creates data -
GO TO A UNIVERSITY - not a online pot-growers forum.
rasputin71
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Not sure if there are any myth-busters ITT, but there sure are a lot of ball-busters.
resinousflowers
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cutting fan leaves does stress the whole plant.it also slows down growth.when you trim fan leaves in veg the plant compensates by growing more leaves or it makes the leaves it already has bigger.i know this because i i trimmed 2 plants and left 2 alone(same strain)and the trimmed ones at first got serious crows feet due to stress and it took about 20 hours for the leaves to go back to normal,then vertical growth slowed down,then the plants started to focus on making the leaves i left bigger.basically it put all its energy in leaf growth to make up for the ones i removed.so the 2 plants fell behind the other 2 and took longer to flower.
Japanfreak
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So for the good of the community you want people to stop experimenting. OK got it. I bet you have never added anything to the growing knowledge. It's not that I don't think you don't have it in you, but with that kind of thinking nothing gets done. You're a geek.
Japanfreak
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You know something because you did it once and it didn't work? That's enough for you maybe but I see people who make this work and I bet their yields are better than yours, we're talking plus 1gpw. So instead of sharing with the world about your one time failure like you just discovered you have a penis let the guy try his experiment and stfu.
Ok that's it. I promise, I'll be a good boy.
Pullin' weeds
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HAHAHA. thanks
I just pulled 43.4g off of 2-23w cfls (that's .94g/w for those keeping track). they were trained and selectively trimmed... just saying.
Japanfreak
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Holy fuck that's impressive. Ever notice it's the same people crying about science that say you can't grow weed with cfls and they use science to back it up? Crazy. I've seen so many great cfl grows but they are masters of bondage so you know they got to be kinky fucks.
Viagro
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I'm not opposed to science, I've been a natural scientist all my life, science certainly has its place, but not as a football to be kicked around like it has been here.
The scientific method is controversial, even in scientific circles, as is the sort of scientism you seem to espouse. But all this rhetoric is out of context and irrelevant in this thread, that's the point.
Technology existed before science, don't forget that.
Harrekin
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All I was saying was doing an experiment without a control to prove your actually doing something is completly pointless...and Im pretty sure science has been around for thousands of years, even the ancient Greeks did research and theorised about incredibly complex things like the atom.
Anyways, my whole point was all he needs is another clone from the same plant, even grown in party cups, just to compare one against the other...you could even go straight to 12/12 from seed, just you need a control for your experiment...simple as!
Anyways, my whole point was all he needs is another clone from the same plant, even grown in party cups, just to compare one against the other...you could even go straight to 12/12 from seed, just you need a control for your experiment...simple as!
Pullin' weeds
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As I've mentioned - I've got a grow cab full of clones all coming from the same plant years ago. call that control if you must.
A real control, would be identical sized clones grown at the same time under identical conditions - same light intensity, precise nutes, measured amounts of water etc... (Actually it would be hundreds of plants). I'm not set up to provide such conditions (most people aren't), so the idea of control or this being a "real scientific" experiment is moot to begin with.
Just b/c you have an identical plant does not make it a control.
guy incognito
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2 clones taken at the same time and raised side by side would give better results than a single plant though, and I think that's everyone's point. Even if you separate and train each "side" different the things you do won't stay local to their side, it will affect the plant as a whole. I feel the same way. If you trim all the fan leaves on one side of the plant the effects from that, good or bad, aren't going to remain localized to just the side you are trimming, it will probably affect the entire plant.
That's just my opinion though. Maybe one side will be better quality than the other. I'm not sure if that can be attributed to the method of training/trimming on that specific side though. Perhaps it could, but I don't know if one experiment involving a single plant is going to allow you to draw that conclusion correctly.
