Has anyone tried Insect Frass?

MsBBB

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I made a run to my local Grow Store this evening to pick up a few things and received a sample of Insect Frass (insect poop). Has anyone used this as a hydro or soil additive, tea or other methods, what were the results, if noticeable?

Insect Frass (2-2-2) - 100% Organic -US Farm-Grown - All Natural Plant Food (for Rooting, Vegetative and Flowering Stages) - www.OnFrass.com:leaf::leaf:
 

grobofotwanky

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I've always heard that anything that doesn't eat meat, fat, sugar, oil, etc., produces a usable fertilizer as waste. How true it is I have no idea. I'd try it.
 

Gastanker

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True insect frass is mostly indigestible lignin and cellulose. Not really sure how it would be very beneficial unless it contains live cultures of the bacteria within the bugs gut (the stuff actually responsible for breaking down cellulose). Even then I think the bacteria needs to be within the animal in order to do what it does.

/e I have always heard that "frass" was not just animal feces but wood digesting insect feces. I have a feeling the product this place sells is most likely cricket droppings or meal worm droppings - both of these are good water soluble organic nutrients. I wouldn't recommend true frass though (not sure how they would get enough to sell either).
 

MsBBB

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Okay, so I had to put my plants into larger containers and decided to use some of this "Insect Frass" in the soil. I amend my soil so I added everything that I usually add (worm castings, perlite, sand, etc) and the insect frass. Ooowee, does this stuff smell once it gets wet! It smells kinda of fishy like, maybe I used too much. As bad as it smells it has to have some benefits to my plants (wishful thinking on my part). Unless I see a big difference I won't be using this again, and if I do it will be in smaller amounts.:leaf::leaf::leaf:
 
I've been using the Insect Frass for 2 and a half grows now and I can really say this stuff works good!

I've been using it in my organic hydro and soil gardens and I haven't had any issues with smell like the other guy

The guy at the shop told me besides feeding the plant with organic fertilizer it makes the plant think it is being attacked by insects.

He said this tricks the plant into growing faster to replace eaten vegetation and to strengthen its cell walls.

I think it is way easier to use than liquid nutes in soil because all I did was premix into the soil and water. Then in flower I just top fed with some of the frass and watered.

Easiest fertilizer ive ever used. period. https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/gc.gif
 

MsBBB

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I've been using the Insect Frass for 2 and a half grows now and I can really say this stuff works good!
I've been using it in my organic hydro and soil gardens and I haven't had any issues with smell like the other guy
The guy at the shop told me besides feeding the plant with organic fertilizer it makes the plant think it is being attacked by insects.
He said this tricks the plant into growing faster to replace eaten vegetation and to strengthen its cell walls.
I think it is way easier to use than liquid nutes in soil because all I did was premix into the soil and water. Then in flower I just top fed with some of the frass and watered.
Easiest fertilizer ive ever used. period. https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/gc.gif


Good to hear from someone who has used this stuff and knows what they are doing. I mixed it in my soil, but sounds like I used way too much. Next time I will go easier on the amount I use. So, you use it in a "tea" to feed/water you plants too? Thanks:leaf::leaf::finger:
 
Yeah, I just followed the directions on the bag.
How much did you use?

I premixed 1 cup of Frass per gallon of potting soil and watered thru veg.

Then in flower I put like a half cup per week of the frass on the topsoil and watered it in well.

I had an amazing harvest for not doing much more then watering. :)


I use it as a tea in my hydroponics because it is mostly organic matter that does not dissolve.

I also make a weak tea of 2 tsp per gallon water as a foliar during veg.

I've noticed faster growth and the best yield I have ever pulled with organics
 

MsBBB

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Yeah, I just followed the directions on the bag.
How much did you use? I premixed 1 cup of Frass per gallon of potting soil and watered thru veg. Then in flower I put like a half cup per week of the frass on the topsoil and watered it in well. I had an amazing harvest for not doing much more then watering. :)
I also make a weak tea of 2 tsp per gallon water as a foliar during veg. I've noticed faster growth and the best yield I have ever pulled with organics
Yeah, I used too much. Now I know. You foliage feed and didn't notice a smell? Could be the brand I'm using or my nose:leaf::leaf::finger:
 

Wolverine97

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Strange, just last week my hydro store gave me a couple of bags to try out also. I haven't opened them yet, but we'll give one a test run on my next cycle.
 

MsBBB

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Strange, just last week my hydro store gave me a couple of bags to try out also. I haven't opened them yet, but we'll give one a test run on my next cycle.
We might be in the same stomping grounds. I'll have to pay them another visit real soon and see if I get another bag. If I get another freebie I'll use this one more wisely, based on what I am hearing, this is really some decent organic stuff. I think that I used too much, or maybe something else caused the smell.:leaf::leaf::finger:
 

Wolverine97

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We might be in the same stomping grounds. I'll have to pay them another visit real soon and see if I get another bag. If I get another freebie I'll use this one more wisely, based on what I am hearing, this is really some decent organic stuff. I think that I used too much, or maybe something else caused the smell.:leaf::leaf::finger:
I haven't opened any of mine yet, so I can't speak to the smell just yet.:bigjoint:
 

HIDDEN42O

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I've been using the Insect Frass for 2 and a half grows now and I can really say this stuff works good!

I've been using it in my organic hydro and soil gardens and I haven't had any issues with smell like the other guy

The guy at the shop told me besides feeding the plant with organic fertilizer it makes the plant think it is being attacked by insects.

He said this tricks the plant into growing faster to replace eaten vegetation and to strengthen its cell walls.

I think it is way easier to use than liquid nutes in soil because all I did was premix into the soil and water. Then in flower I just top fed with some of the frass and watered.

Easiest fertilizer ive ever used. period. https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/gc.gif
So this stuff has the same effect as Scorpion Juice or Bud Factor X?
 

HIDDEN42O

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Supposedly it triggers the same SAR response in the plant, though I didn't think Scorpion Juice did that, just X.
You may be right I really am not positive. When I used way back i really hadn't researched why i was using it I just saw it do wonders for a buddies crop ;)

i just swear i remember reading somewhere that scorpion juice made our girls think they were being attacked by insects and then they changed scorpion juice into x.

Either way though I might just give this stuff a try. Pretty cheap?
 

Wolverine97

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You may be right I really am not positive. When I used way back i really hadn't researched why i was using it I just saw it do wonders for a buddies crop ;)

i just swear i remember reading somewhere that scorpion juice made our girls think they were being attacked by insects and then they changed scorpion juice into x.

Either way though I might just give this stuff a try. Pretty cheap?
Really I'm not sure what it costs, I was given a couple bags to try at my local hydro store. I was also given the entire Xtreme Gardening lineup as a tester, w00t! The Azos has me very excited, we'll see if it does what they say.
 

Kygiacomo

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I know this is a old thread but i was just curious if anyone is using this yet? i have some and love it! u can buy frass instead of bud factor x and get the same or better effects..chitosan is the active ingredient in BFX which is why it works so great
 

Kygiacomo

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Supposedly it triggers the same SAR response in the plant, though I didn't think Scorpion Juice did that, just X.
how did u like the frass wolverine97? i have been using it now for a couple months in veg and have noticed a nice spurt of growth evertime i spray it on my plants. i was initally looking for chitosan for bud rot prevention and found frass has a high content of chitosan in it,which is what bud factor x has in it. im about to start spraying my 3 hit combo of SAR/ISR inducers on my plant to make them stronger before flowering starts with frass,aloe vera and regalia. im hoping these 3 SAR inducers will work in harmony with one another and amplify the effects of SAR from each compound
 

OrganaFrass

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how did u like the frass wolverine97? i have been using it now for a couple months in veg and have noticed a nice spurt of growth evertime i spray it on my plants. i was initally looking for chitosan for bud rot prevention and found frass has a high content of chitosan in it,which is what bud factor x has in it. im about to start spraying my 3 hit combo of SAR/ISR inducers on my plant to make them stronger before flowering starts with frass,aloe vera and regalia. im hoping these 3 SAR inducers will work in harmony with one another and amplify the effects of SAR from each compound
Hey Kygiacomo - I am just starting to trial frass with a few producers in Canada and the states - Let me know if you're free to chat some time :)

Russ
 
Thread gets a bump every so often:) I raise mealworms and have lithe of the material to get out of my bins. I just happened to read on it again while looking at regular worm castings for fungal and powdery control. I mix it according to what's online, want to say a tbsp/gal. I got results past what just the wc were doing. These seedlings were lagging a bit and I noticed improvent the first day and much more after 2 days. Taller, more leaf or better leaf and stems standing right up and thicker . I hadn't had a fan on them earlier on while sprouting and growing for transplant. Good info online it seems. Oh it can start stinking so add it to teas at the end like a few hours to a day before with at least shaking or if you have an airstone. Give it a try. There was also more I fo I havmt went tinto yet about feeding it earlier in flower as well for better blooms.
 

TaoRich

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Another late reply / 2022 bump.

My mate is doing big time research into Black Soldier Fly larvae - he's the principal research officer for a venture featured on Shark Tank.

Their commercial goal is high protein animal feedstock produced from the end-stage larvae fed on farming and vegetable waste. The fly has 7 larval development stages, from maggot to fly - so they freeze dry the critters before their final transformation.

So I got 20 litres of his frass by-product.

That's essentially all the larvae poop, as well as the exo-skeletons they shed along the way. After the initial wormy white maggot stage, they have hard little shells that look more like a little flat armadillo than a worm.

Seeing as this is a academic research and commercial venture, he's got loads of testing and analysis information.

+300,000 microbes per small test sample.

When the frass is dried, that drops to 30,000 - but as soon as you add some nutrients and liquid, that rockets back up to crazy numbers.

Very high in nitrogen.
And super high in chitin.

My plants are outdoor, in 20 litre plastic pots. Organic living soil made for last year's grow. At least 30% of the volume went through my worm bin, which I fed from supermarket spoilage including a more than a few kilograms of avocados, strawberries, countless bananas, coffee grounds, hundreds of egg shells, brewers spent grain, and fresh kelp harvested from my local beach, and a bucket of prawn shells.

Back to the frass:

I top dressed the soil with a layer about 2.5cm - or an unmetricated inch.

His recommendation is 3% frass by volume due to the high nitrogen.

Now - in my opinion - I can afford to go a little bit higher with levels, because I'm feeding my soil, and not my plants. My soil already has a strong healthy rhizosphere teeming with microbial life, and the rhizosphere feeds on any organic nutrients I add. They in turn shit out their waste in forms that my plant roots can either readily take up as needed, or ignore if not needed.

I also made up a 20 litre batch of fermented compost tea with the frass:

We have 2 plastic compost drums out back that we fill with our kitchen waste, so I poured a litre of water into each, and collected the drippings from out the bottom. It comes out black and thick and rich.

I added about a litre of the dry frass to the 2 litres of black compost juice, about a cup of brown sugar, and a few handfuls of same-day-fresh green lawn grass cuttings, and filled the rest with water.

Within a day, the mixture was fermenting and bubbling, and needed regular burping to avoid a very stinky potential 'explosion'. So the nutes in the compost juice and the brown sugar definitely bring the frass microorganisms back to life and rapid reproduction.

I'm using that tea about once a week, diluting with 3 parts water.

Every now and then, I remove my 5cm bark compost mulch layer from the top of my pots, to uncover the soil surface proper - and that is always rich and dark and damp thanks to the sun protection which allows topsoil microbes to thrive instead of baking dead dry under the harsh African sun. I spread a sparse surface layer of the chunky bits of the tea - the frass bits and the fermented grass. The mulch layer goes back on top.

Plants are happy and healthy, with deep dark bottle green leaves. About 3 weeks into flower now, starting to emit warm fruity terpenes, and super sticky to the touch.

Minimal bug damage to a few random leaves, no bugs moving in and taking over. Everything looks resilient and balanced.

TL;DR

My approach is to go for as much biodiversity as possible. Different sources, different angles, different species.

That way, if something does start to 'upset a balance' or try to take over, then there's another group of organisms that will take advantage of the excess, and eat the rogues and get them back down into check and balance.

So Frass is a welcome addition to my populations.

( I'll post some pics later when I get my lazy ass out of bed. )

[ edit: spelling and autocorrect changing 'frass' to grass' ]
 
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