Molasses. A double edged sword?

Hudsonvalley82

Hudsonvalley82

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Please don'r forget that in other to have any protein at all there has to be nitrogen present, all proteins and amino acids contain N. Basic bio, but the doesn't necessarily mean "water soluble", however there is a robust enough composition to have a considerable quantity of some version of a water soluble or aqueous N.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Hudsonvalley82 said:
nutrient information on a random jar of blackstrap;
Nutritional Information and Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size: 1Tbsp. (21g).
Servings per Container: About 24.
Amount Per Serving: Calories - 60;

Percentage Daily Values;

Fat - 0g, 0%;
Sodium - 65mg. 3%;
Potassium - 800 mg. 23%;
Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%;
Sugars - 12g, - soil organisms will love this
Protein - 1g,
Calcium - 2%; Iron 10%;
Magnesium 15%;

Water plants thoroughly with solution once every 7-14 days in spring and summer, every 14-30 days in fall and winter. Indoors, use 1/2 teaspoon per quart (1 teaspoon per gallon); outdoors, 1 teaspoon per quart (4 teaspoons per gallon). 32 fluid ounces (946ml). Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash
NPK
3-1-5
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These are 'daily values' for humans, not plants. Fertilizer percentages are by weight which greatly skews those percentages.

Here is a link to the nutritional value and with some simple math, you'll reach the same percentages that I originally quoted.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5573/2

In regards to your 'quote from another forum', I was hoping for a link to a Schultz plant food product that verifies your statement above. Even if a few products are in-fact 'derived from molasses', I can promise you that they'll be of greater value to plants which doesn't mean you can get the same results using whatever molasses you guys buy.

At the end of the day, facts are facts and molasses simply doesn't contain the minerals or properties that contribute to 'fatter buds with more thc'.
 
anonymuss

anonymuss

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homebrewer said:
These are 'daily values' for humans, not plants. Fertilizer percentages are by weight which greatly skews those percentages.

Here is a link to the nutritional value and with some simple math, you'll reach the same percentages that I originally quoted.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5573/2

In regards to your 'quote from another forum', I was hoping for a link to a Schultz plant food product that verifies your statement above. Even if a few products are in-fact 'derived from molasses', I can promise you that they'll be of greater value to plants which doesn't mean you can get the same results using whatever molasses you guys buy.

At the end of the day, facts are facts and molasses simply doesn't contain the minerals or properties that contribute to 'fatter buds with more thc'.
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how bout for flushing purposes?
 
lisa L

lisa L

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I'd keep the molasses out of hydro if I was you, you're just asking for a scum buildup and potential root-rot.--Even with my hyper-aerated res I still ended up with a ton of scummy build-up after a day or two.--I view it solely as a soil additive to increase beneficials, but that's just my opinion.


SwiftGrow said:
I run hydroponics and been wondering about molasses does it really work and when to add it would be great to know mebe ill try it one day.

Best of Luck
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stumps

stumps

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You'r all kinda missing the point of using molasses. Molasses helps the microbes in the soil. in turn the microbes help feed the plant.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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anonymuss said:
how bout for flushing purposes?
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I thought the point of flushing, for those that do flush, was to make the plant use up stored nutrients or whatever. Molasses does have minerals in it which sort of defeats the purpose for those who flush.

You'r all kinda missing the point of using molasses. Molasses helps the microbes in the soil. in turn the microbes help feed the plant.
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But if you're not running microbes, then what are you feeding?
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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stumps said:
You'r all kinda missing the point of using molasses. Molasses helps the microbes in the soil. in turn the microbes help feed the plant.
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and thats all its for to. they feed them and in turn its the microbes that make more nitro and other foods fror the plant. not the molasses.
and for the ones that think expensive boosters are just molasses their not. there is some in some products but there is also a ton of other items not listed on the bottles. and various forms of the carbs to.
 
stumps

stumps

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I'm not at all sure of carb boosting and such in hydro. I think the benefits in soil have been proven. I think they said a 25-30% higher yield in crops tested. Pot was not one of the crops tested.
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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Here is the nutritional value for 2 tsp. of BLACKSTRAP UNSULPHURED molasses:

Nutrients
Amount
Basic Components

Carbohydrates
8.31 g

 Water
3.92 g

Ash
1.12 g

Other carbs
2.46 g

Sugar- total
5.85 g

Monosaccharide
2.09 g

Disaccharides
3.68 g

Calories

Total Calories
32.12 KJ

Vitamins

Niacin B3
0.15 mg

Riboflavin - B2
0.01 mg

Niacin equiv
0.15 mg

Vitamin B6
0.10 mg

Folate
0.14 mcg

Pantothenic acid
0.12 mg

Minerals

Calcium
117.53 mg

Copper
0.28 mg

Iron
2.39 mg

Magnesium
29.38 mg

Manganese
0.36 mg

Phosphorus
5.47 mg

Potassium
340.57 mg

 Selenium
2.43 mcg

Sodium
7.52 mg

Zinc
0.14 mg

 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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Carbohydrates
8.31 g
Other carbs
2.46 g
Monosaccharide
2.09 g
Disaccharides
3.68 g


Sugar- total
5.85 g

need to check that math. i see way more than 5.85 total sugar, theres 8 just in the carbs. all listed are a form of sugar
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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Medi 1 said:
Carbohydrates
8.31 g
Other carbs
2.46 g
Monosaccharide
2.09 g
Disaccharides
3.68 g


Sugar- total
5.85 g

need to check that math. i see way more than 5.85 total sugar, theres 8 just in the carbs. all listed are a form of sugar
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its abotu 16 grams sugar unsulpherd or sulphured, from cane or sugar beets. cane is better for microbes
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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well your info says only 5.85. sulphured or unsulphured isnt to do with the sugar. its as it says...with or without sulphur and sulphur isnt a carb/sugar
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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homebrewer said:
There is zero nitrogen in molasses, that's why it's not listed. In regards to the trace minerals, those are very trace amounts of micro nutrients, much less than are found in your average bottle of plant food.

Got a link to support this statement?
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That sure sounds good, and the three_little_birds will even go as far as to say we agree 100% with all the claims made in that little blurb of ad copy. But here’s the problem, Shultz isn’t exactly telling the public that the bottle of “fertilizer” they are buying is nothing more than a waste product derived from the production of sugar. In fact, Schultz® Garden Safe 3-1-5 Liquid Plant Food is really and truly nothing more than a form molasses derived from sugar beet processing that is usually used as an animal feed sweetener. If you don’t believe a band of birds, go ahead and look for yourself at the fine print on a Garden Safe bottle where it says - “Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash - derived from molasses.”
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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then they are lyin. i happen to know all mg and shultx and scotts uses is n/p/k for foods and not the full 17 ellements we ne3ed to grow them right. wont be the frtist klaw suit they had for lyin on lables.
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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Medi 1 said:
i wasnt talkin calories. look at the counts of sugar and carbs..both are a sugar. it dont add up to what the total sugar claims. a sugar is a carb also
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while were stating the obvious what r ur thought on fire? is it hot? but seriously guy, if u read all my posts on this thread ud see i stated "carbohydrates" nuff said. so 4 divided by 16 , well my mayeb my math was off a little
 
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