Caregiver

[tokeythebear]

If you are a caregiver can you possess two more ounces for each patient?

 

[SoCoMMJ]

The law says that the patient and caregiver can collectively posses 2 ounces. So legally, if your patient has one ounce in possession you can have one ounce as well.
However, most caregivers disregard that and just stock 2oz per patient since the risk of both of you being raided and weighed at the same time is minimal.

If you are holding for the patients, you should have a valid photo ID for each, their actual red card[not a stack of apps and dr's recs], and a copy of the notarized change of caregiver form listing you as the caregiver.

 

[Ku$hking3883]

The law says that the patient and caregiver can collectively posses 2 ounces. So legally, if your patient has one ounce in possession you can have one ounce as well.
However, most caregivers disregard that and just stock 2oz per patient since the risk of both of you being raided and weighed at the same time is minimal.

If you are holding for the patients, you should have a valid photo ID for each, their actual red card[not a stack of apps and dr's recs], and a copy of the notarized change of caregiver form listing you as the caregiver.

Amendment 20 authorizes a patient or a primary caregiver who has been issued a Medical Marijuana Registry identification card to possess no more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana and not more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana. so you can have to and your caregiver can have two

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

I think that i am going to stick with SoCoMMJ on this one, as this is exactly how it is written in the law. I can not see the connection between "Amendment 20 authorizes a patient or a primary caregiver who has been issued a Medical marijuana Registry identification card to possess no more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana and not more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana." and "so you can have to and your caregiver can have two".
One has nothing to do with the other, the law specifically states the 2 ozs is between patient and caregiver.
Also SoCoMMJ either owns or is a big part of a local dispensary, based on that alone i believe he has a better interpertation of the law than most of us.

 

[Ku$hking3883]

its 2 oz per card thats two for the caregiver if he has a card and 2 for you and if you caregiver dose not have his or her card then i feel bad for you. if you have a card and caregave for five people thats 6 cards 12 oz and 36 plants and you could still have a carregiver and then it would be 10 oz 30 plants. learn the laws don't just read them some people twist the law and grow 6 at the same time there Caregiver dose and that is is bull sh!t.

http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/olls/PDF/MEDICAL MARIJUANA.pdf
Medical Marijuana Patients
A medical marijuana patient is an individual who:
! suffers from one of the debilitating conditions listed in the constitutional
amendment;
! has received a recommendation from a physician stating that he or she
suffers from the debilitating condition and may benefit from the use of
medical marijuana; and
! has a medical marijuana registry card or has applied for a card and at least
35 days have passed without a response.
The constitutional amendment specifies that a patient may possess only two ounces of
useable medical marijuana and up to six marijuana plants, only three of which may be
flowering at a time. A patient who is permitted to use medical marijuana must have in
his or her possession at all times a registry identification card, or his or her application if
the application has not been acted upon, when in possession of medical marijuana. Since
the use, possession, and cultivation of marijuana is illegal under state law, the
constitutional amendment provides an affirmative defense or an exception to criminal
charges related to a patient's possession or use of medical marijuana.
http://colorado.medicalmarijuana.net/laws/colorados-amendment-20/Amendment20
makes it possible for either a patient or a patient's primary caregiver to enroll in the state's Medical Marijuana Registry. This enrollment provides patients and/or their primary caregivers with the proper identification credentials that authorize those individuals to possess marijuana for medical use. According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, Amendment 20 includes guidelines that legally allows for the possession of "no more than two ounces of a usable form and marijuana and not more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of (medical) marijuana."

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

I misread the question, your right, the caregiver can have 2 ozs for each patient, minus of course whatever that patient currently has. IE if the caregiver had patients 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and his own card he could posses 12 oz, if none of his patients has anything. Now say that patients 1,3, and 5 all have 2 ozs and patients 2 and 4 have 1 oz each. Now the caregiver can only posses 4 ozs (2 for himself and one for each 2 and 4.) That is how the law is written, i have studied the laws, but if i have questions, i ask people on here who actually know, including socommj.

 

[Ku$hking3883]

well thats not what the dispensary owners/card holds that I have meet say and this turning in to a apples and oranges thing about a dumb ass law. shit should be legal

 

[SoCoMMJ]

so you can have to and your caregiver can have two

Your logic does not substantiate your claim. Article18 Section 14 clearly states that the patient and caregiver may COLLECTIVELY hold 2 ounces.
The exception to this is written in HB10-1284 that allows MMCs to inventory 2oz for each patient that assigns the center. But, that does not apply to caregivers.
Caregivers are regulated by the CDPHE.

Please don't pass your opinion as the law. While unlikely for this scenario, it is possible for caregivers to be over stocked and be liable for felony possession.
Trust me, you don't want to grab that tiger by the tail.

I do agree on one of your points... "shit should be legal"

 

[Ku$hking3883]

all that a med center is a caregiver

 

[Ku$hking3883]

Thats why every care center wants every person that comes in to sing them as the caregiver. and in turn for being there caregiver the care center tells the the card holder we will give you a discount on meds at that center. Most people think that this is a great dealnot. Then they find out what. that they then cant carry two oz anymore? or how much they can grow them selfs. theres no difference in a medical marijuana center being your caregiver and some friend.

do you own and/or work at a care center socommj?

 

[TreeOfLiberty]

Most people just focus and debate over plant count more than herb weight. The law is screwed up BAD. I've seen 1 single plant pull 6 ounces cured, and that was all the grower had was one plant grown super-crop style out of a 7 gallon container. That 1 plant's harvest would put any MMJ grower who grew for just their self at risk. I'd say almost all of us who grow MMJ go over the bullshit 2 ounce rule. It comes down to how much risk you feel comfortable with. Also , caregivers aren't supposed to grow for profit but we know they still are, and I myself think they should be entitled to fair compensation for their labor and expenses but Colorado officials do not think so. It goes back to the risk equation.Colorado officials have already violated amendment 20 with their new linking of information accessible to other agencies and we'll probably soon see the repercussions in 2011 of that violation. I kept my name out of the registry this last time because of that. Some would say I'm at a greater risk being out of the registry with just a current up-to-date MMJ recommendation but I say just the opposite.

I think sometime in 2011 Law Enforcement is going to start cracking down on random "registered" growers because of that privacy violating (HB1284) 24/7 anytime online access bullshit , with random visits. I think then also that herb weight will matter for those that do get that unwanted visit from LEO's.

 

[Ku$hking3883]

dud the Leo's don't give a cap last september when they came to my care givers grow and took pics. I also know a cuple they each had 5 card holders they caergive for 60+ plants leos came check his paperwork took pis of his cropcome thicked paperwork and took pics.
leos should be focusing Meth lads and crack heads.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

all that a med center is a caregiver

Caregivers and med centers are not the same.
Both have different sets of rules to follow, and caregivers don't have to pay the $10k license fees.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

Thats why every care center wants every person that comes in to sing them as the caregiver. and in turn for being there caregiver the care center tells the the card holder we will give you a discount on meds at that center. Most people think that this is a great dealnot. Then they find out what. that they then cant carry two oz anymore? or how much they can grow them selfs. theres no difference in a medical marijuana center being your caregiver and some friend.

do you own and/or work at a care center socommj?

Yes we own and work at an MMC.
We don't request that patients sign our center in order to purchase. We already have more than we need.
Signed patients, and unsigned patients pay the same price. Other dispensaries also pay that price except without tax since it's wholesale.
A center is allowed to inventory 2oz per patient regardless of what the patient is holding. [different from caregivers]
Fewer people than you think have the means, skills, place, privacy, energy or time to grow their own. Kind of like beer, you can make all you want, but usually hit up the Liquor store when you want some. It's probably easier to make beer
There is a difference in regards to the quantity that you can hold if you have an MMC or your friend as Caregiver.

Contrary to what you might think, we assist many caregivers in any way that we can help. We were caregivers not so long ago.

 

[Ku$hking3883]

COOL thanks for the info SoCoMMJ. but

Yes we own and work at an MMC....thought so
We don't request that patients sign our center in order to purchase:..I didn't say anything about this and if you did that would be LUDACRIS
We already have more than we need:..And how did you get more then you need? card holders so don't forget um.
Signed patients, and unsigned patients pay the same price:..Like I said dont forget um.. Discount Other dispensaries also pay that price except without tax since it's wholesale:<-----This dose not sounds legal if you despence more then 30% to other med centers.
A center is allowed to inventory 2oz per patient regardless of what the patient is holding. [different from caregivers]:..Will go with this
Fewer people than you think have the means, skills, place, privacy, energy or time to grow their own:..More people should try Kind of like beer: nothing like, you can make all you want, but usually hit up the Liquor store when you want some. It's probably easier to make beer
There is a difference in regards to the quantity that you can hold if you have an MMC or your friend as Caregiver.

Contrary to what you might think, we assist many caregivers in any way that we can help. We were caregivers not so long ago.
You should give a discount for card holders that make your med center there primary caregiver. Because there the only reason you have more then you need... buddy

 

[SoCoMMJ]

You should give a discount for card holders that make your med center there primary caregiver. Because there the only reason you have more then you need... buddy

Somehow it's a problem if EVERYBODY pays a discounted wholesale price ?
I don't know why I even try to discuss things with you.

Remember...You said "Thats why every care center wants every person that comes in to sing them as the caregiver"
I said We don't.

We have more patients than we need because our patients bring other patients.
We have never advertised. When you take care of people that word of mouth thing works it's magic. Why would we forget our patients ?

Why do you think I'm breaking the law if I sell to other dispensaries at the same price? We aren't foolish enough to go over 30%... in fact it's rare that we have enough overstock to sell to dispensaries. But if we do there is a list that are waiting for our product.

Why are you being such a troll ? Because we are an evil dispensary ?
If you only had a clue what we do.

Go ahead and hold all the product you want. Just be prepared to deal with it when the time comes.
Please be careful about leading others into trouble with rules that you aren't sure about, or haven't retained and attorney to give you an opinion.

 

[onomado]

what does a caregiver have the legal right to do with surplus medicine that is harvested? let's say a caregiver with 12 mature plants and 12 immature does a very good job and winds up with 8 pounds of dry usable product rather than the legal 8 ounces per harvest... what in the world can be done legally with the other 7 and a half pounds? irresponsible disposal of this could be grabbing another tiger by the tail. i have recently run into this scenario with 5 patients worth of plants, and half of my legal number is consistently yielding 4 pounds each harvest. i have 3 or more pounds of surplus after meeting the amendment 20 guidelines. i dont want to peddle it on CL, you cant sell it because you dont have a business license or an MMC license, and it is illegal to posess it or donate it to another licensed mmj entity. Since having contact with LEO about this recently, I would really appreciate educated and informative replies... (i know this is supposed to be a "good" problem to have, but it isnt!!!)

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

Dig a hole in the backyard!! LoL.
In all seriousness though, there is no legal distinction between buds and concentrates (ie hash etc), even though we all know that 8 ounces of hash is a lot more potent than 8 ounces of bud. So if it is really a concern put aside your legal limit, take the remaining and make some amazing bubble hash and edibles with the rest, whatever you end up with in yield for hash that puts you over your limit, smoke in buds.
Also, consider working in a staggered harvest. Lets say you have 30 plants, instead of harvesting 15 together and having to wait 2 months plus to harvest again, get set up so you have 5 plant sets with 2 weeks between them. This is based on 12 weeks 4 for veg, 8 for flower, may need to adjust to fit your strains, etc. So every 2 weeks you harvest 5 plants, put 5 plants into flower and plant 5. I believe my numbers are right, but i think it conveys the general idea either way. This way you will harvest much closer to your total limit at a time and have 2 weeks to figure out what to do with any excess.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

what does a caregiver have the legal right to do with surplus medicine that is harvested? let's say a caregiver with 12 mature plants and 12 immature does a very good job and winds up with 8 pounds of dry usable product rather than the legal 8 ounces per harvest... what in the world can be done legally with the other 7 and a half pounds?

This is the part that sucks about CO caregiver laws. You can only possess 2oz per patient.[and maybe not even that much, but that's a whole nuther debate]

The obvious answer is grow less and stagger your harvests. The CO plan forces you to have perpetual harvests instead of one big harvest. The 6 plants per patient is the maximum, not how many you have to grow. If you are getting 10 ounces a plant, then harvest one a month instead of 12.

Some MMCs also encounter this issue as they are also only allowed 2 ounces per assigned patient. You can't harvest everyone at one time if you are yielding any decent amount.

If you are serious about disposal of excess meds, the Department of Revenue has issued disposal guidelines for MMCs.
The same standard of disposal [destruction] should be suitable for caregivers as well.

Medical marijuana waste must be made unusable prior to leaving a registered
facility&#8217;s ( i.e. grow operation, medical marijuana dispensary, marijuana
infused product supplier) secured storage and management area.
E. Medical marijuana waste shall be rendered unusable through the following
methods:
1. by grinding and incorporating the medical marijuana waste with nonconsumable,
solid wastes listed below such that the resulting mixture
is at least fifty percent non marijuana waste:
a. Paper waste,
b. Plastic waste,
c. Cardboard waste,
d. Food waste,
e. Grease or other compostable oil waste,
f. Bokashi, or other compost activators,
g. Other wastes approved by DOR that will render the medical
marijuana waste unusable;
h. Soil.
2. by incorporating the medical marijuana waste with non-consumable,
recyclable solid wastes listed below:
a. Grease or other compostable oil waste,
b. Bokashi, or other compost activators,
c. Other wastes approved by DOR that will make the medical
marijuana waste unusable.
F. After the medical marijuana waste is made unusable, then the solid waste
shall be:
1. Disposed of as a solid waste at solid waste site and disposal facility
that has a Certificate of Designation from the local governing body and
that is approved by DOR,
2. Deposited at a compost facility that has a Certificate of Designation
from the Department of Public Health and Environment and approved
by DOR,
3. Composted on-site at a facility owned by the generator and operated
in compliance with the Regulations Pertaining to Solid Waste Sites
and Facilities (6 CCR 1007-2, Part 1) in the Colorado Department of
Public Health and Environment.

If you plan your yields and timing you can avoid having to hassle with excess.

 

[eyecandi]

what does a caregiver have the legal right to do with surplus medicine that is harvested?QUOTE]

or, with that much top end meds, make real Simpsons Oil with it. super concentrated and a real benefit for patients in need of a cure.