20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

MoJobud

Active Member
Awesome thread and thanks for sharing. Couple things to consider when growing in a warehouse or any rented space other than a house is that you will have annual fire inspections. I just had mine during my construction of a room. Luckily it wasn't complete and they didn't seem to care about the walls going up but did mention if it was sealed ceiling that I would need to bring in a sprinkler. Just keep in mind that if you haven't had your inspection done, you will eventually.

I like your idea of keeping the frame screwed in vs nailed like how I did originally. I am now constructing my second room and will consider doing so for that.

I don't know if you posted it already but do you mind telling me how much your electric bill is? Does your landlord know what you are doing in that space? Sounds like you and I are in a similar space/grow situation but mine is coming along a lot slower.
 

kings**t

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i am glad to see more people going big i am in the same boat as you i have two rooms 10 lamp and an 12 lamp set up very nice, just wondering why your in 5gal buckets when you could be in smartpots? and as for the drain problem your haveing why dont you get 4x8 trays and setup an drain? very easy ($142 for an abs 4x8) or you could custom make an tray too any who just trying to give you options.
 

lochem

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These stories really hit home. I feel this overwhelming responsability to do my part to get some meds out there to people who need them. I believe that most growers would gladly donate some meds to sick and needy peeps if there was a venue to do so. This is a call to action. I'm going to find some of those people today. I'll need some help.

I'm thinking we should identify facilities caring for very sick and needy people who benefit from cannabis and can't afford it. I will personally walk in the door and offer the medication. I'll have forms to join the collective with me. People...let's do this. If you help me find the people, I'll do the rest. Let's start with the 101 freeway corridoor from the 405 to Santa Barbara.

Any further ideas on this will be welcome. Let's brain storm together and see if we can develope a venue for growers and patients alike to offer meds without fear of being set up by the Man. Ideas, folks.
I think I may be able to connect you with people in need and/or someone that would be possibly interested in helping. I'll let you know.
 

collective gardener

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Awesome thread and thanks for sharing. Couple things to consider when growing in a warehouse or any rented space other than a house is that you will have annual fire inspections. I just had mine during my construction of a room. Luckily it wasn't complete and they didn't seem to care about the walls going up but did mention if it was sealed ceiling that I would need to bring in a sprinkler. Just keep in mind that if you haven't had your inspection done, you will eventually.

I like your idea of keeping the frame screwed in vs nailed like how I did originally. I am now constructing my second room and will consider doing so for that.

I don't know if you posted it already but do you mind telling me how much your electric bill is? Does your landlord know what you are doing in that space? Sounds like you and I are in a similar space/grow situation but mine is coming along a lot slower.
As far as the fire inspection, there are 2 ways to go.

1. Call for an inspection prior to any grow construction
Upside: Got a year or 2 with no worries
Downside: They know that the unit is occupied and who occupys it and they will be back or calling you.

2. Stay quite. Keep the doors down during the week. Low profile. Black out any storefront windows. Let the front get a little dusty.
Upside: As long as they never come by when you're coming or going, you never get inspected.
Downside: If they do come by while you're standing there with the door opened, you're fucked. I just say that I just work here and dont have access to the rest of the building. That buys you some time while you break down the grow...either for good, or for an inspection.

The landlord does not currently know, but knows of other grows in the complex and is cool with it as long as it's legit.
I haven't got my first big electric bill yet. I'm estimating around $1,500 with all lights cooking.
 

collective gardener

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i am glad to see more people going big i am in the same boat as you i have two rooms 10 lamp and an 12 lamp set up very nice, just wondering why your in 5gal buckets when you could be in smartpots? and as for the drain problem your haveing why dont you get 4x8 trays and setup an drain? very easy ($142 for an abs 4x8) or you could custom make an tray too any who just trying to give you options.
The 5 gallon pots are only crop #1. All the future crops are in 10 - 20 gallon pots. I prefer regular containers to smart pots. We move the plants around quite a bit, which makes constructing a drainage table like we have in the veg room a non-option. Also, I plan on growing some plants very tall with vertical bare bulb lighting. I'll need every bit of my 10' ceiling. A table would reduce my available height.

I have operated many grows with tables. When I was growing SOG and SCROG commercially, it worked well. Back then I had no plant limits, so I would grow a zillion small plants. In this brave new world of legal med growing, plant limits are a reality. Since there is no limit on just how big we can grow them, I'm going for getting them as big as I can. Ultimately, I want at least 1lb/plant. That size of plants and containers are grown on the floor.
 

collective gardener

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I think I may be able to connect you with people in need and/or someone that would be possibly interested in helping. I'll let you know.

That would be great. If you know of any facilities that care for terminal and gravely ill folks in need of cannabis, I would love the name and maybe a contact. Thank you so much for helping out.
 

Gopedxr

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Helping the needy and sick and those who really really could use is really really awesome. Lot more sick people out there lot worst off then us then we actully think about day to day. Glad to see collective gardener your taking compassion to the next level. If there is something we can do down here in socal. Let it be heard.
 

collective gardener

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Helping the needy and sick and those who really really could use is really really awesome. Lot more sick people out there lot worst off then us then we actully think about day to day. Glad to see collective gardener your taking compassion to the next level. If there is something we can do down here in socal. Let it be heard.
I'm in so cal. I need locations and contacts. Basically, If some of you guys can direct me to needy patients with recs, I'll get them their medication. They would have to join our collective, of course, to keep it legal...one form, copy of license, copy of rec.

I want to be very clear: My collective is looking for terminally, and/or gravely ill patients in need of medical marijuana, who cannot afford to pay for it.
For now, we would like to limit ourselves to Los Angeles and Ventura Counties.
Patients must have a valid doctor's recommendation for cannabis use.
Patients must join our collective to recieve their medication.
There is no cost to join our collective.
For now, we will just have to take a patients word for it as far as innability to pay.
The amount of medication given away will depend on how much our collective has available.

So, help me find these people. I am hoping to find a doctor or nurse who works in a facility caring for our ideal patient.
 

MoJobud

Active Member
As far as the fire inspection, there are 2 ways to go.

1. Call for an inspection prior to any grow construction
Upside: Got a year or 2 with no worries
Downside: They know that the unit is occupied and who occupys it and they will be back or calling you.

2. Stay quite. Keep the doors down during the week. Low profile. Black out any storefront windows. Let the front get a little dusty.
Upside: As long as they never come by when you're coming or going, you never get inspected.
Downside: If they do come by while you're standing there with the door opened, you're fucked. I just say that I just work here and dont have access to the rest of the building. That buys you some time while you break down the grow...either for good, or for an inspection.

The landlord does not currently know, but knows of other grows in the complex and is cool with it as long as it's legit.
I haven't got my first big electric bill yet. I'm estimating around $1,500 with all lights cooking.
Sounds good. I was told by the building management that if I didn't allow for the inspector to come in that I would have to pay out of my pocket for him to come back at another date within the month. I have 2 different businesses, one in a industrial warehouse and one in an office high riser and I can tell you that for insurance purposes for the building owner that annual fire sprinkler inspections are mandatory. So just giving you a heads up that if you haven't had your landlord tell you that someone is coming, they will this year. Who knows, they might have done one in Jan of this year so you can wait it out until next Jan of 2012.

BTW how is your noise control? For me it was the #1 priority to not have my neighbors even think that I did anything of this nature. Some warehouse spaces have poor insulation and its something that has slowed down the progress of my build. Having fans on 24/7 even dampened can piss off a neighbor to have them call the landlord.
 
Sounds good. I was told by the building management that if I didn't allow for the inspector to come in that I would have to pay out of my pocket for him to come back at another date within the month. I have 2 different businesses, one in a industrial warehouse and one in an office high riser and I can tell you that for insurance purposes for the building owner that annual fire sprinkler inspections are mandatory. So just giving you a heads up that if you haven't had your landlord tell you that someone is coming, they will this year. Who knows, they might have done one in Jan of this year so you can wait it out until next Jan of 2012.

BTW how is your noise control? For me it was the #1 priority to not have my neighbors even think that I did anything of this nature. Some warehouse spaces have poor insulation and its something that has slowed down the progress of my build. Having fans on 24/7 even dampened can piss off a neighbor to have them call the landlord.
If the landlord knows what´s going on, what´s the problem? Hypothetically speaking, wouldn´t it be the same for the fir inspection, if it´s legal, what´s the big deal?
 

MoJobud

Active Member
If the landlord knows what´s going on, what´s the problem? Hypothetically speaking, wouldn´t it be the same for the fir inspection, if it´s legal, what´s the big deal?
If your landlord doesn't have a problem with it, then you really don't either to a degree. Just thought you would want to be discrete about what you are doing. Its all written and agreed upon on my lease what I can and cannot do in my space and I am sure what I am doing is voiding my lease by building a room such as yours without their approval and safety. Not trying to be a buzzkill, just pointing out that you will get inspected so be prepared. I am just glad that mine was mid construction of the room so it wasn't reported to the landlord what I was doing. I know what we are doing is legal in CA (I am in OC btw) but its still a fed crime. All you need is one guy who has some moronic view on medical MJ to be pissed off enough to get you shut down. Do you get what I am saying here? If its not a problem or a big deal, then why are we all still hiding like there is a witch hunt?
 
If your landlord doesn't have a problem with it, then you really don't either to a degree. Just thought you would want to be discrete about what you are doing. Its all written and agreed upon on my lease what I can and cannot do in my space and I am sure what I am doing is voiding my lease by building a room such as yours without their approval and safety. Not trying to be a buzzkill, just pointing out that you will get inspected so be prepared. I am just glad that mine was mid construction of the room so it wasn't reported to the landlord what I was doing. I know what we are doing is legal in CA (I am in OC btw) but its still a fed crime. All you need is one guy who has some moronic view on medical MJ to be pissed off enough to get you shut down. Do you get what I am saying here? If its not a problem or a big deal, then why are we all still hiding like there is a witch hunt?
Yeah I hear ya. I am heading out there next week to try to do the same thing so i´m in the information gathering phase now. I figured I would just find a landlord that is cool with it and stay legal. But i see your point, less people that know the better, even if it is legal... Would it be easier to just grow the 99 plants in a house where they can´t come in? Just rent a big house with a cool landlord , pay a few months in advance and go for it. Would definitely be better security as you´re going to be there watching the crop
 

collective gardener

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I guess I've been pretty lucky in my last several warehouse grows. I have never had a problem with having to deal with an inspection.

My current location is, by far, the best yet. I know of at least 3 other grow ops in our complex. My source for the original plants has been operating a 40 light flip here for over 3 years without an inspection. My guess is that it depends on the landlord. I can see if there was some hyper-vigilant property manager in charge, things could become a problem. But, believe me, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of warehouse ops in California. 99% of these could not endure a fire inspection without some major problems. Yet, they operate year after year.

I have spoken with several (10 or 11) of my neighbors on the fire inspection issue. I have concluded that, in my complex, the businesses that that applied for a business license in that address were contacted by the fire department to schedule an inspection. The businesses that either did not get a license, or got the license in a different address were not contacted.
The fire marshall does drive around and do random inspections. That is how many of my neighbors who did not get local business licenses got inspected. A few have never been inspected at all.

I should also note that one neighbor moved in 2001, was contacted for an inspection in 2005, and hasn't heard from them since. He is always there with the door wide open. My next door neighbor lives in his unit (a big no no), and has been avoiding any suprise inspections for 7 years by just keeping a low profile Mon-Fri during business hours.

As far as being legal. Yes...we are legal. BUT, I will not let an inspection happen. If it came down to it, I'd load em up in moving vans and break down the room for the inspection. VERY few grow rooms would pass an inspection. Unless you go through the trouble to fire sprinkler the room, pull a permit for the electrical, have a licensed electrical contractor install the electrical, and some other shit that I have forgot about, your room won't pass. Also, count on law enforcement being contacted. NOBODY in their right mind will endure this if it's, in any way, avoidable. The legal landscape just isn't quite there yet. In my county, they like to confiscate the gear and tell you that if you go away, they won't file charges. Would we win in a trial? Absolutely. Could we sue and get our gear back with damages? Most likely. Would we go through all that? Nope. And they know it.

Bottom line on this op: Please don't worry about us. This isn't my first rodeo, and I've done my homework on this location. There is still risk in medical marijuana. Hopefully some day...

Bottom line on your grow ops: Do your homework on the location. If an annual inspection is part of the deal, go somewhere else. Newer complexes in upscale neighborhoods should be stayed away from. Huge complexes are also bad. Talk to the neighbors prior to moving in. Tell them you do some spraying once in a great while that california doesn't like. Most business owners will be on your side. Ask about inspections. Most business owners don't like them any more than you do.

As far as why not rent a house. One reason: The power isn't there. If it weren't for that, a house would be the way to go. The most I've ever run in a house is 6000 watts. That's less than a third of what we are doing now, and I'm thinking we'll be running closer to 24k by the end of the year. I like larger ops. We're hoping to be in the right position for when this thing gets truly legal and we can be loud and proud. I feel that anyone not already operating a medium-large op when this happens, will have a hard time catching up to the pack.
 
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