The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread
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Hey everyone, this has been one of the most informative threads i've found on canna coco. I just finished reading this whole thread and took tons of notes. I'm going to post them here just for consolidation purposes (and for the lazy ones who dont want to read 102 pages 
), and to see if anyone else has anything they would like to add.
I do have a couple questions of my own that i didn't find here.
-Can cannaboost and rhizotonic be mixed together and used as a foliar spray? if so, how much of each is recommended?
-Can the seeds be started in peat pellets, then transferred to my 1 gallon pots with 100% canna coco from there? Or is a different starter cube recommend instead of peat pellets, such as rapid rooters or root riots?
Canna Notes (Updated March 1 2011):
Rhizotonic: - Develops roots and can be used as foliar spray after transplanting or to reduce stress. Use the Rhizotonic at the high end of the spectrum (10ml-15ml per gallon) during the early stages of veg. Once the root system is big and established and you are in your final size container, then you can drop the dose down a bit, and once you are a week or 2 into 12/12, then u can drop it down to 2ml per gallon until about week 5 or six. For foliar feeding (until flowering starts), mix the Rhizotonic at 2ml per gallon. Spray it right when the lights come on, while the room and plant temps are still low, and so the leaves have time to dry before dark. Use it 3x per week, or every other day.
Cannaboost: - Kind of useless, but good as foliar spray. Use it at the low rate, 8 ml/gal applied every other day. It has little EC and will not affect the plant to much. Also, only adjust the pH if it is way out of bounds but if between 5.2 and 7.9 don't worry about it. Apply from the point of photoperiod change (12/12) to about 1 week prior to harvest if possible.
Cannazym: - Stimulates bio life - rinse coco with double dose cannazym after harvesting to use the coco up to 3 times. let it soak for a day, then replant. it decomposes old roots and stuff, then turns it into nutrients
PK 13/14: - Tends to be best used in a 7 - 10 day window starting about the time you see first flower formation. This typically, on an 8 week flower response group, to be about 5 weeks before harvest or 2-3 weeks after flower initiation (not light change). Adding it early will not advance or benefit flower initiation, only the amount of dark the plant sees will initiation flowering. Adding too early could result in phosphate accumulation and ratio issues involving Ca and Mg. If using A/B at full strength, cut it back a little as you introduce the PK. The best way to dial in the PK takes some trial and error work. This can be anything from 3 - 10 days after switching light cycle or the natural trigger for flower is received by the plant. Remember a plant has to convert to flower in most cases which takes a little time from the moment the dark cycle increases or decreases based on the species of plant being grown. Use PK for about a 3 week window at each irrigation along with the other components. Then you can stop. You really can not use PK too long except in the final week or so, or giving it too early. You want to use it when the buds are forming and just starting to kind of wrap around the branch (right before they start linking together)
Nutrient schedule for seedlings: - 1ml a+b and 1 mil rhizo - go a bit higher with every watering till you get to the normal chart level. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Stay somewhere around 400 - 600 ppm or about 0.6 EC for the nutrients on seedlings or really new cuttings. After a couple weeks switch to the lower range of the feed chart. Leave the Rhizotonic out of the seedlings untill they are about 2 weeks old or older. Cuttings should see Rhizotonic as soon as root initials are seen. Seedlings loose the seedling criteria after they gain some size say 4 or 5 sets of true leaves, depending on variety. Canna nutrient chart: http://www.cannagardening.com/growguide
Nutrient schedule for clones: - Start with 8ml (each A/B bottle) per gallon and if there is no sight of burn, quickly move up to 10-12 ml per gallon. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Use solution within 4 days.
Nutrient Mix Order: - Cal/Mag (if using), then Rhizotonic, then A/B etc.. - let sit for a couple hours or overnight if possible. Then adjust PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a good middle) and use it. Always add anything with Calcium first. Probably no need for cal mag until flowering if using non RO (city) water. If you use any product with silica in it then it should be added to your feed water before adding other nutes or you'll get nutrient lockout/dropout in the mix.
Watering: - Never use just plain water with coco. Use the A/B with EVERY watering except during the final flush. During the flush, just use Cannazym. If you want to reuse the coco (up to 3 times), then use a double dose of Cannazym during the flush. After plant removal, soak coco in double dose rhizotonic once more and let it soak for 24 hours, then it's ready to re-use. Re-using canna coco is good because the micro life gets built up from the previous grow.
PH: - Stay between 5.2 and 6.2. 5.8 is a good safe spot
Magnesium deficiencies: - Show as yellowing in-between the veins on the leaf and sometimes rust spots
Calcium deficiencies: - Show as brown edges on the sides of the leaves, and eventually twist and curl up and die. Calcium is important for cell density. A steady supply will increase yields.
), and to see if anyone else has anything they would like to add.I do have a couple questions of my own that i didn't find here.
-Can cannaboost and rhizotonic be mixed together and used as a foliar spray? if so, how much of each is recommended?
-Can the seeds be started in peat pellets, then transferred to my 1 gallon pots with 100% canna coco from there? Or is a different starter cube recommend instead of peat pellets, such as rapid rooters or root riots?
Canna Notes (Updated March 1 2011):
Rhizotonic: - Develops roots and can be used as foliar spray after transplanting or to reduce stress. Use the Rhizotonic at the high end of the spectrum (10ml-15ml per gallon) during the early stages of veg. Once the root system is big and established and you are in your final size container, then you can drop the dose down a bit, and once you are a week or 2 into 12/12, then u can drop it down to 2ml per gallon until about week 5 or six. For foliar feeding (until flowering starts), mix the Rhizotonic at 2ml per gallon. Spray it right when the lights come on, while the room and plant temps are still low, and so the leaves have time to dry before dark. Use it 3x per week, or every other day.
Cannaboost: - Kind of useless, but good as foliar spray. Use it at the low rate, 8 ml/gal applied every other day. It has little EC and will not affect the plant to much. Also, only adjust the pH if it is way out of bounds but if between 5.2 and 7.9 don't worry about it. Apply from the point of photoperiod change (12/12) to about 1 week prior to harvest if possible.
Cannazym: - Stimulates bio life - rinse coco with double dose cannazym after harvesting to use the coco up to 3 times. let it soak for a day, then replant. it decomposes old roots and stuff, then turns it into nutrients
PK 13/14: - Tends to be best used in a 7 - 10 day window starting about the time you see first flower formation. This typically, on an 8 week flower response group, to be about 5 weeks before harvest or 2-3 weeks after flower initiation (not light change). Adding it early will not advance or benefit flower initiation, only the amount of dark the plant sees will initiation flowering. Adding too early could result in phosphate accumulation and ratio issues involving Ca and Mg. If using A/B at full strength, cut it back a little as you introduce the PK. The best way to dial in the PK takes some trial and error work. This can be anything from 3 - 10 days after switching light cycle or the natural trigger for flower is received by the plant. Remember a plant has to convert to flower in most cases which takes a little time from the moment the dark cycle increases or decreases based on the species of plant being grown. Use PK for about a 3 week window at each irrigation along with the other components. Then you can stop. You really can not use PK too long except in the final week or so, or giving it too early. You want to use it when the buds are forming and just starting to kind of wrap around the branch (right before they start linking together)
Nutrient schedule for seedlings: - 1ml a+b and 1 mil rhizo - go a bit higher with every watering till you get to the normal chart level. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Stay somewhere around 400 - 600 ppm or about 0.6 EC for the nutrients on seedlings or really new cuttings. After a couple weeks switch to the lower range of the feed chart. Leave the Rhizotonic out of the seedlings untill they are about 2 weeks old or older. Cuttings should see Rhizotonic as soon as root initials are seen. Seedlings loose the seedling criteria after they gain some size say 4 or 5 sets of true leaves, depending on variety. Canna nutrient chart: http://www.cannagardening.com/growguide
Nutrient schedule for clones: - Start with 8ml (each A/B bottle) per gallon and if there is no sight of burn, quickly move up to 10-12 ml per gallon. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Use solution within 4 days.
Nutrient Mix Order: - Cal/Mag (if using), then Rhizotonic, then A/B etc.. - let sit for a couple hours or overnight if possible. Then adjust PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a good middle) and use it. Always add anything with Calcium first. Probably no need for cal mag until flowering if using non RO (city) water. If you use any product with silica in it then it should be added to your feed water before adding other nutes or you'll get nutrient lockout/dropout in the mix.
Watering: - Never use just plain water with coco. Use the A/B with EVERY watering except during the final flush. During the flush, just use Cannazym. If you want to reuse the coco (up to 3 times), then use a double dose of Cannazym during the flush. After plant removal, soak coco in double dose rhizotonic once more and let it soak for 24 hours, then it's ready to re-use. Re-using canna coco is good because the micro life gets built up from the previous grow.
PH: - Stay between 5.2 and 6.2. 5.8 is a good safe spot
Magnesium deficiencies: - Show as yellowing in-between the veins on the leaf and sometimes rust spots
Calcium deficiencies: - Show as brown edges on the sides of the leaves, and eventually twist and curl up and die. Calcium is important for cell density. A steady supply will increase yields.
jberry
Well-Known Member
Nice notes bro! Nice of you to put in the effort!Hey everyone this has been one of the most informative threads i've found on canna coco. I just finished reading this whole thread and took tons of notes. I'm going to post them here just for consolidation purposes (and for the lazy ones who dont want to read 102 pages
I do have a couple questions of my own that i didn't find here.
-Can cannaboost and rhizotonic be mixed together and used as a foliar spray? if so, how much of each is recommended?
They arent meant to be used at the same time or same growth phase... so no, i wouldnt mix them but i doubt it would cause visible damage.
-Can the seeds be started in peat pellets, then transferred to my 1 gallon pots with 100% canna coco from there? Or is a different starter cube recommend instead of peat pellets, such as rapid rooters or root riots?
You can do that but peat pellets are not that great imo... might be better off putting the seeds directly into a small 4" pot of coco.
Canna Notes:
Rhizotonic: - Develops roots and can be used as foliar spray after transplanting or to reduce stress. Use the Rhizotonic at the high end of the spectrum (10ml-15ml per gallon) during the early stages of veg. Once the root system is big and established and you are in your final size container, then you can drop the dose down a bit, and once you are a week or 2 into 12/12, then u can drop it down to 2ml per gallon until about week 5 or six. For foliar feeding (until flowering starts), mix the Rhizotonic at 2ml per gallon. Spray it right when the lights come on, while the room and plant temps are still low, and so the leaves have time to dry before dark. Use it 3x per week, or every other day.
Cannaboost: - Kind of useless, but good as foliar spray. Use it at the low rate, 8 ml/gal applied every other day. It has little EC and will not affect the plant to much. Also, only adjust the pH if it is way out of bounds but if between 5.2 and 7.9 don't worry about it. Apply from the point of photoperiod change (12/12) to about 1 week prior to harvest if possible.
Cannazym: - Stimulates bio life - rinse coco with double dose cannazym after harvesting to use the coco up to 3 times. let it soak for a day, then replant. it decomposes old roots and stuff, then turns it into nutrients
PK 13/14: - Tends to be best used in a 7 - 10 day window starting about the time you see first flower formation. This typically, on an 8 week flower response group, to be about 5 weeks before harvest or 2-3 weeks after flower initiation (not light change). Adding it early will not advance or benefit flower initiation, only the amount of dark the plant sees will initiation flowering. Adding too early could result in phosphate accumulation and ratio issues involving Ca and Mg. If using A/B at full strength, cut it back a little as you introduce the PK. The best way to dial in the PK takes some trial and error work. This can be anything from 3 - 10 days after switching light cycle or the natural trigger for flower is received by the plant. Remember a plant has to convert to flower in most cases which takes a little time from the moment the dark cycle increases or decreases based on the species of plant being grown. Use PK for about a 3 week window at each irrigation along with the other components. Then you can stop. You really can not use PK too long except in the final week or so, or giving it too early. You want to use it when the buds are forming and just starting to kind of wrap around the branch (right before they start linking together)
Nutrient schedule for seedlings: - 1ml a+b and 1 mil rhizo - go a bit higher with every watering till you get to the normal chart level. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Canna nutrient chart: http://www.cannagardening.com/growguide
Nutrient schedule for clones: - Start with 8ml (each A/B bottle) per gallon and if there is no sight of burn, quickly move up to 10-12 ml per gallon. PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a safe spot). Use solution within 4 days.
Nutrient Mix Order: - Cal/Mag (if using), then Rhizotonic, then A/B etc.. - let sit for a couple hours or overnight if possible. Then adjust PH to 5.2-6.2 (5.8 is a good middle) and use it. Always add anything with Calcium first. Probably no need for cal mag until flowering if using non RO (city) water.
Watering: - Never use just plain water with coco. Use the A/B with EVERY watering except during the final flush. During the flush, just use Rhizotonic. If you want to reuse the coco (up to 3 times), then use a double dose of Rhizotonic during the flush. After plant removal, soak coco in double dose rhizotonic once more and let it soak for 24 hours, then it's ready to re-use. Re-using canna coco is good because the micro life gets built up from the previous grow. (it should read Cannazym for flush/ reuse, not Rhizotonic) *You can also use a Sugar based flushing product for supporting your microlife during the flush.
PH: - Stay between 5.2 and 6.2. 5.8 is a good safe spot
Magnesium deficiencies: - Show as yellowing in-between the veins on the leaf and sometimes rust spots
Calcium deficiencies: - Show as brown edges on the sides of the leaves, and eventually twist and curl up and die. Calcium is important for cell density. A steady supply will increase yields.
-Peace, -J
masonite420
Active Member
Here is one major point to consider.......House & Garden has virtually the same products plus some and is about a 3rd of the price.....I have friends who have run side by sides with H&G and canna in coco.........H&G won.......Peace
Oops, good catch. I fixed my post. Thanks for the info.
I normally like to use peat pellets because i tend do have slow germination otherwise. That way I can use a heat mat. When i plant directly into 4" pots or plastic cups, i find it hard to get the temps high enough for good germination. Also, i've been buying peat pellets at wal mart for only $2 per box of 72
jberry
Well-Known Member
House & Garden are good nutes and cheaper (i wouldnt say 1/3 of the price but they are cheaper)... they are also designed for RO water and have a high amount of K which can be bad for some coco grows. They also have major labeling problems and many of their products labels have the wrong percentage of elements printed on them 
They have had some pretty bad customer service in the past as well... Having said that, all of these hydro nutrients are way overpriced including Canna... House & Garden satchel of shooting powder costs them less then five cents to make and they charge 12.00 bucks ea.... Cannaboost is a total rip off.
They have had some pretty bad customer service in the past as well... Having said that, all of these hydro nutrients are way overpriced including Canna... House & Garden satchel of shooting powder costs them less then five cents to make and they charge 12.00 bucks ea.... Cannaboost is a total rip off.
PUKKA BUD
Well-Known Member
Hey ASFx that looks the same as my notes i made bro!! lol i did the same as you read the thread and made notes, im comin to the end of my 1st grow and 1st canna coco grow.....and what can i say thanks jberry again with all your tips on here you've made me grow like a pro!!! lol..i couldnt have done it with out you mate!!
So hows it goin jb havent herd much from you lately? i think i sent you some PM did you get them??
Any how if you want to see what a plant looks like from usin all the tips above check out my thread the links in the signature below
peace
So hows it goin jb havent herd much from you lately? i think i sent you some PM did you get them??
Any how if you want to see what a plant looks like from usin all the tips above check out my thread the links in the signature below
peace
Well that's good.
I already read through all the pages of your grow too, and it looked perfect. You did an awesome job. Hopefully i'll have the same success on my first grow. I've been growing tomatoes and peppers for a long time, so I should do ok.
jberry
Well-Known Member
Im doing pretty good (busy tho), thanks for all the kind words and it feels good to know that ive helped.
masonite420
Active Member
True....True........They had some labeling problems...but I believe that they have been fixed...I like straight hydro but I did use Aqua flakes in coco on a recirculating top drip for a while and the plants were massive...we did really well.....they were really green all the way through as well..............Hey......Bud XL is the same thing as CannaBoost but way cheaper.......you only use 3.8ml a gal......whereas with Cannaboost you use about 15ml........The quart actually costs less as well.........If you use Canna and need a cheaper version of Cannaboost.....there you go......PeaceHouse & Garden are good nutes and cheaper (i wouldnt say 1/3 of the price but they are cheaper)... they are also designed for RO water and have a high amount of K which can be bad for some coco grows. They also have major labeling problems and many of their products labels have the wrong percentage of elements printed on them
They have had some pretty bad customer service in the past as well... Having said that, all of these hydro nutrients are way overpriced including Canna... House & Garden satchel of shooting powder costs them less then five cents to make and they charge 12.00 bucks ea.... Cannaboost is a total rip off.
masonite420
Active Member
True....True........They had some labeling problems...but I believe that they have been fixed...I like straight hydro but I did use Aqua flakes in coco on a recirculating top drip for a while and the plants were massive...we did really well.....they were really green all the way through as well..............Hey......Bud XL is the same thing as CannaBoost but way cheaper.......you only use 3.8ml a gal......whereas with Cannaboost you use about 15ml........The quart actually costs less as well.........If you use Canna and need a cheaper version of Cannaboost.....there you go......PeaceHouse & Garden are good nutes and cheaper (i wouldnt say 1/3 of the price but they are cheaper)... they are also designed for RO water and have a high amount of K which can be bad for some coco grows. They also have major labeling problems and many of their products labels have the wrong percentage of elements printed on them
They have had some pretty bad customer service in the past as well... Having said that, all of these hydro nutrients are way overpriced including Canna... House & Garden satchel of shooting powder costs them less then five cents to make and they charge 12.00 bucks ea.... Cannaboost is a total rip off.
edsthreads
Well-Known Member
You can re-use coco I grew my Diesel Ryder with 2nd hand coco from a Lowryder 2 grow (see my sig links)
Do Bush Master have a line of coco specific nutes?
WOWgrow
Well-Known Member
Whats up man, long time! Got any new journals I should know about? Think the last one I saw was the dieselryder.
masonite420
Active Member
I think it's always a good idea to veg at 18/6 for a little while at least....bigger plant....bigger yield......lower plant numbers......Are u really stuck on flowering straight from seed? Cause I am not sure how I would count the weeks
Just doing some experimenting. Certain varieties like nirvana northern lights do excellent with 12/12 from seed. Very high yield, very fast finishing times. Do a search for "Why would ya' waste space on Lowryder I or II???" on google and check out the results that guy got in 54 days from seed. Pretty crazy.
edsthreads
Well-Known Member
Hello m8 - Not yet we had a big bust near me so everthing's on hold for now while the dust settles.. prob gonna have a go at Chronic Ryder next or use up all the Diesel Ryder seeds I have left.. I also have to invest in new light & extraction equip as I lent it to my m8 who got busted
PUKKA BUD
Well-Known Member
del66666 grows 12/12 from seed with great results in coco check him out think he dropped some pics in the coco grower unite thread the other day he should help you out he's a cool guy!