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T.M.B

Member
yes I agree it is over you read post #13 how many times must I say I agree follow you meter. I never said you are over nuting you plants and you still keep saying it over and over,and I dont post pics out of respect for my wifes wishes I am married with children and could care less about your grow. I have much respect for Scotty and I dont understand your feelings that I should argue with him. This all started when I posted to be carefull with nutes sometimes less is more and you jumped in grow up dude or get a hug from someone you take things way overboard.
 

Serapis

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read post #560 dude.... you call me a first time grower, you state you don't care what I'm giving my plants, but over juicing them will hurt them in long run, etc.....

I'm not saying you should argue with Scotty at all.... I'm simply saying, where was your speech about being careful then? Where was your challenge to his nute level? My point is, this is the third time you have started pissing with me in these forums, all very similar back and forth bs.... Go read my original post that caused you concern and gave you the feeling that a warning about over nuting was due.. :) That post stands true, still....

I'm still waiting to see that 76 ounce tree.....

yes I agree it is over you read post #13 how many times must I say I agree follow you meter. I never said you are over nuting you plants and you still keep saying it over and over,and I dont post pics out of respect for my wifes wishes I am married with children and could care less about your grow. I have much respect for Scotty and I dont understand your feelings that I should argue with him. This all started when I posted to be carefull with nutes sometimes less is more and you jumped in grow up dude or get a hug from someone you take things way overboard.
 

T.M.B

Member
again your freaking nuts I said first time with hydro,you seem to have selective reading. You know I get along with people very well I have lots of friends but I am telling you I would punch you in the face if you were here now, when have I ever said you were over juicing your plants. I have never made any comments on how you care for your plants you are fucking nuts.
 

Serapis

Well-Known Member
The parts in red below I found to be offensive. I read them as directed to me, because you quoted me in your message and then used the word "YOU". You posted this in response to my tip on reading ppm and knowing when to adjust. I understood perfectly well what you said.....

Show me the 76 ounce tree and I'll apologize, otherwise, your just being an ass now....

Serepis i agree you have to follow the intake and adjust but as I have found by following advice from people that have been doing hydro for many of years and not a first timer like you. These guys never go over a EC of 1.4 and grow trees yielding 50 to 76 oz.s a plant the part they stress is caring for the roots and the end product flavor. I dont care how much you give your plants more power to ya but in hydro 1 day of over juicing your plants can set you back instead of moving forward, all i am trying to say is up with caution in these farms when they fill with roots i think your lucky if you have a gallon of water in them. That said I know it takes all other variables as well like res temp room temp humidity and proper lighting.good luck
 

T.M.B

Member
If that offended you I appologize man your kidding me right, how on earth can you be so offended you give hydro advice like you have been doing it forever all I tried to state was their are people having incredible results without pushing ppms being said nutes are only a part of a healthy grow you need all the other variables as well ok?
 

londonfog

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I think a common mistake people do make is overfeeding when it comes to hydro. your plant will only take so much...you have to be careful because too much can ruin your crop quickly unlike soil, which is more forgiving...everyplant is different in the amount of nutes it can take...I found PE to be a real taker of nutes whilst White Widow is not...If you are new to hydro start out small and slowly increase paying special attention to your plant...have seen to many guys try to push to the limit and have no clue what a gradual build up is....now with that being said why do hydro if you are not going to push that bitch to her limit...in a sense both of you are right ( always do what works for you while remembering to always keep an open mind to learning)...Now lets all smoke one and play nice..we are here to learn from each other...Scotty convinced me to only use a waterfarm (Phuck You "Rubbermaid" )
 

Serapis

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LOL, he convinced me too. Though I now need something to hold over successful cuttings that have rooted...
 
Thank you for the nute advice guys. I just wanted to get it right. I initially read the entire thread (and have been for a while now) but I just needed as much info as possible. I have been inspired by all I have seen on here and was a little wary the speed that hydro grows move at.. Its a lot in a small period of time, so inexperienced guys like me are lucky that we have you guy's brains to pick. Thank you.
 

woodpusha

Member
@scottyballs

Could you explain your cmh bulb a little more? I actually made a thread about it, but no one has given me any answers. How do you induce the flowering stage with a bulb you use for the whole grow?
 

woodpusha

Member
I see a lot of the same questions being asked over and over, so I'm going to attempt to address one or two of them.

WEAVING: It is rare that you will "weave" your plants into the screen. After you have some experience working a scrog, you may use that technique to hold a straggler in place, or help a weaker stem support a bigger bud. To weave means to incorporate into the screen. That is done by running a stem under and over the netting. For the most part, you do not want to do this. Should you need to move that branch later, good luck. The technique utilizes a method that is VERY easy to understand, however it does indeed take a little practice to make the most of your scrog.

The proper technique involves training the growth tips. When a top comes up through the screen, allow it to grow a couple of inches, then pull it back down under the screen and stretch it away from the plant's base to the next spot on the screen. I usually try to stretch my tops out by 2 or 3 squares per scrog session. If the top won't reach, I leave it alone until the following day, when it is a bit longer and can reach to the next spot.

By doing this, we are forcing the plant growth to go horizontal. EVERY node below the screen will receive auxin, a hormone that will cause branching. Every one of those nodes below will start branching out and then up, striving for light. What I do is top my plants before they even go into the tent. My goal is 4 strong tops. I generally leave 3-4 nodes of the plant when i top, so each one of those lower nodes will develop into a thick branch, able to support a smaller network of branches that will grow from it.

I like to work my tops out in the pattern of an "X" The 4 main tops get stretched out into the "X" pattern, and any branches off of the main branches, will be trained to fill in the middles. This is the easiest pattern to follow. I've seen people use a box pattern and a circle. The choice is yours.

When to Flower?: Deciding when to flower is a personal choice. No one can tell you that you need to begin flowering on a set calendar. However, we all strive for that 'perfect' window to flip our lights. When scrogging, we have a concern or two as to when that time comes. I've seen several misconceptions on this topic. Number one, do not wait until your screen is full before flipping the lights to the flower cycle. Why?, you ask, because, once you start flowering, the plant is going to go into stretch mode. The top few nodes are really going to stretch apart and prepare themselves of handling the weight of a cola.

The new growth that accompanies the stretch will have nowhere to go if you have already filled out the screen. As I said, I work my mains into an "X" pattern. The secondary branches that come from those branches are encouraged to stretch to the ends of the screen and fill in the empty portions on the edges. The branches that come later in the plant's life will be used to fill the middles, that are closer to the main branches.

The trick to timing the light cycle is to know your strain. In order to find the sweet spot, you have to know how much more growth the plants are capable of. Once you have filled the corners of your screen and have about 80% of the middles filled in, flip your lights. At this point, you'll continue to work the scrog and train the plants for about ten more days, until the screen is nearly full, at which point you can take a break from working the top, and get below the screen and start removing any growth that will not be receiving light. A well done scrog will not be getting any light below the canopy.

PRUNING: If you are one of the ones that refuse to remove a leave or cut off a perfectly good branch, scrogging may not be for you. In order to get a head start on branching, many growers that utilize a scrog will top their plants. They may also FIM or LST them. Controlling the growth and pace of the plant is essential when growing in a scrog. Growers will have to prune tops to encourage branching, and the amount of fan leaves that are removed is nothing short of a harvest in itself.

I have spent over an hour at a time, cleaning up under the canopy and while doing so, routinely fill 1-2 plastic Wal*mart bags with leaves. I try to tuck huge fan leaves that are shading other tops at the screen, back into the netting. If they refuse to cooperate and insist on blocking a site, I pluck the leaf. I have no aversions to taking off fan leaves. If you are scrog growing, you have to be able to remove leaves and feel good about it. You are not going to decrease your harvest. If anything, growing on a scrog increases it by four fold.

I didn't intend to write a novel, just wanted to cover a few topics that I see being discussed the most.

Now for the X technique, isn't it possible for one node to over lap another and prevent it from growing? Wouldn't it be better to just stretch the branches out straight? Ive never done scrog, just asking because I just cant see the benefit of overlaying two branches.
 

Silent Running

Active Member
I'm pretty sure he means to take one of the four (remember...topped) and go out diagnoally with it...then repeat with the others in turn. There would be no overlap. For a visual --take 4 pieces of string...put a weight on one end of all four. Take the other ends and go out diagnoaly. At least, that's what I picture it as.
 

Serapis

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I'm pretty sure he means to take one of the four (remember...topped) and go out diagnoally with it...then repeat with the others in turn. There would be no overlap. For a visual --take 4 pieces of string...put a weight on one end of all four. Take the other ends and go out diagnoaly. At least, that's what I picture it as.
Thank you..... :)
 

SCOTTYBALLS

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@scottyballs

Could you explain your cmh bulb a little more? I actually made a thread about it, but no one has given me any answers. How do you induce the flowering stage with a bulb you use for the whole grow?
The same way you would with any other bulbe 12/12 light cycle

I'm pretty sure he means to take one of the four (remember...topped) and go out diagnoally with it...then repeat with the others in turn. There would be no overlap. For a visual --take 4 pieces of string...put a weight on one end of all four. Take the other ends and go out diagnoaly. At least, that's what I picture it as.
Hey you where you been? glad you understood his question cause I had no idea what he was trying ask lol..
 

woodpusha

Member
I was imagining with the 4 branches it would make 2 "x" so each would over lay. Glad somebody could understand where I was coming from.
 

Serapis

Well-Known Member
I was imagining with the 4 branches it would make 2 "x" so each would over lay. Glad somebody could understand where I was coming from.
It's all good.... I'm going back to my English 401 professor and asking if I can get in 16 more weeks, as I need to work on writing clearer. He told me just pretend you are talking to 12 years olds....

I told him that wouldn't do any good, because the site is full of 10 year olds.... ;p


LOL



but seriously folks....


it's all good dude....


We had to have someone to laugh at...






j/k


I kid
 

woodpusha

Member
@serapis

I think you explain very well. I feel like probably 90% of this site hasnt actually done an actual grow. So being confused on something you've never even attempted is easy to do. I agree with your teacher tho, treat us all like 12 year olds. lol.

Is there a specific size your scrog screen should be depending on the wattage of the light? I plan on copying this grow to a tee, except I want to use a 600watter cmh bulb.
 
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