How Can We Force Society To Accept Medical Marijuana Use?

[FrankDank420]

What I´m looking for here are new ideas, contributions, on how this can be accomplished, considering the peaceful protests of the past have been a ridiculous failure. Today´s marijuana activist has to be strong enough to make themself heard. Kindly asking for permission from adamant prohibitionists is not the way. What would force the government to come to terms with medical marijuana. If it´s not possible civilly does this pushs us towards a civil war, a nation divided.

 

[mpm04]

Simply put, you cannot force anyone to believe something if they don't want to. The only true way to change their minds is through the understanding of the benefits of medicinal marijuana. Knowledge is our best ally, the majority of people are very naive to MMJ and still see it as a harmful and destructive drug.

 

[cowasaki]

words and information is the only thing that will work... u could try punching someone but it would probably just get u arrested

 

[veggiegardener]

I recently went to a cardiologist.

When I mentioned my recommendation, he began spouting the straight ONDCP crap(basically the same shit Anslinger shoved up the senate's ass).

Well, I told him that his credibility had just been demolished, and suggested he do some reading.(BTW, he's 67)

He seemed very interested, and put himself 20 minutes behind for his next appointment, asking questions and taking down site names.

I'll follow up in 6 months, when I go back.

IMHO, one on one presentations of FACTS is the only way to fight the stupidity so apparent in the opposition.

 

[deprave]

the enemy in this war is the propaganda and the lack of education on marijuana medical and recreational, we need to get people educated, thank god for the internet and freedom of speech on the internet because the more people get on the internet and google marijuana the more people will become on our side, it is also true for other lies and propaganda our governments have pushed, the internet, power to the people, it will lead this revolution if we can keep net neutrality.

Medical Marijuana
Wikileaks
Agriculture
Energy

Whats next?

Free the People! FOR SCIENCE!


I had the pleasure to interview a doctor from Virginia over some drinks during a new years eve party. The man was totally against medical marijuana, the conversation lead in with him making statements such as "medical marijuana thats a joke" and quoting even DEA rhetoric, as the conversation went on I believe I convinced him of the truth, he asked complex questions like "how can you treat a condition when your pulling from a different genepool each time"(paraphrasing), I told him exactly how we do it, we find a strain that treats for example inflammation and we clone it over and over....etc...

Another point he went back to a few times was that smoking anything is terribly unhealthy, I told him about the other methods of delivery such as ingestion and oils, I told him how smoking while it can be theraputic for most people and illnesses is generally just a recreational thing for fun and that most of the medicine is taken orally, I told him how people who only find relief from smoking can use vaporization as a healthier alternative...Anyway this conversation went on all night with breaks and pauses...by the end of the night he was strongly convinced, I don't recall exactly what his closing statements where due to my high level of intoxication but the general idea of it is that he was convinced medical marijuana was a legitimate drug, I shot down every statement he made and answered every question thoroughly, I will see next year what his opinion is when he returns to visit from Virginia. I hope he at least got the inspiration to do some research himself when he returns home. I told him the stories of my patients, I told him of rick simpson, I told him of the official studies, of the AMA's approval, I told him about the federal medical marijuana program, I told him how it was going to be mainstream in the next few years, he knew NOTHING about ANY of this, only DEA/FED rhetoric and whatever they teach in medical school at Virginia.

 

[I already Node]

I don't know if this will help but here you go!
https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/404622-alcohol-vs-marijuana-vs-cigarettes.html

 

[lowerarchy]

Society accepts medical marijuana already.

You can't force the government to change anymore than the government can force you to change. The very fact that we're here discussing this topic proves it: even under a very strict prohibition, we still do what we do.

Not only that, but this is a very low-value political issue. Nobody can go out on out on a limb for anything, let alone scrambling out on a shaky thin twig that supports a handful of hard-to-treat patients with rare ailments.

 

[WeedFreak78]

Trying to force someone to believe in something they dont will only lead to more resistance.An example that comes to mind is homosexual rights,where in certain parts of the country instead of trying to get the populous on their side the gays tried legislating their acceptance which led to major resistance.We need to keep educating, keep sites like this active,and stay vocal to our friends,family and elected representatives.We also NEED to keep educating the people in the pot smoking communities, the more educated we sound the better our chances, just one idiot making dumb statements can nullify 10 peoples reasonable arguments.I personally believe the next 5 yrs we are going to see major changes, with possible Fed deregulation within 10 yrs. Patience and perseverence.....

 

[WhiteWidower123]

What I´m looking for here are new ideas, contributions, on how this can be accomplished, considering the peaceful protests of the past have been a ridiculous failure. Today´s marijuana activist has to be strong enough to make themself heard. Kindly asking for permission from adamant prohibitionists is not the way. What would force the government to come to terms with medical marijuana. If it´s not possible civilly does this pushs us towards a civil war, a nation divided.

I almost feel like your not looking around you to see whats happening. In the last midterm election atleast 3 passed medical mariuanna, bringing the number of state up to 15+DC, with many more trying in the next primary election, and many states are starting to accept the idea because of its taxable income.

The first state to legalize MJ was California in 1996
In 1998 3 more legalized
2000 and 3 more legalized
since 2002 9 more states have legalized
in 2010 we got 3 more states AGAIN

and in these states there has not been dangerous oposition (opisition, but never dangerous or real ones). I wouldnt say we won, but we are winning. And even THINKING about violence over pot is rediculous. I understand rights and what not, Im a major gun owner, and major supporter of overthrowing fucked up governments (when they are youre OWN) when they step on your rights, but I think ill reserve CIVIL WAR for something a little more important to my day to day life.

 

[WhiteWidower123]

Its been 14 years since legalization began and weve gained 15 states + DC. It doesnt seem like we are getting anywhere because we want things to happen NOW. but there are only elections every 2 years, so theres only been 7 thus far. ALSO, you cant even get it on the ballot without getting sigs and all kinds of things that simply ARNT HAPPENING in some states. You cant make a law or repeal a law without first following procedure, so I would recomend the first step for anyone to take in the fight for legalization is look into your own town/state and see whats being done, if the awnser is nothing or not enough, then go do something.

 

[WhiteWidower123]

It also occurs to me that any sort of violence in the name of pot will not only stop our movement, but demolish every bit of credibility we have ever had. You say being nice and peacefull doesnt work? i disagree, i think its the ONLY reason people are listening to us, because they arnt AFRAID of us. Im not going to replace the current drug cartels by going on and killing my own countrymen for something that I can still get for 60 bucks whenever I need it. We arnt really fighting for our ability to smoke are we? we smoke... we have been, we are, and we will... we are fighting for the freedom to OPENLY smoke... that honestly seems way less important to me.

 

[psychedelictripper]

There are a lot of misconceptions that need to be looked at. Up until fairly recently the only reason I never Smoked pot was because smoke is very bad when you have asthma. Thanks to America's love affair with cars and pollution a whole lot of people have respiratory illnesses. It's always smoke smoke smoke. Well I discovered vaporizers and I found the solution I needed and so many others needed. There are so many people on the fence. Vaping is a way to get more people on the side of the cause. One major benefit that will entice many is vaporizers save money and or make your stuff last longer. Some would argue they create a stronger high. I'm not here to debate that since I've only smoked a few times and it was painful more than enlightening.

I still say hemp as in industrial hemp must also be pushed hard. It would create jobs. Embrace the agrarian way and to hell with industrialization.

Then there are all the myths about what marijuana does to you. It's like anything else you have to take it in moderation and at the right times. There is a perception that if it is legal people will be getting stoned on their coffee breaks. There is this perception that people are going to get behind the wheel of a car just because it would be legal oh I don't know like getting drunk at 8 a.m., tailgating to the football game and driving home at 6 p.m. with 20 beers in you. When people think of pot they think of Cheech & Chong which is basically a cartoon. There is the perception that getting high lasts for days on end. I can tell you this alcohol lasts a whole lot longer. Only time and abstinence make booze wear off. With pot all you have to do is eat. I don't have a great deal of experience but my longest high was maybe 8-12 hours. I allowed it to last though. I think you're more in control of pot compared with alcohol. You know what you've got after the 1st toke but with some alcohols and especially mixtures it can be sneaky.

I really do think if industrial hemp could be deregulated and either the person on the fence or the one opposed could see the jobs it could create for local communities they'd open up more to pot. There is no reason for hemp to be illegal. You can't get high off of industrial hemp so no one cares. That is the main problem. You can't run marathons until you learn how to walk. Organizations like norml are beating a dead horse and coming across like whiny teenagers. America needs to be free again and hemp is one solution that must be explored.

 

[WhiteWidower123]

There are a lot of misconceptions that need to be looked at. Up until fairly recently the only reason I never Smoked pot was because smoke is very bad when you have asthma. Thanks to America's love affair with cars and pollution a whole lot of people have respiratory illnesses. It's always smoke smoke smoke. Well I discovered vaporizers and I found the solution I needed and so many others needed. There are so many people on the fence. Vaping is a way to get more people on the side of the cause. One major benefit that will entice many is vaporizers save money and or make your stuff last longer. Some would argue they create a stronger high. I'm not here to debate that since I've only smoked a few times and it was painful more than enlightening.

I still say hemp as in industrial hemp must also be pushed hard. It would create jobs. Embrace the agrarian way and to hell with industrialization.

Then there are all the myths about what marijuana does to you. It's like anything else you have to take it in moderation and at the right times. There is a perception that if it is legal people will be getting stoned on their coffee breaks. There is this perception that people are going to get behind the wheel of a car just because it would be legal oh I don't know like getting drunk at 8 a.m., tailgating to the football game and driving home at 6 p.m. with 20 beers in you. When people think of pot they think of Cheech & Chong which is basically a cartoon. There is the perception that getting high lasts for days on end. I can tell you this alcohol lasts a whole lot longer. Only time and abstinence make booze wear off. With pot all you have to do is eat. I don't have a great deal of experience but my longest high was maybe 8-12 hours. I allowed it to last though. I think you're more in control of pot compared with alcohol. You know what you've got after the 1st toke but with some alcohols and especially mixtures it can be sneaky.

I really do think if industrial hemp could be deregulated and either the person on the fence or the one opposed could see the jobs it could create for local communities they'd open up more to pot. There is no reason for hemp to be illegal. You can't get high off of industrial hemp so no one cares. That is the main problem. You can't run marathons until you learn how to walk. Organizations like norml are beating a dead horse and coming across like whiny teenagers. America needs to be free again and hemp is one solution that must be explored.

I agree with you to a point, but Ive also looked into hemp product and im a little underwhelmed. ever woreh hemp clothes? probably not cause their uncomfortable as shit. And I really believe that if is a chance to create jobs and stimulate economy, then INSTEAD, walmart is just going to grow huge feilds of it and gather it with tractors and machines. itll take 5 people to gather thousands of pounds. I agree wtih you that hemp is something that COULD make jobs, and SHOULD be legalized and pushed and explored, your totally right, but I also think ur underestimating corperate greed, ability, resources, and straight up corporate-government ties.

 

[psychedelictripper]

I'm not underestimating them. The idea is a public stance against them. Clothing is not the only thing. How about rope for example. Almost all rope is made out of plastic. Where is that? Some town in the deep south that has toxic waste swamps? Hemp makes very nice rope. Since it can be grown locally where ever you are then the same area it is produced can also process and manufacture it. It's not a new idea, it's how it used to be. It's an agrarian concept.

My idea is you have a lot of people out of work. You have small farmers being squeezed out by corporate farmers like monsanto. Unite those two and raise hell locally no matter where you are to see it through. You might want to mix in the 2nd amendment as well to act as a serious deterrent to foreign intervention(government). States' rights.

This problem is going to bite people in the ass before too long. Gas prices are on the rise again and you can expect food prices to follow. People need to take back their own communities. The whole middle east is about to blow up in our faces. If or rather when it happens people are going to be left stranded.

We rely too much upon corporate entities to provide us with everything. Hemp can break the chains that corporate polluters have around us. It's also a stepping stone for those who react to marijuana in the same way they do terrorist.

I wonder if anyone has ever tasted a peanut that wasn't roasted or salted. They taste as plain as their cousin the legume. They certainly don't taste like Jiff. Hemp seeds can replace or cut into that industry. They also happen to be more nutritious and have less problems. In many ways I see hemp being extremely related to sunflowers. So many foods use sunflower products. Most of the sunflower production has to be transported to other states. This is a complete waste.

The government can make arguments about marijuana but let's see them argue hemp. They can't but unfortunately those running most of the campaigns only focus on marijuana. Hemp isn't sexy I guess. During WWII my father had to pick it for the war effort. They made life preservers out of it. It just grew all over Long Island. Let's see one of these fat cats who do donate to marijuana campaigns put some money behind hemp. Hemp is not even a word people think of.

 

[VER D]

put a gun to there head and be like you see this this some good shit and then you take a hit and blow the smoke in there face

 

[WhiteWidower123]

I'm not underestimating them. The idea is a public stance against them. Clothing is not the only thing. How about rope for example. Almost all rope is made out of plastic. Where is that? Some town in the deep south that has toxic waste swamps? Hemp makes very nice rope. Since it can be grown locally where ever you are then the same area it is produced can also process and manufacture it. It's not a new idea, it's how it used to be. It's an agrarian concept.

My idea is you have a lot of people out of work. You have small farmers being squeezed out by corporate farmers like monsanto. Unite those two and raise hell locally no matter where you are to see it through. You might want to mix in the 2nd amendment as well to act as a serious deterrent to foreign intervention(government). States' rights.

This problem is going to bite people in the ass before too long. Gas prices are on the rise again and you can expect food prices to follow. People need to take back their own communities. The whole middle east is about to blow up in our faces. If or rather when it happens people are going to be left stranded.

We rely too much upon corporate entities to provide us with everything. Hemp can break the chains that corporate polluters have around us. It's also a stepping stone for those who react to marijuana in the same way they do terrorist.

I wonder if anyone has ever tasted a peanut that wasn't roasted or salted. They taste as plain as their cousin the legume. They certainly don't taste like Jiff. Hemp seeds can replace or cut into that industry. They also happen to be more nutritious and have less problems. In many ways I see hemp being extremely related to sunflowers. So many foods use sunflower products. Most of the sunflower production has to be transported to other states. This is a complete waste.

The government can make arguments about marijuana but let's see them argue hemp. They can't but unfortunately those running most of the campaigns only focus on marijuana. Hemp isn't sexy I guess. During WWII my father had to pick it for the war effort. They made life preservers out of it. It just grew all over Long Island. Let's see one of these fat cats who do donate to marijuana campaigns put some money behind hemp. Hemp is not even a word people think of.

This is CRAZY. Ive never taken a solid stand like this on any forum but you are INSANE. you serious read the facts i showed u about the progress of legalization, and how it WILL be legal soon, and you STILL want to threaten to kill people over hemp? Thats insane. Im not one of those "violence is never the awnser people" but your talking about a violent uprising over WEED. The ONLY thing that will do is stop our movement dead in the tracks and show that potheads are unstabel and violent.

I really hope nothing like this happens, because A i dont want to see the damage to our movement, and B if a group every violently rose against the government over hemp, id be against you, id fight you. Ill fight for life over drugs and hemp any day. America has shit tons of oil, we havnt been drilling at any rate that is seriously depleting our oil, we are fastly moving to nuclear energy, huge breakthroughs are in the mist for coal (my stepfather being one of the people doing this research)... all that is going for us, but u want to still violently uprise for hemp?

Your crazy, ur not the kind of stoner i wish to associate with.

 

[WhiteWidower123]

I'm not underestimating them. The idea is a public stance against them. Clothing is not the only thing. How about rope for example. Almost all rope is made out of plastic. Where is that? Some town in the deep south that has toxic waste swamps? Hemp makes very nice rope. Since it can be grown locally where ever you are then the same area it is produced can also process and manufacture it. It's not a new idea, it's how it used to be. It's an agrarian concept.

not underestimating who? walmart? are you saying that these farmers and families are going to grow hemp (appearantly everywhere) and somehow, on their own, market, sell, transport, and make a business off of the hemp, WITHOUT looking to any corporations. Your further saying that a majority of society will seek out these small farmers for hemp products OVER going down the street to target. Youre ALSO saying, that with everyone growing this hemp that grow in 4 months and produces massive amounts of fibre (thats why people like it) there is actually going to be a major need for it? Now my third point could be canceled by the fact that only farmers have alot of land, but look around the site, we all know you dont need much land. Furthermore farmers run into the same issue TODAY. the government hands out money to farmers to NOT grow food in order to keep supply at a level thats profitable. look it up.

 

[Girdweed]

1. Money

2. Propaganda

3. Gimmickry


The MMJ movement will never be fully accepted unless the strategy is shifted and there is enough financial interest to purchase influence. Legal marijuana isn't good for the marijuana growers, the alcohol business, the cigarette business, or the pharmaceutical business. Big alcohol, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharm have lots of dough and political power. Plus, they are all three willing to blatantly lie to sell more of their products.


Most of the marijuana users that I know don't like politics. This is a political issue.

If someone could figure out how to tie the right to grow pot in with the right to bear arms, some traction may be gained

 

[WhiteWidower123]

1. Money

2. Propaganda

3. Gimmickry


The MMJ movement will never be fully accepted unless the strategy is shifted and there is enough financial interest to purchase influence. Legal marijuana isn't good for the marijuana growers, the alcohol business, the cigarette business, or the pharmaceutical business. Big alcohol, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharm have lots of dough and political power. Plus, they are all three willing to blatantly lie to sell more of their products.


Most of the marijuana users that I know don't like politics. This is a political issue.

If someone could figure out how to tie the right to grow pot in with the right to bear arms, some traction may be gained

so again, your saying that hemp is worth killing people? I want you to confirm or deny that. Is hemp worth killing people?
lastly, i just remembered the fucking megafarms they where going to build in cali if cannabis was fully legalized there, they where going to mass produce hemp by the thousands of pounds... and your telling me that EVEN THOUGH that was already in the plans in california, that SOMEHOW, that WONT happen next time?

 

[WhiteWidower123]

When cannabis is legalized, its going to be dominated by large businesses. We are going to have big oil, big tobacco, and big cannabis. thats how its going to be, your just insane if u think otherwise. look at how profitable hemp is, if u could harvest bud AND use the plant and get 100% returns on every inch of fibre in the field, you could make SERIOUS money... and ur saying that the corps ARNT going to jump on that? ur just blindly calling for death and violence with no thought on whats going to happen when its over... in the end nothing will change except now youll be a murdering asshole.