Help!!!! Limp drooping leaves spider mites burn aaaaahhhhhhhh

[DirtyDiana]

So my list of issues. I started worrying a week ago saturday because one plant out of 5 white widow plants was starting to droop or go limp, the leaves. Afraid of them being over watered, I have not watered them since this past saturday, the 5th of February. Now, today the 8th, 4 out of the 4 plants are limp and drooping. I have pictures of the ph, the meter says about 6.8, close to 7, and the other ph tester, where you put the capsul powder and water shows about 6.5 ph. The meter that you put in soil to check the ph also has a buttom you slide and it will tell you about some of your nutes, not sure which, but shows on the low side. Again, I have not watered, and when I put the water meter in the soil, it shows just under dead center between wet and dry, so a little on the dry side.

So with that information, what could be making my plant leaves droop or be limp? I did notice that this started happening a day or so after I put the plant pots on the concrete floor in the basement. The basement gets cold at night, about 59-60 degrees F, so I am wondering if having the pots on the concrete made the roots too cold? I have since put a table in the room to keep the plants up higher and off of the concrete to be warmer.

Now, since taking pictures and investigating all of these issues, I noticed a little red thing tiny ass mf'er crawling on a leaf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its a freakin damn asshole spider mite!!!!!!!!!!! I have read everywhere, yeah use neem oil, spray leaves with some kind of spray, use this use that, but everyone says these things dont really work. So is there ANYTHING that DOES work?

I took a few pics of the leaves, close to the stem is green, then further down leaf is yellow with brown spots. Im just getting so darn agrivated. If someone could PLEASE guide me in the right direction I would SOOOOOO greatly appreciate it.

So a recap, because I have said so much, on what I need help with.

My limp/drooping leaves
Spider mites
and yellowing leaves with brown burn looking things on the leaves

THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe a recap on what I have done with the plants for the past week and a half or so might give a little more information.

Thurs 01/27/2011 12/12 cycle, first day of flowering

Saturday 01/29/2011 Watered with Flowering nutes, bio bloom, 1/4 strength

Sunday 01/30/2011 started seeing browning and yellowing

Monday Jan 31, 2011 watered with azamax ph 7

Wednesday Feb 2, 2011 Put plants on concrete because all 5 plants would not fit on the small table.

Thursday Feb 3, 2011 Watered with 7ml veg nutes with 1tsp bloom nutes to one gallon water, was told by someone adding the veg nutes, a small amount would help with the first stretch in flowering, the N would help.

Friday feb 4, 2011 night noticed drooping on one plant.

Saturday Feb 5, 2011 Watered all 5 plants with ph 7 water. One plant still drooping.

Sunday, feb 6th, 2011 still drooping a little, not as much

Tuesday feb 8, 2011 drooping worse, now on 4 out of 5 plants, soil ph 6.8, have not watered or fed because I do not know if they are over watered or too many nutes, found little freakin spider mites, and Here is where I am at now.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jawbrodt]

Ooooh, well that explains alot of your problems, the mites. Sorry, but I've never had to deal with them, myself. *knocks on wood*lol I can recommend that next time around, spray everything with neem oil, the floor, the walls, the pots, the plants, the soil, etc....because mites hate the stuff, and won't crawl through it. It forms a 'barrier' for your plants, and is great preventative maintenance. It also renders them sterile, so they won't be able to breed, but that takes time, a few generations.

 

[done]

I used stuff called Doktor Doom (from hydro shop, but saw same stuff at hardware store) it worked great for me after 2 applications (about 2 weeks) I haven seen a little bastard since, good luck

 

[DirtyDiana]

I think I should also note the temp of the room in the day with the lights on. It has been 64-69 fahrenheit. Everywhere I am reading about these nasty things says to get the temp to about 65 because they do not like the cold. Well why do I have them then?!?!?!?! There were absolutely no signs, unless the spotting on the leaves are signs, of these guys until I put them on the concrete floor. I have had 2 other harvests and never had these things. I probably got them from my brother, I am disowning him!

So for the mites, if I try the neem oil, then switch to hot shot no pest strips, then floramite, maybe that would help? Constantly switching it up and keeping up with it? I read too much, and what I also read is all of those things work, but end up not working anymore because they get used to it or whatever.

What about the drooping? Is that from these lil faukers? I have had 1500 ladybugs flying around for a long time because I thought I had aphids which ended up not being, and I dont think these ladybugs do anything to help with anything, cept fly into my cfl lights and get burned there and die. Suggestions on the drooping leaves?

 

[DirtyDiana]

So today, the 9th of February, 4 plants are not drooping anymore, but the one still was, the same one from the beginning. I watered/fed all 5 plants with 1 1/2 tsp. bloom, 4 ml vet, 1/4 tsp cal/mag to a gallon. I guess I will see what happens. I added the little bit of veg nutes because floranova has the extra stuff, i think called micro nutes? Been trying to learn too much, forgot what its called. The sulfur boron chlorine cobalt copper iron manganese molybdenum and zinc. I added a tiny amount so hopefully its not too much. I think someone told me for the first few weeks add a little bit of veg nutes. Going to get neem oil and no pest strips today. I have not seen any spider mites today, but they were there yesterday so I am sure they know I am on the hunt for them lil faukers.

So I think for sure that having the plants on the concrete floor contributed to the drooping leaves. On the 4 plants atleast

Anyone know how long exactly I am supposed to add a tiny bit of veg nutes for?
Thanks

 

[thenotoriousone]

If your Supplementing Co2 in your grow room with a Controller turn the Co2 ppm to 2,000, Leave it for a hour. It will straight up kill all the bugs or everything living in the area(Except plants) Its pretty dangerous to humans as well so be careful! If you don't have a Co2 Controller, go and get clothing lent roller and roll all the undersides of the leaves, The Spider Mites & Eggs will stick to the paper and just disposed of it after you roll em off. Should take hours depending how many plants. Neem oil and Einstein oil is effective for prevention not as much control once infested. Pretty much primarily make it slippery for them on the foliage, Doesn't kill them! Adult Spider mites lay eggs every 3 days, Those Eggs hatch in 3-4 days and 3-4 days later after hatching there babys can produce eggs! Spider mites multiply FAST!

Edit: You asked why you still have mites after 65F and you wont like the answer. Spider Mites can build a immunity to pesticides, temperatures and your environment.

Edit: Asking about how long using veg nutes, If your a beginner. i recommend buying a nutrient line and sticking with it. Follow the feeding guide, For instance FoxFarm Grow Big, Big Bloom & Tiger bloom. Alot of the Amsterdam Cafe's use Advanced Nutrients like "Barneys Farms" & "Greenhouse Seeds" The only time i don't supply nutes to my plants are the first 2-3 weeks and the last 2-3 weeks. I flush my plants with water every week to keep salts from building up.

 

[anthonyhall81]

hey dirty diana.

have you managed to sort out your problem??? did start the same on another thread !!

im having the exact same problem !! i have cleared the mites i had but my leaves are continuing to die from the tips. used spider mite control £12. used every night for 5 nights at lights out.mist the plants completely with spray bottle paying more attention to the leaf undersides.
i completely soaked my plants and after the 5 nights they are gone.check under leafs for the eggs & try to blast off with spray bottle.magnifier will help.i also used a fogger (smoke bomb) in my tent to try & rid of any inside & give it a good clean.

heres where im at,at the minute...........

using hesi nutes which is a complete kit, growing in coco link to feed instructions. http://www.hesi.nl/objects/schemas/uk_coco_2.jpg
im at week 3 veg the leaf problem getting worse.
ph tested water with nutes now at 5.6 / 5.7. (was at 7.6) only just managed to check ph.

problem really starting to pi** me off.

waiting now to see if the ph corrected water is doing any good.

 

[thenotoriousone]

hey dirty diana.

have you managed to sort out your problem??? did start the same on another thread !!

im having the exact same problem !! i have cleared the mites i had but my leaves are continuing to die from the tips. used spider mite control £12. used every night for 5 nights at lights out.mist the plants completely with spray bottle paying more attention to the leaf undersides.
i completely soaked my plants and after the 5 nights they are gone.check under leafs for the eggs & try to blast off with spray bottle.magnifier will help.i also used a fogger (smoke bomb) in my tent to try & rid of any inside & give it a good clean.

heres where im at,at the minute...........

using hesi nutes which is a complete kit, growing in coco link to feed instructions. http://www.hesi.nl/objects/schemas/uk_coco_2.jpg
im at week 3 veg the leaf problem getting worse.
ph tested water with nutes now at 5.6 / 5.7. (was at 7.6) only just managed to check ph.

problem really starting to pi** me off.

waiting now to see if the ph corrected water is doing any good.

What is the TDS or EC of your water.. That is just as important as the PH

 

[anthonyhall81]

not tested the EC & wouldnt know what to do to be honest,
this is the first time having a problem i normally add the nutes to tap water & all is good.1st time for mites as well.

apparently HESI coco nutes dont need EC testing as there is no EC value or it doesnt show on testers.

 

[anthonyhall81]

The nitrogen that is used in TNT is 100% organic. Organic nitrogen compounds have no EC value because they are not salts, but they do contain a high percentage of nitrogen. Therefore young plants are loaded with a minimum of salts which creates ideal growing conditions. So, it appears that TNT-Complex has a low EC value, but its degree of effectiveness is very high.

taken from HESI site.

 

[thenotoriousone]

As plants get older they need higher levels of different nutrients NPK's & Calcium, Iron ETC... PH and EC play the healthy, speedy growth factor, within a specific PH & EC range for different stages of life provides the optimum uptake of those nutrients. If your only feeding Nitrogen thats a problem too... Phosphorous is very important for vegetative growth aswell. If your a new grower just get a foxfarm 3 pack and follow the regime at first till your comfortable trying organic. With Organic you must supplement a combination of many nutrients with the case everything can play a role in growth problems.

 

[anthonyhall81]

thanks for the reply but according to the grow chart & from past experience all i need is whats in the grow schedule.

as for the phosphorous HESI do sell one but according to them it should only be needed during flowering when using soil.

i have used HESI nutes on a few grows & have friends that do with good results however this grow seems to be going downhill since the mites. im left wondering is it possible that the mites have damaged the plants for good or is it a question of adding something as simple as N or P ??

i appreciate any help.

 

[thenotoriousone]

i would just cut the foliage the mites damaged and try and salvage the rest of the plant and foilage. If they were my plants i could! Its just very hard to help people solve problems online haha! there could be 100 things your doing right or wrong! I use 10-10-2 Peruvian Seabird Guano from Sunleaves for Veg. Ive never had a plant damp-off or die from something random like a fungus or mites infest my garden, However i have delt with those problems in friends gardens. I usually end up killing runt plants to save space. I have a micro climate Tent where bugs or fungus's are not able to get into my grow spot. Although im sure bugs or fungus's are able to get into one eventually if improperly maintained.

 

[DirtyDiana]

Anthonyhall, I purchased some neem oil and bug be gone things so I will work on the mites tomorrow. A few hours ago my plants werent drooping anymore, but I just went to do lights out and check on them, and THEY ARE DROOPING AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! I have some crunchy, some yellow, some brown leaves, but I do not think that part is getting worse. I think that part is all underneath control. I am thinking it might be getting too cold in the basement and that could be why my plants are drooping. I am going to attempt the spray on the leaves tomorrow and do that along with the bug strip thing to see if that works for the mites. If I can not figure out why my leaves are drooping I am going to scream at anyone who will listen!!!!!!!! It has been pretty cold here in the Chi, so I am hoping that is my drooping problem. I will update tomorrow.

 

[DirtyDiana]

Does anyone know if any of my pictures could be mold? the humidity in the room is currently at 40, and I am thinking that is too low for mold, but I am not sure. I just can not figure out why I have these spots, and I have never thought if it could be mold or not

 

[thenotoriousone]

Does anyone know if any of my pictures could be mold? the humidity in the room is currently at 40, and I am thinking that is too low for mold, but I am not sure. I just can not figure out why I have these spots, and I have never thought if it could be mold or not

Way too low for mold. 50%+ Develops mold, I told you roll off all the mites. I stated all the issues earlier. Improper TDS or EC for the leave burns, The drooping is probably due to over or underwatering i pot in 2 gallon pots and i have to water ever 2-3 days.

 

[DirtyDiana]

I could attempt to roll off all of the mites, but that will not get rid of the problem. More will come, and by time I roll those, eggs would have already been laid then more mites come. I only have about 7 weeks left for this batch, so if I could get a hold on them with the neem oil and the no pest strip for that long, I will clean the room and disinfect and bomb and take everything out of the room for a while, to make sure the assels are gone.

I really do not think the drooping is from over or under watering. I thought possibly over watering, because I had watered a few times closer together than I usually do, so I let them go without water for a few extra days. Even after watering, and the moisture meter showing they were well watered, they returned to drooping leaves, only after the temps went down. I am leaning towards it being too cold down. We have extreme cold weather conditions in the area and the house is very cold, specially in the basement. I have a heater in the room for the night, and I will see how they look in the morning. They have looked good in the day, but closer to night time is when they started going back to drooping.

 

[anthonyhall81]

dirty diana.
you want to check your temps at the night to be sure they are to cold.with regards to the mites you want to try get rid of them before you start geting your buds as you dont want to be dealing with spray etc on your buds. i soaked my plants in the mite control. its totally organic so wont mess about or hurt your plants. if you soak them enough they will either drown/suffocate or not be able to move around. also check for webbing & remove as this helps them run around. and try to be clean when handling your grow. the mites come from outside/clothes/pets. some people change into another set of clothes when watering etc.

i am going to cut my dead leafs off & hope the PH corrected water is the problem after that fcuk knows !!!!!!!!!!
if it continues the EC meter route for me but i know thats going to be a real headache as the HESI nutes are bufferd & dont show up correctly.

THE JOYS OF GROWING !

 

[DirtyDiana]

dirty diana.
you want to check your temps at the night to be sure they are to cold.with regards to the mites you want to try get rid of them before you start geting your buds as you dont want to be dealing with spray etc on your buds. i soaked my plants in the mite control. its totally organic so wont mess about or hurt your plants. if you soak them enough they will either drown/suffocate or not be able to move around. also check for webbing & remove as this helps them run around. and try to be clean when handling your grow. the mites come from outside/clothes/pets. some people change into another set of clothes when watering etc.

i am going to cut my dead leafs off & hope the PH corrected water is the problem after that fcuk knows !!!!!!!!!!
if it continues the EC meter route for me but i know thats going to be a real headache as the HESI nutes are bufferd & dont show up correctly.

THE JOYS OF GROWING !

I had a heater on in the room last night, and this morning none of the plants are drooping. So the cold, as far as the drooping goes, is the culprit. LMAO, I just noticed your avatar, lol too funny. Anyway, temps are supposed to get a bit warmer this weekend, so hopefully I do not have to worry about using the heater as much. We stopped using three heaters, one in each bedroom, to try to cut down on energy usage, but one heater for a bit here and there shouldnt be too much extra for the electric bill.

I myself also cut off the dead leaves. Just off of one of the girls. I also purchased some stuff to dip my cloans in right before I start vegging them, so hopefully that works. The cloans I am going to keep on the 3rd floor, where they are now, so this way they have less of a chance getting those mites. I am in the process as we speak of getting rid of them. Up till now, I have not seen any webbing at all. So hopefully I caught them right as the problem started. But I will continue to check every day while treating them to make sure none show up. After this batch is done I think I am going to bomb the entire house, probably on a weekend when we will not be home, just incase these lil faukers jumped on one of us, ewwwww, and are about doing their own thing in the entire home, you never know. I am going to take as much time as possible inbetween the next batch because I get the eebie jeebies and have nightmares about spiders and yucky creatures!!!!!!

Everything cept the mites and the cold are under control so these are a top top priority to fix! Going from full beautiful girls to having like a beautiful big breasted blonde with lice is a huge bummer. I hope those mites rot in hell and regret ever meeting me face to face!

By the way, I am seeing these white dots and my husbands says they are the eggs. I was just assuming eggs would be bumpy or something, I was worried it was mold. I will look up pictures, but just curious if you know what the eggs look like.

GOOD LUCK!

 

[Wetdog]

For a 100%, ONE application, elimination of mites, get some FORBID.

Do a search on ebay. ~$20 delivered and it will do the trick. Adults, larvae and eggs ... gone.

Floramite is also good and I have it also to alternate treatments. Have not needed it as of yet after one treatment with the Forbid. The Forbid is also easier to mix and apply.

Very potent stuff, the normal mix is 1/8tsp/gallon. A qt of mix will do 15 plants, easy.

Wet