Dutchmasters Reverse,a study of hermie's.

terrance.jbatey

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go take a peak in my profile.........i might post sum of the pics up here.........udk yet....jus gettn the links to work........worked it out....lolz to blazed atm.....got 20\25 diff strains atm in my bowl........n all diff......:leaf:
 

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terrance.jbatey

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o.k so a update on this..........it has had a wiked effect on a hemrie that was caught b4 hand...all the seed pods have turned to vuvlas.....with fur ...and dropped their seeds......one plant didnt respond tho.......yet anyhow........might have toup the dosage for the particular one.......but yes ...full female growth from a hermie......done twice in a row now....whats that sayn second tyms a charm
 

terrance.jbatey

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so yes id say there is sumthin in the reverse dong its job well......i dont need to even pick seeds..theyve all turned to vulvas(females part of a bud..or so i think thats the name of it.)anyhow.......full hermie turned female....again.....and all seed sacks lost their seeds and turned femanine......... ill keep u posted but i am quite sure it neutralizes the pollen also.....coz when i was doing a big patch it worked beutifully also.......no other hermies outa that grow either.......but ill keep u guys posted using potash + seems to help it increase to full female.....is another thing ive noticed......
 

terrance.jbatey

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i do actually they can manipulate molecular structures making the plant a super crop if u constantly change ur hydro nutrient after every few litres is finnished....grab a diff brand one they have diff nutrients that change its molecular structure...so in effect ur always changing up ur hydroponics...this usually results in the best kick ass bud.........and is nothing near the first strain it come from..its parent............takes on some representations of its parent plant in colour as itll b the first to show trait wise but after that it changes as u change to diff brands..jus make sure they are all top shelf like dutch fest\dutch master\cyco platinum\powergro ect ect ect differnet colours and formulars recipies change its molecular structure )but always constantly change up when budding........i also do so when vegging personally.....n i bn growin for quite sum tym...but it does change the molecular structure in that diff brands have diff additives and such....u can even get flavoured ones......but it makes it so the plant has to adapt to it.. genticly which makes it a much superior strain..as it takes in diff formulas ..i personally call it super croppn coz whateva strain ur using will come out soooo diff from the strain u started with and more potent....by so much.....i think the phenotypes are the key with reverse its done wonder's for me....i think it isolates the male part of the flowering bud...and enhances the female hormones while tryna cancel out the other male ones to a balance its why i use full strength for hermies(40 ml's) alone and sumtymes more if its straight up male looking at start of flowering but i also use it with potash+ i think because the potash plus is used to enhance ur fem aspects of a grow and hormones it actually helps the reverse out alot imo...ive seen seed pods turn into glands that drop a tiny almost unseeable sumtymes seeds and then start resin production from the outer shell but it has to b green and not to formed if they are take em off....butthe usually drop the seeds and start producing pistils and resin sacks without seeds....if they are tiny let em go a day or two max.....u can get really good results outa reverse its amazing to see the pods turn into pods filln with pistils and good bud and no seed at all.......it works wonders on hermies imho...ive seen it produce miricles.....but ive always used additives also foilar and other products like liquid light(it really is the shit.trust me ...add 26\27 aint bad either.thru both cycles...liquid light basicly doubles the light intake ur plant is able to absord giving it more growth in general up to 60 percent more.example ..so say ur using a 400 wat hps light and u use liquid light ud get the results of having a 600 watt light with a four....so yes it is the ish.....maximizes yeild and is good for people without good lights as hps or mh...i think l.e.d's aint bad either but as a secondary souce such as corners and floors ) :)
 

terrance.jbatey

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Picture 404.jpg this is a female plant(either white widow crossed with mangoes or vice versa...but by tym im done it'll b tottaly different strain) that was hermie....using potash + & reverse perfectly fine female now at 4 weeks....sum are just tipping like this one here others are full decent chunks....buthard to take under my lights....radiation of the light interfears with the signal...........i have a better pic up soon but the downside is i have one but im in it also ........but it clearly shows the transformation of what were seed sacks turn into female sacks......ill have to re-crop it b4 i drop it up......but this does work ive had big ratios out doors also and found it to b relvevent on the average of 1% that wont work.&if they are male altogether ....damn not an easy feat.....u need more than just reverse...in that case scenario.. ive done a few grow's now with it..this is around my fifth..it at the end of the day it comes down to if u feed it the right ratio it will return full female.and take the right actions.....altho i gotta admit reverse does make it a hell of alot easyier..but ill get u my results in a few weeks.......pretty sure i have full blown females...like the last hermies i had ..:leaf:...but ill get back to you
 

Maximus cannabis

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View attachment 1389881 this is a female plant(either white widow crossed with mangoes or vice versa...but by tym im done it'll b tottaly different strain) that was hermie....using potash + & reverse perfectly fine female now at 4 weeks....sum are just tipping like this one here others are full decent chunks....buthard to take under my lights....radiation of the light interfears with the signal...........i have a better pic up soon but the downside is i have one but im in it also ........but it clearly shows the transformation of what were seed sacks turn into female sacks......ill have to re-crop it b4 i drop it up......but this does work ive had big ratios out doors also and found it to b relvevent on the average of 1% that wont work.&if they are male altogether ....damn not an easy feat.....u need more than just reverse...in that case scenario.. ive done a few grow's now with it..this is around my fifth..it at the end of the day it comes down to if u feed it the right ratio it will return full female.and take the right actions.....altho i gotta admit reverse does make it a hell of alot easyier..but ill get u my results in a few weeks.......pretty sure i have full blown females...like the last hermies i had ..:leaf:...but ill get back to you
Just to be sure we understand, you are changing the plants genetics by changing the food supply? And Reverse changes male plants to female?
 

terrance.jbatey

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yes correct after yrs and yrs of experimenting i have found out that changing up hydroponic solutions(diff brands,companies lol)will make a plant way more superior to others..&deff so much more potent ,...it actually changes the whole of the bud.....at first one has the normal straits of that plant but as one starts to change up the nutrients (explained above)and as u switch up use diff top shelf nutrients you will end up super cropn ur plant as i call it...(so every tym u finnish a bottle of a&b nutrients switch up to another brand,,beacuse of the diff recipie and colours enzymes ect )...your plant will actually thriive on the changes in appetite and difference in nutrients(much like us humans dont like bn fed the same meal every day for yrs on end i take it ) altering its molecular structure to accept the new formulas,each tym u change formula a different ratio of nutrients is ingensted &there fore the plant changes due to changing the formulaz&buds takes on difff appearance as its molecular structure changes to suit for the new needs of the nutrients uptake (my theory here is that altering its hydroes every tym one finnishes a allocateed lot of hydro nutrient change it over to sumthin else...reamain top shelf is recommended unless u have experience mixing nutrients to hydro fomulars..(i usually do but can mix my own nutrients also...jus preffer on most to go pre made )anyhow as u change it up each tym it takes on different apreances and shades of colour.(you will see the changes as u change nutrients trust me i can grow outdoors that people cant tell apart from full blown indor hydroes grown normaly altho i do with my hydroes also & others have actually thought better of the outdoors.ive supercropped to normal hydroes..u get around town.but then again ....my hydroes supercropped...ohhh delicious..splendid....)....and the smell is so potent is almost ridiculous....but the answer to your question is yes........i really think it benifits the plant as it has variety of diff nutrient uptakes that basicly force it to change molecular structure..with each change....but the plant usually does this with ease and actually it increases potency and yeild.......and actually the stoned of the bud....it seems to me ive noticed using this method that the buds take on both strains(indica and sativa)type of stoned bring the best out in both.and gives u a hell of a boddy stonned with a majour head stoned....my last ones i done made ur head go litterally numb.and not for mere min's but for quite a decent tym.....(no bullshit my last strain was cryptonite...self created strain kicked ass wikedly....and im no new comer to weed)and 2 answer ur other question about the reverse and potash + yes i have seen it change hermies and males...but males require beyond the normal dosage......if they aint hermies...but its also a preventative used correctly also.....but yes i have seen it work perfectly......turn ball sacks to actual resin glands wit no seed.......its all about experience i guess..males are deff harder to get a fixed dosage on id never ever use less than 40 ml..........but give it crack let me know how u go..on either ..if sumone wants to take that task on hand...(since its a growers secret i of mine i was rather reluctant to actually say anything about it..the super cropping i meant....so give a go...let me no how u go)...cool...otherwise ...ill drop my next crop up i super crop....which is basicly all of them these days why not get the best outa ur crops......???there is no reason u cant.......i have a male im experementing on atm ill try to get some doses for males for ya..i wont lie sum males wont respond at all but they wont it wont infect ur other crops neutralizing the pollen of the male always happens in my case's ive noted ) but i think that has more to do with strains when turning back female..than da reverse .i think the answer to that one lies in the potash + with reverse combined it gives extra fem aspect to the femanine hormone i think of m.j plants ...but always use reverse as a preventative...and u usually use during veg use half strenght untill almost flower tym id say a fortnight b4 hand.....and continue thru full strength like i said b4 i really have had great results with it in quite a few situations now.......its also possible to femanize ur seeds using it ive bn told dont dilute it tho.&also to dilute it ....both work ...ill get my numbers for u on that but it seems effective imo ive not had male problems with any seeds ive femanized either.....note this also makes male pollen obsolete as it dont affect the other plants unless contact has bn made by them plants but when u have one hermie in the room or male always do the others also jus to b sure.....but to answer ur question yes and yes.........sorry for rambling on a bit.im quite blazed.....blaze on people.....lolz......:leaf:
 

terrance.jbatey

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quick question...have u guys actually tried the old path of taking of nuts and nipping it in the bud with a pin......i know its ...old school .&tym consuming ....i grew sum killer's with that style.without reverse of hermies ..but anyhow this helps also ....if u get strickly male plants do this also..IF SACKS ARE TOO BIG RIP EM,..comb the upward buds with a pin.CAREFULLY OTHERWISE use revesre and potash +..jus thought id ask ..ive done it both ways...ALWAYS MAKE SURE.....GOTTA ..LOL....AND A QUICK HINT ON CLONES&GENERATIONS DEGRADING AFTER MANY CYCLES IF U SUPER CROP CLONES .....U DONT EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS .....ALWAYS POTENT NEVER LOOSE POTENCY..ive not had it happen yet.&i bn doing so for ages ....all crystaline beutifull buds.....dank as hell......ive bn told over duration if u keep cloning the same type that it looses potency and turn to gabage ...mabbe anywhere inbetween 6 to tenth cycle and ive expreienced it also ......but never wit supercropn ....strange but true.....do u guys do any regenerations sorry changed the topic?????
 

mindphuk

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.........sorry for rambling on a bit.im quite blazed.....blaze on people.....lolz......:leaf:
You are not only rambling but combining nonsense with bullshit.

If your plants take off after changing nutes, I suggest you stick with those, maybe the first ones you used weren't as complete.

When trying to decipher your post, I read everything after your theory and have only one thing to say
(my theory here is that altering its hydroes every tym one finnishes a allocateed lot of hydro nutrient change it over to sumthin else...reamain top shelf is recommended unless u have experience mixing nutrients to hydro fomulars..(i usually do but can mix my own nutrients also...jus preffer on most to go pre made )anyhow as u change it up each tym it takes on different apreances and shades of colour.(you will see the changes as u change nutrients trust me i can grow outdoors that people cant tell apart from full blown indor hydroes grown normaly altho i do with my hydroes also & others have actually thought better of the outdoors.ive supercropped to normal hydroes..u get around town.but then again ....my hydroes supercropped...ohhh delicious..splendid....)....and the smell is so potent is almost ridiculous....but the answer to your question is yes........i really think it benifits the plant as it has variety of diff nutrient
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Maximus cannabis

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You are not only rambling but combining nonsense with bullshit.

If your plants take off after changing nutes, I suggest you stick with those, maybe the first ones you used weren't as complete.

When trying to decipher your post, I read everything after your theory and have only one thing to say
(my theory here is that altering its hydroes every tym one finnishes a allocateed lot of hydro nutrient change it over to sumthin else...reamain top shelf is recommended unless u have experience mixing nutrients to hydro fomulars..(i usually do but can mix my own nutrients also...jus preffer on most to go pre made )anyhow as u change it up each tym it takes on different apreances and shades of colour.(you will see the changes as u change nutrients trust me i can grow outdoors that people cant tell apart from full blown indor hydroes grown normaly altho i do with my hydroes also & others have actually thought better of the outdoors.ive supercropped to normal hydroes..u get around town.but then again ....my hydroes supercropped...ohhh delicious..splendid....)....and the smell is so potent is almost ridiculous....but the answer to your question is yes........i really think it benifits the plant as it has variety of diff nutrient
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So it wasn't just me then...
 

elduece

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I'm probably on my 7th or 10th cycle growing self pollinated bagseed since the first time using the combo. NO OTHER FACTORS HAVE BEEN CHANGED IN MY GROWING METHODS. Instructions for reverse is really easy, nothing fancy or mysterious about it. Since using it = zero seeds, zero pollinations, few impotent bananas at maturity and for certain NO MORE HOURS OF PICKING BANANAS PLANT TO PLANT during weeks 4-8.

The OP and detractors are probably too stoned or distracted to do proper measuring or think they're above absorbing simple instructions and deviated like using alternate "surfactants" soaker soaps etc than what's mentioned in the instructions or they're just shmucks jumping conclusions. This stuff does work quite effectively whether it's labeled DM gold line, saturator/penetrator etc.
 

mindphuk

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I get zero seeds, zero bananas, and I have never sprayed a drop of Reverse. I guess personally I don't see a need. If I find a lineage that was giving me hermie problems, I think I would just not clone here and grow something else rather than fuck around with this stuff. Just MHO.

BTW, I am interested in Liquid Light. Has anyone used that?
 

Maximus cannabis

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I think that with weed as in people, if you start with bad genetics, it's really a crap shoot. I've had bag seed that hermied on me and if I had this product, I probably could have stopped them. I've never tried to convert a male to female, which I don't think is possible. You could probably use this stuff to have a very weak male that has female flowers, but nothing I would smoke, but I'm a weed snob so....

I can see the application of this if you have suspect genetics, or your plan normally stresses out plants, like you have bad lighting, use a ton of chemicals, etc. Otherwise, if you have a strain that hermies, get a new strain. There are a few other strains out there, I've looked... :weed:

I may keep some around in case I ever get a strain that hermies a lot, but if that happens, I'll just move on.

Interesting topic up until a few days ago... :wall:
 

Maximus cannabis

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To be fair, I doubt it is anything bad for you, just some plant whore-moans.
Yeah, if you read the info, it just suppresses the hormone that allows for male flowers, so probably wont hurt you. My point is that maybe it's better to start with a good set of genes than trying to beat one into submission.

Can't make a ho a housewife...
 

mindphuk

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My point is that maybe it's better to start with a good set of genes than trying to beat one into submission.
Right, which is a reiteration of the point I made just before yours. I'm pretty sure we are both in agreement but I was just responding to the post by farmboss. I get irritated when people assume that 'chemicals' are bad for you without realizing that everything in life in merely chemicals. Water is a chemical.

Without going OT too much, this idea that 'chemicals' and 'synthetic' is somehow worse than 'natural' and 'organic' is annoying to me. I know for a fact that good inorganic nutrients (I can't call them completely synthetic since many compounds are derived from natural sources) can grow plants just as well if not better than organic methods (which of course cannot be completely organic in the true sense since they also use many inorganic substances that are naturally derived). The question I had is whether taste and smokability is improved with organic growing, something that is reasonable to consider since a) it is claimed by many people that organic just tastes better, and b) organic compounds may very well provide substances that alter the manufacture of terpenes and related compounds. Not everything the plant takes in has to be considered a nutrient as there might be other regulating factors as yet unknown.

I did an informal experiment. When I need a new mother, I put my old one in flower and replace it with a clone. My mothers are in soil so I ran a Super Soil method for her side-by-side with my hydro setup using DM Gold A & B and h2o2.
I kept the two harvests separate and offered up A/B comparisons to some friends/acquaintances, a few of which consider themselves pot snobs. They filled out the smoke report form from another website. They compared everything from looks, taste, and high. They were not told that one was organic and the other not as to not influence them. The results were that even people that believe that organic always tastes better, that synthetic nutes leave a 'chemmy' taste, no one could determine that either of the two batches were grown by different methods. Not a single comment about a chemical taste and a few picked the inorganic weed as the better tasting but acknowledged they were having a hard time distinguishing so they were probably equal. There is confirmation bias at work when someone is told that there is a difference, they will attempt to discern one, even if there isn't one in actuality.

I'm sure some of the organic-only proponents will find fault with my test but I am convinced there is nothing that organic growing can give me that a good inorganic nute regimen cannot.
 

Maximus cannabis

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Right, which is a reiteration of the point I made just before yours. I'm pretty sure we are both in agreement but I was just responding to the post by farmboss. I get irritated when people assume that 'chemicals' are bad for you without realizing that everything in life in merely chemicals. Water is a chemical.

Without going OT too much, this idea that 'chemicals' and 'synthetic' is somehow worse than 'natural' and 'organic' is annoying to me. I know for a fact that good inorganic nutrients (I can't call them completely synthetic since many compounds are derived from natural sources) can grow plants just as well if not better than organic methods (which of course cannot be completely organic in the true sense since they also use many inorganic substances that are naturally derived). The question I had is whether taste and smokability is improved with organic growing, something that is reasonable to consider since a) it is claimed by many people that organic just tastes better, and b) organic compounds may very well provide substances that alter the manufacture of terpenes and related compounds. Not everything the plant takes in has to be considered a nutrient as there might be other regulating factors as yet unknown.

I did an informal experiment. When I need a new mother, I put my old one in flower and replace it with a clone. My mothers are in soil so I ran a Super Soil method for her side-by-side with my hydro setup using DM Gold A & B and h2o2.
I kept the two harvests separate and offered up A/B comparisons to some friends/acquaintances, a few of which consider themselves pot snobs. They filled out the smoke report form from another website. They compared everything from looks, taste, and high. They were not told that one was organic and the other not as to not influence them. The results were that even people that believe that organic always tastes better, that synthetic nutes leave a 'chemmy' taste, no one could determine that either of the two batches were grown by different methods. Not a single comment about a chemical taste and a few picked the inorganic weed as the better tasting but acknowledged they were having a hard time distinguishing so they were probably equal. There is confirmation bias at work when someone is told that there is a difference, they will attempt to discern one, even if there isn't one in actuality.

I'm sure some of the organic-only proponents will find fault with my test but I am convinced there is nothing that organic growing can give me that a good inorganic nute regimen cannot.
I have to agree. I'm sure there is some difference, but I've also run side by side and I don't really see a difference. I've tried a ton of additives with super soil and seen no difference. Coco is different, but in soil I've not seen anything special between the two.
 
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