solcielo
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Of all the considerations I have taken into my setup and lighting, the acceptance in the general growing community never crossed my mind and is not remotely a factor in any of my decisions. People really don't like change.
Blue Dream 800W Induction Lights SOG
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solcielo
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When I was researching alternative lights to HID I was doing so to reduce the heat output in my indoor garden. The little I read on plasma they produce massive amounts of heat, exactly the opposite direction I'm trying to go, and the reason I dismissed them very quickly.
Solcielo... More research on Plasma is needed my friend. You will find that the 700w LG plasma and the Luxim plasma run cooler than LED (as a whole unit) The plasma lighting does not require an exhaust fan and some recent tests have shown that the Gavita LEP using Luxims puck increased a small tent size by a mere 1 degree celcius if memory serves me well. Plasma do not create much heat.
Check out Stray light plasma from Optical Technology and Gavita Hollands 300w LEP. They deffinately dont throw heat. Sorry to take it off topic.
chazbolin
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I like what I'm seeing out of this grow because it's an example of single lamp being used from veg thru flower. The plants don't stress out from changing lamps out to provide the different PAR UV and IR spectrum's that nature provides.
Forgive me if this remaining a bit off topic but I also had considered plasma lamps as an option to HID. Specifically I was going to use Chameleon's plasma lights strictly for vegetative purposes since plasma falls off usable PAR spectrums from 560 nm. They are not good for flowering and they'll tell you that.
To achieve IR spectrums Chameleon suggests a $7K system that incorporates LED's with their plasma lamps. But at that point, with a 30,000 hr plasma lamp, why not just use an HPS for 2% of that price and just be done with it? I'd have had to seen 4 grams p/watt to break even with the expense of that setup.
That is until you consider what Solcielo's grow is doing with these induction lamps. He's accomplishing what LED and Plasma are doing for less then 10% of the purchase price of plasma and getting over 3 times the lamp life. That does not even take into consideration if the plasma would even outperform the inda-gro lamps or that the plasma lamps only effectively cover less (3 x 3) of the canopy as the longer length inda-gro lamps cover a larger 5 x 5 area.
I know, maybe when Solcielo is done with this grow he'll have the $7K to compare the two different lamps for us or we could all chip in. Whatdaysay
Forgive me if this remaining a bit off topic but I also had considered plasma lamps as an option to HID. Specifically I was going to use Chameleon's plasma lights strictly for vegetative purposes since plasma falls off usable PAR spectrums from 560 nm. They are not good for flowering and they'll tell you that.
To achieve IR spectrums Chameleon suggests a $7K system that incorporates LED's with their plasma lamps. But at that point, with a 30,000 hr plasma lamp, why not just use an HPS for 2% of that price and just be done with it? I'd have had to seen 4 grams p/watt to break even with the expense of that setup.
That is until you consider what Solcielo's grow is doing with these induction lamps. He's accomplishing what LED and Plasma are doing for less then 10% of the purchase price of plasma and getting over 3 times the lamp life. That does not even take into consideration if the plasma would even outperform the inda-gro lamps or that the plasma lamps only effectively cover less (3 x 3) of the canopy as the longer length inda-gro lamps cover a larger 5 x 5 area.
I know, maybe when Solcielo is done with this grow he'll have the $7K to compare the two different lamps for us or we could all chip in. Whatdaysay
chazbolin
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Don't get hung up on proportionally lower outputs in critical ranges. The reason I say this is you only have to look at any HPS spectrum analysis and you'll see 'proportionally lower outputs in critical ranges' when compared to narrow band LED arrays designed for specific wavelengths of flowering.
But as anyone who has compared the two type of lamps will attest and with ample evidence (Emerson Effect) available, HPS's wider spectrum has a photochemical advantage over the narrow band LED in both yields and quality.
Now from what I've seen of this grow and the inda-gro lamps that Solcielo is using, these lamps spectrums cover about 95% of the UV and 75% (same as HPS) of the IR spectrums that fall within PAR and do so at relative intensities that surpass HPS (60% less watts) in comparative wattages while allowing the plants to 'morph' between UV and IR spectrums. Not something either HID or LED can accomplish from a single source.
This makes for what I would describe as an interesting grow wouldn't you say?
bajafox
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Interesting to say the least. I spoke to inda-gro for almost two months about switching from my 600w HID in a 4'x4' grow space to their Pro 400w. A representative of the company said I would need 2 Pro 400s to have similar results to a 600w hps setup. That was way outside my budget at the time since it would have cost me over $1100 for both lamps and absolutely no results anywhere on the internet to make me pull together than kind of cash. Now I am looking for alternative lighting to my 600w hps for the summer again. I've been looking at LED's but this thread has sparked my interest in induction lighting again.
Props to you solcielo for grabbing the bull by the horns, I am still in contact with the guy from there, they are less than a 10 minute drive and said they would cut me a deal if I came with cash in hand. I might just do that when this thread is done.
Props to you solcielo for grabbing the bull by the horns, I am still in contact with the guy from there, they are less than a 10 minute drive and said they would cut me a deal if I came with cash in hand. I might just do that when this thread is done.
I was going to go for the 4" Aquamist systems, I currently have an Aeroflo which I like more, but a large root mass makes it impossible to check on them, where as the former's lid can just be lifted... It's 32 plants in eight square feet, so 4... Oh, I thought it was more... :X
Also, general acceptance doesn't mean something is good, Grey Goose is awful, the guy even wrote a book about how there were no expensive vodkas, so if he made any vodka and put a high price on it people would buy it... And they do. Even if something has evidence to back it up, bleeding edge tech costs money that not everyone has, because proof or not, new tech isn't an investment people are going to jump at, so there are less producers, who then can charge more...
Pretty sure that's in Business 101, supply and demand, skimming vs penetration pricing...
solcielo
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Sorry falling into the manana pattern again... I'll get in there and get some pics tonight after work. Just started a new job little challenging learning to juggle it all.
southside420
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Looking very nice, solcielo +rep for being original with the Inda-Gro´s. I´d be interested to hear your impressions on bud density up to this point as it compares to HPS lighting.
medicine21
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Looks like you're getting there. Plant health looks pretty good! If you do the same style SOG next time, you will see better top colas if you hack off the bottom 3rd of the plant at least. That popcorn won't amount to anything and some plant energy got wasted on it. I went a lot more aggressive with the SOG prune this time and I will have only nice thick buds to trim. I see a big difference, maybe not in weight, but in quality and trimming effort for sure.
dunit
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I gotta agree with this. Best crop I ever had one of my hillbilly buddies was staying with me. He was an old school country/farm boy with no experience with MJ but ran tomatoes in greenhouses for years. I came home after work one day and he was half way through a bottle of Jim Beam and decided to prune my plants. He took three home depot 5 gallon buckets of trimmings off eight large plants. His theory was if you get rig of all the lower and middle crap in the shade that the outer edge will produce more. I could have killed him.
In the end he was right. The outer buds were the biggest I'd ever harvested and way easier to trim. I think that Al B Funct guy basically swears by the same theory and I really do think it works.
I left my ladies au naturel this run as it was a first run to test these LED panels and the foliage is so thick I will definately have some popcorn in the trunk area that's in heavy shade. Next time will trim them out for sure.
solcielo
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the first grow i did i did not trim anything. the second grow I actually brought everything out and did trim off the bottom 1/3 or so I thought, just didn't really go back through for a second pass and probably wasn't aggressive enough but if you go back into my posts a few pages there are pictures of the before and after. Even with the trim the middle of these plants is very light, but the density on the tops is amazing really. Just as good as what I experienced with my 1000W HPS, I think that once you give the plant enough light, it comes down to genetics and CO2 enrichment for the truly dense nugs.
On an aside battling spider mites, noticed eggs laid all over one of my corner plants so it appears they've become resistant to SNS217. When I saw the struggling plant just now I trimmed off the hurt looking leaves with many eggs and soaked them to kill everything and gave the plant a good dousing in 217. Tomorrow I go buy lady bugs and let the battle really begin.
On an aside battling spider mites, noticed eggs laid all over one of my corner plants so it appears they've become resistant to SNS217. When I saw the struggling plant just now I trimmed off the hurt looking leaves with many eggs and soaked them to kill everything and gave the plant a good dousing in 217. Tomorrow I go buy lady bugs and let the battle really begin.
chazbolin
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Totally agreed. No light can bend or see through leaves so lollipop these beauties and the energy on the top makes for bigger buds and so much less trimming!
This should be good
solcielo
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page 2 has some really good before and after trim pics
medicine21
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You gotta cut all the branches on the bottom 1/3 not just the leaves. You should end up with just single cola sized plants at the end.
D.Gotti
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Exactly. Check out Al B. Fuct, his thread on harvesting every two weeks. He shows really good pictures of this method of defoliation.
