Old Time Ignorance

Dick Moser

Dick Moser

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o, so im asking for some knowledge...im assuming i got lied to in some sort of sick attempt at humor but it has got me intrigued. i went over to an old timers house and hes a good freind of mine but im not sure if he just likes futzin with me or if he really is lossing his damn mind. he has giving me GREAT advise in the past (starting my seeeds in the dark was an AWESOME tip) but he has also said some dumb shit...that asside here it is...he was telling me that if you take a FULL flowered and harvest ready plant..after doing a heavy week long flush you can slice a nice pot sized chunck out of the soil an attempt to remove most of the root ball and then drop in another plant the is just entering flower and it will eat through the other roots stored starches and nutrients....im thinking hes full of shit but he said he has tried it nd even brought up stuff i had never heard of (root cloning and multiple rooting sites) etc so i figured i would ask whats what and if i could tell him, mabye, that hes an old dumb shit who gets WAY to high on his own supply. and he HAS fucked with me before...told me shit like i could use corn syrup instead of mollassas and shit like that so i know hes an ass at the least. any help would be nice AND if i dont get a response IM gonna try it in about two or three weeks mabye longer but within a month fo sho...so
 
Dick Moser

Dick Moser

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kinda was thinking someone here would have atleast a better idea then me on how to discredit this....anyone...bump i guess.
 
Canon

Canon

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Yup, root cloning is as old as the hills my boy.
Still heavily in use today with roses, grapes, burl briar, grasses, dandilions, etc. Part of some plant's reproductive cycle actually.
But, it doesn't work on all plants.
As far as feeding one to another,, well sorta. Weeds would do it to a potatoe and things like that. Also a new root would leach from it as it decays / mulches.
And corn syrup / mulch been used right along side of "a fish in every hole" for a long time.

He may be tellin in a way to make you doubt (oldtimer's fun game) but he's tellin the trueth.
Surprised? LOL
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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It would seem to me that this is a stretching of certain botanical principals. Some are being stretched more than others. Plant roots do not "eat" anything, and they certainly don't accelerate the decomposition of other plant matter. While there are nutrients within the old plants roots, they actually have to be converted back to an uptakable form before they can be absorbed again. This is commonly referred to as composting... I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that advises chopping up raw plant material and adding it into your potting mix. Given the rapid life cycle of MJ plants (indoors) and the disproportionate absorption and utilization of different minerals from growing substrates, you are going to be MUCH better off just using fresh soil for every grow.

Yeah, corn syrup has sugars in it but not the micro nutrients that molasses has. Plus it is much more heavily processed. It is my understanding that molasses has a greater amount of simple, short chain monosachrides which are the only sugars that have been shown to be utilized by plant roots anyways. Don't know about corn syrup and don't have time to google it. If your interested in other "old timer" nonsense you can also try pounding nails into your stems two weeks before harvest. :)

Cheers,
LF
 
Total Head

Total Head

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root cloning is totally legit, but this business of eating through roots and whatnot sounds pretty silly. plants don't eat other plants until they rot into dirt.
 
TaoWolf

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Total Head said:
root cloning is totally legit, but this business of eating through roots and whatnot sounds pretty silly. plants don't eat other plants until they rot into dirt.
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I keep hearing root cloning being labeled as legit... but have never seen it done or documented with cannabis plants... Anyone have any links to at least some pictures of root cloning (w/ a cannabis plant)?
 
kevin

kevin

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i've got an old timer friend that always buries a fish in the hole that he plants his seed in. every year his plants start off good but as soon as the roots hit the rotten fish they quit growing and show all kinds of nutrient burns. i try to tell him if he's going to do the fish thing he should bury the fish during the fall so it has plenty of time to completly decompose. i did my first outside plant last summer and he told me how bad i was messing up not throwing a fish in the hole. my girl blew his plants away and i think he's ready to listen to a young pup. he's in his 70's and i love hanging with him listening to his war stories but i have to turn a deaf ear on his grow advice.
 
Dick Moser

Dick Moser

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ok i guess i stated some of the bassic principles of this theory wrong...damn this good medicine!!!! i was pretty medicated, so let me go over it again. the roots wouldnt "eat" the others but rather grow though them or "add" them or somthing...in some way INCREASE the size and uptake abilities of the smaller plant to rapidly shoot it into flowering (shaving a week or so of time/hormone production) i really dont trust my freind and EVERYTIME he tells me soemthing hes got this dumb laugh thing he does nd hes like "what, how the hell does a smart kid like you not know some stupid simple shit like this???" hes got great meds and all but he doesnt acually practice any of the techs he suggests to me...and when im like "why dont you try it" hes like "already have...not worth my time anymore kid" and it makes me think it isnt worth mine either...but this kinda sounded like magic or somthing and it kinda sounds like something worth trying so +rep to you guys i really really apprecaite it and from what im understanding... you guys are saying it is dumb and i could be risking the viable roots i do have by sticking them in dirt that is going to be composting/rotting???
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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So basically what your saying is that the new plants would be like some alien life form that would latch on and use the host plant to grow bigger and more powerful? Here is a shocker...No.

I think the best thing in your situation is to stop hanging around old people. besides, they have a creepy kind of smell anyways.
 
Total Head

Total Head

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TaoWolf said:
I keep hearing root cloning being labeled as legit... but have never seen it done or documented with cannabis plants... Anyone have any links to at least some pictures of root cloning (w/ a cannabis plant)?
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i just popped one totally on accident but i didn't take pics because i figured it would grow more. then it died. however i believe it was due to well innoculated soil. and the fact that i had a big crack in the soil from picking it up after it was watered. up from the crack popped a couple cotyledons with a teeny set of first leaves forming, definately cannabis, and definately not from a seed. i really wish i had a pic for you but it was too small to photograph. how to do it on purpose i have no idea. i have tried and failed a few times but you are correct in that it is pretty poorly documented in cannabis. it's for real though.
 
Dick Moser

Dick Moser

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haha when i say old hes like 48... i figure if your twice as old as i am...your ooooollldddddd. and i am kinda shocked :( i totally believe in santa claus so why is cannibalistic cannabis so impossible????
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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The roots are dead once removed from the plant. New roots don't graft on.

What the old roots provide is food for the organics in the soil. "Zym" products should be utilized here to consume and break down the old dead roots and replenish the nutrients contained in the soil which had been appropriated for the old plant. It is just a way of stretching the dirt you use so you can save some money.

Organics take time to set up. Whatever you do with your dirt you need to allow time for the biological process to unravel and complete growing in soil that is actively composting itself is not preferred. You can always top dress with something like that but the actual potting media should be cooked, rested, and completely prepared to grow a plant.
 
TaoWolf

TaoWolf

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Total Head said:
i just popped one totally on accident but i didn't take pics because i figured it would grow more. then it died. however i believe it was due to well innoculated soil. and the fact that i had a big crack in the soil from picking it up after it was watered. up from the crack popped a couple cotyledons with a teeny set of first leaves forming, definately cannabis, and definately not from a seed. i really wish i had a pic for you but it was too small to photograph. how to do it on purpose i have no idea. i have tried and failed a few times but you are correct in that it is pretty poorly documented in cannabis. it's for real though.
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I hear what you are saying and I don't doubt that what you observed is possible. Don't want you to think I'm calling you a liar or trying to drum up an argument. Many kinds of plants are routinely propagated from root stock. It's just that cannabis isn't one of those plants (or at least it won't with any regularity or in spite of the best efforts of growers that have tried to recreate it happening). All I was really trying to say though is that I personally wouldn't file that old-timers advice under 'good advice for growing success'... or at least that part.
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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PPL NORMALLY JUST use the Main STEM & ROOTMASS. they dont dig it up.. they simply Attach a new plant to a existing Base Stem with a good rootmass.
 
sonofdust

sonofdust

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Sounds to me like your ole friend is teaching you ( Dont beleave everything you hear ) and you've learned from him.
enjoy your ole friend. One day you'll tell your kids about a silly ole friend and laugh at all he tough you and how he went about it.
 
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