INTERVIEW WITH A KETAMINE CHEMIST morning read ...

Puffer Fish

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I found this interesting article in Viceland this morning ... I thought I would bring it in for the interested.

INTERVIEW WITH A KETAMINE CHEMIST



There are medicinal chemists who work on an unseen side of the pharmaceutical industry. Like their legally sanctioned counterparts, they work to synthesize drugs they hope will produce therapeutic effects in their users. But they do not work with billion-dollar budgets or advertising agencies; doctors are not bribed to distribute their products with ergonomic pens or fine terrycloth beach towels. Their advertising comes solely from word of mouth and semicautionary articles like the one you are about to read.

The creation of these chemicals is an extraordinary feat of interdisciplinarity; often the pharmacologist, the chemist, the posologist, the toxicologist, and the experimental animal are all the same human being. This is the way drugs have been developed since the beginning of medical history—it is only in recent years that the practice of self-experimentation has become stigmatized, and accordingly these experimenters, like M., must remain shrouded in mystery.

M. is one of the most respected chemists in his underground field. Singlehandedly, he has popularized and discovered numerous novel drugs for gray-market distribution. His most recent investigation of ketamine and its chemical variations produced a new dissociative anesthetic named methoxetamine, which has recently made its way into the nostrils and anuses of lay experimenters worldwide. Methoxetamine is an exemplary product of rational drug discovery; each of its atoms is the result of arduous study and consideration, all created independently on a minuscule budget. But the success of drugs like methoxetamine does not entail great profits for their inventors. Indeed, it is they who wring their hands most over the unknown fate of the chemicals they conceive. Herein we shall explore the great bioethical quandary faced by the underground medicinal chemist.

Vice: How did your interest in the chemistry of dissociatives begin?
M.: Well, when I was a young boy, only 13, I was badly hurt in an IRA bombing in London. My left hand had to be amputated after the explosion, and I knew I’d lived through a psychological stress that most people cannot even conceive. I would definitely say this triggered my interest in altered states. When you lose a limb, especially when the limb is exposed to serious trauma before the loss, there is a significant chance you’ll be left with an agonizing phantom limb.

Right, treatment for phantom limb has been one of the great riddles of neuroscience. Have you tried Ramachandran’s mirror-box therapy?
Oh yes, I’ve read Phantoms in the Brain and tried an awful lot of things. It’s a complete bastard to treat. God knows how many drugs I’ve been prescribed. Antidepressants, anti-epileptics, muscle relaxants—none of them really worked. For the worst excesses of phantom-limb pain, traditional painkillers like opiates don’t even touch it. You might as well not even bother with them. I was prescribed high doses of pethidine [also known as Demerol] but returned the bottle to my doctor because it wasn’t doing me any good whatsoever. When I came back, my doctor was agog. He said, “Nobody returns pethidine!” The pain involved can be so bad as to effectively detach your mind from consensus reality. Without suitable analgesia I end up looking like a psychiatric inmate, just rocking backward and forward, unable to do anything, sometimes for more than a day. All that considered, anything that does work is an absolute godsend.

And what works?
I discovered a long time ago that ketamine and cannabinoids helped my phantom hand. I’m quite convinced these classes work by distorting body image so severely that you phase out triggers for the pain. I have experienced profound proprioceptive distortions after intramuscular PCP injection, as if my whole body were a proportional model of the sensory homunculus. But in a sense, what I feel is not hallucination or a distortion, I actually find dissociatives corrective, that is, they make the phantom disappear. This is not just an idiosyncratic response on my part; there are at least three articles published on the effectiveness of ketamine in treating phantom-limb pain. It’s dished out by British pain-management clinics for just that purpose in the form of a nauseatingly artificial lemon-flavored linctus. Needless to say, the whole lot of it gets squirted up the arse to bypass my taste buds, but even this has its drawbacks… like sticky, sugary bum cheeks!

Fascinating. I had never considered the possibility that ketamine’s therapeutic effect on phantom limb is psychogenic—like a proprioceptive antihallucination. Recently there was an experiment done with ketamine and the rubber-hand illusion. Subjects given a ketamine infusion could feel the rhythmic strokes of a motorized paintbrush on a rubber hand in their visual field, as if the rubber hand were their real hand. So ketamine can both remove and embody an illusory appendage. Your background is in mainstream pharmacology, studying phenmetrazine2 analogs, correct?
Yes, after receiving a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry I was working on my masters in neuropharmacology. I synthesized an array of phenmetrazine analogs and quantified their potency as anorectics. But in order to do these experiments, you’ve got to kill rats. They train you to use noble words like sacrifice, but truthfully they just get a lab technician to smash the rat’s head open, or cut it in half with a pair of scissors. My conscience couldn’t hack it. So I became a teacher.

You did what?
I taught neurobiology as part of my postgraduate degree. But then I transitioned from academia into the sort of independent research I’m doing now.

You were the first person to report on the effects of synthetic cannabinoids like JWH-018, long before Spice Gold, and the first to comment on desoxypipradrol, 1-ethynylcyclohexanol, 5-APB, and methoxetamine. You have your finger in many pies… so to speak.
After receiving my degree I was just talking to people with similar interests, and I got to know a lot of people who had their expertise on the organic-chemistry side of things. Often these people were looking for somebody from a pharmacology background to suggest promising drugs, and it all went from there. As far as my own synthetic chemistry goes, I hung up my Leibig condenser a long time ago due to police visits and galloping paranoia, and, most important, I promised my ex-partner I would leave that life behind before we got hitched. She is a clinical toxicologist so she knows all too well what kind of damages these reckless behaviors can incur.
Read the rest at Vice Magazine:

Man ... what an exciting read !!
 

Puffer Fish

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Nice 32 views ... someone must be reading !!

We must all prepare for Methoxetamine when it hits the shelves !


;)
 

Puffer Fish

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Dear puffer. I have a gram of methoxetamine on its way to me. Should be here friday:)
Brother man .... I am hoping that this thing comes close to K .... I have my fingers crossed !
As I suspect that it certainly will.

Please take notes and share your experience ...
What is the advertised purity ?

(I would love YOU to be able to compare bwn the compounds)
in terms of differences.
Please keep me in the l00P !

I am super stoked for You !!
Can't wait to read your thoughts !

:)

 

KillerBudz1

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will do for sure! But i have not tried Special K yet. Though here withing a month or so im going to be getting a gram :) so i can compare both then
 

DarthD3vl

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I did have a friend who worked as a vetinarian assistant, she said she would steal some and we could try it, but she never did or i wasn't part of the test group lol. other than that it never comes up. and even then it never happened
 

Deerhunter617

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Put the k in the oven And scrape up the powder baby shit fucks you up ao bad you want yo get
off the couch and try with all your mite but nothing moves lmao I guess I did to much again! I love special k till you go in to that trance
 

Sti1984

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First I fell into it it scared the shit outta me. I couldn't move or speak I thought I was talking to my friends but they said I didn't say I word.
 

ndangerspecimen101

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Ketamine is quite a benign substance compared to the effects of PCP. Ketamine can definitely put you into a nice induced trance state... but with the ability to think and ponder without too much confusion. If taken orally or nasally it's very hard to get into the K-hole state... nearly a half gram would need to be consumed. Intramuscularly is a whole different story.

As for methoxethamine, I hope the few vendors that are stocking it are sure about its production. As its stated somewhere that methoxethamine is a "trademark" substance and the few places that are carrying it must strictly get it from that lab. Although this is a highly strung theory... only time will tell. I'd say by next Tuesday we'll have a few nice trip reports :D
 

Sti1984

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Ive taken small amounts nasally and been put into holes. I was taking mdma at the time so i dunno if that had anything to do with it. Regardless I had lots of fun.
 

Puffer Fish

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As for methoxethamine, I hope the few vendors that are stocking it are sure about its production. As its stated somewhere that methoxethamine is a "trademark" substance and the few places that are carrying it must strictly get it from that lab. Although this is a highly strung theory... only time will tell. I'd say by next Tuesday we'll have a few nice trip reports
Dude I love your tabs on the REALITY TIMELINE ... can't wait to read some stories and feed my brain !!

;)
 

mightymiller

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ive recently acquired some racemic k. its possible that im sensitive to it but i havent had an issue with hitting a khole with nasal applications. i have/had lol zero tolerance, if i bump 25 then wait 10-15 min and hit another 50 ill khole every time without fail. i might add these are my first experiences with k so this could also have an impact.
 

Puffer Fish

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Put the k in the oven And scrape up the powder baby shit fucks you up ao bad you want yo get
off the couch and try with all your mite but nothing moves lmao I guess I did to much again! I love special k till you go in to that trance
Buddy It's all about the trance and what you can bring out of it ...
AKA Dissociative ... that is the whole point ... :)
The stupid drunk feeling is just a an impediment ... IMHO ....
 

Puffer Fish

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ive recently acquired some racemic k. its possible that im sensitive to it but i havent had an issue with hitting a khole with nasal applications. i have/had lol zero tolerance, if i bump 25 then wait 10-15 min and hit another 50 ill khole every time without fail. i might add these are my first experiences with k so this could also have an impact.
Nice Miller !
U build up a tolerance with repeated use over a short time ... so use it sparingly and let your brain recup bwn trips .... u can also go further this way.
Is the texture of your toys ... in small rectangular crystals or fine powder ... ?

Yum !

;)
 
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