Blue Dream 800W Induction Lights SOG

[Illumination]

Yes.

And while I'm here to share my results I'm not here to prove anything to anyone aside from those on the fence about the technology and I only doing this for myself (i'm not a vendor and I'm my own patient supplying my own meds). While I think I have a somewhat comparable setup to HID I never messed with 400W HPS. 1000W HPS in a 4x4 was overkill on lights too and that's just the way I enjoyed growing with HPS my previous grow so it seemed logical to replace my 1-1000W HPS with 2-400W induction. I never was trying to go for 1g/W and never presented this as a good setup to directly compare to your 2-400W HPS in any way; I'm also not trying to sell you anything.

If I wanted the "best way to test these lights" I would have a whole room dedicated to tent HPS grows with different wattages and another room full of tents with different combinations and wattages of induction lamps. If I wanted the "best way to test these lights" I would have set every grow up in the exact same fashion with the exact same strains. However, I'm not a salesman and I remind you I'm just here to share the results and possibly shut up some naysayers while I do it. If you compare to my last grow there are tons of differences that have made a difference in yield and plant growth such as using individual pots for SOG instead of just rockwool blocks laid out as well as a more educated approach with regards to this strain and nutrient needs.

You might want to harass me about these things too and make impressions on the lights based on those factors while you're at it. However, it won't really affect anything and I could care less whether you are sold on the technology as I'm not a salesman and have no stake in this game aside from curiosity and my personal buds.

And when you say "and the threadstarter ONLY tried 2-400W over a 4x4, that's no breakthrough" please realize I came down with leukemia in 2009 and started my first grow in late 2010 as a means to save some money on what I spending on meds. I documented my first grow with HPS and found these lights and decided to give them a try in order to get rid of my AC and not worry about heat problems while reducing my energy bill each month so I could pay for insurance premiums and prescriptions easier. Not to convince you to buy lights or change out your HPS setup.

Sol, let me first say that was an excellent explanation of what you are doing. And the plants look awesome. I also offer apologies for the exchange we had on another thread. Also please know that it was never you that had pressed my buttons but rather the uninformed idiot salesman on that thread that did. This is a really nice setup and the non ac is a very valuable asset.

Would you happen to know the btu or measured heat productions of the units? As I am soon to build another room and as it will be sealed and I live in the high desert I would still need ac but if these truly produce less btu's then it would benefit me in much the same way as you. See even with the lights off during the day in summer here it would still get too hot.

So I hope you can meet me here as I stretch out my hand in friendship and we can share and learn how to grow the best plants as well as the best people we can be....

I send healing thoughts and energy your way....hope all is well with your ailment....

Namaste'

 

[zem]

Yes.

And while I'm here to share my results I'm not here to prove anything to anyone aside from those on the fence about the technology and I only doing this for myself (i'm not a vendor and I'm my own patient supplying my own meds). While I think I have a somewhat comparable setup to HID I never messed with 400W HPS. 1000W HPS in a 4x4 was overkill on lights too and that's just the way I enjoyed growing with HPS my previous grow so it seemed logical to replace my 1-1000W HPS with 2-400W induction. I never was trying to go for 1g/W and never presented this as a good setup to directly compare to your 2-400W HPS in any way; I'm also not trying to sell you anything.

If I wanted the "best way to test these lights" I would have a whole room dedicated to tent HPS grows with different wattages and another room full of tents with different combinations and wattages of induction lamps. If I wanted the "best way to test these lights" I would have set every grow up in the exact same fashion with the exact same strains. However, I'm not a salesman and I remind you I'm just here to share the results and possibly shut up some naysayers while I do it. If you compare to my last grow there are tons of differences that have made a difference in yield and plant growth such as using individual pots for SOG instead of just rockwool blocks laid out as well as a more educated approach with regards to this strain and nutrient needs.

You might want to harass me about these things too and make impressions on the lights based on those factors while you're at it. However, it won't really affect anything and I could care less whether you are sold on the technology as I'm not a salesman and have no stake in this game aside from curiosity and my personal buds.

And when you say "and the threadstarter ONLY tried 2-400W over a 4x4, that's no breakthrough" please realize I came down with leukemia in 2009 and started my first grow in late 2010 as a means to save some money on what I spending on meds. I documented my first grow with HPS and found these lights and decided to give them a try in order to get rid of my AC and not worry about heat problems while reducing my energy bill each month so I could pay for insurance premiums and prescriptions easier. Not to convince you to buy lights or change out your HPS setup.

dude i never harrassed you, i know you're no salesman and i am actually interested in induction light just have no proof so i came here interested to see results but saw that you used 800w over 4x4 and that didn't sound like any better to electric usage than hps at all since one could use 600w hps to cover this. i still wonder how would a 400w induction flower a 4x4, if it's as good as a 600 hps would i will get it tomorrow, so i never intended on ridiculing in any way your idea on trying induction. never meant to sound harsh just pushing for info lol anyway, i will never even be getting any 400w anymore cuz i smoke very little and grow so well, that a 400w hps gives me way more than i want, so i go a long time between grows, and i like to grow so i've been looking at the 70 watt HPS for a nice microgrow, i hope you all the best in your health hope the weed makes it all better cheers

 

[D.Gotti]

big smiles people! no reason for butting heads. no finger pointing either.

as zem said.....i hope you ALL the best of health and the happiest of grows.

 

[adamic]

I just got mine in today and will start hanging them tomorrow. My first impression is I've never seen a lamp that looked anything like these before. They're huge and the glass walls seem thicker compared to any other fluorescent lamps I've ever seen. And yes I don't believe I'll need the AC anymore either so that is definitely a welcome savings.

BTW when do you think you're going to harvest and are you still going with the 72 hours of darkness?

I really want to thank you again for this journal. I for one have learned a bunch.

 

[solcielo]

Sol, let me first say that was an excellent explanation of what you are doing. And the plants look awesome. I also offer apologies for the exchange we had on another thread. Also please know that it was never you that had pressed my buttons but rather the uninformed idiot salesman on that thread that did. This is a really nice setup and the non ac is a very valuable asset.

Would you happen to know the btu or measured heat productions of the units? As I am soon to build another room and as it will be sealed and I live in the high desert I would still need ac but if these truly produce less btu's then it would benefit me in much the same way as you. See even with the lights off during the day in summer here it would still get too hot.

So I hope you can meet me here as I stretch out my hand in friendship and we can share and learn how to grow the best plants as well as the best people we can be....

I send healing thoughts and energy your way....hope all is well with your ailment....

Namaste'

Of course man no hard feelings. I apologize for being pretty touchy to you and Zem both as well. I've found myself being a little more wound up and easily set off than normal recently but I'm still tapering off a whole lot of steroids and other meds so sometimes I have to step back and just breathe and smoke a bowl or three.


As to the heat produced I could take a stab that with purported efficiencies and total wattage ... they produce very little sound so I think any inefficiency could reasonable be assumed to be put off as heat. However, rather than possibly say something wrong I'd recommend talking to one of the engineers at the shop as I'm sure they've done such measurements in sealed containers to get an actual number figure of BTU put off by each wattage. Maybe when I empty the tent of plants and reservoirs I'll set up one of the lights and measure the temperature difference between tent and room and estimate BTU's put off but till then I just don't know ... not too much

 

[solcielo]

I just got mine in today and will start hanging them tomorrow. My first impression is I've never seen a lamp that looked anything like these before. They're huge and the glass walls seem thicker compared to any other fluorescent lamps I've ever seen. And yes I don't believe I'll need the AC anymore either so that is definitely a welcome savings.

BTW when do you think you're going to harvest and are you still going with the 72 hours of darkness?

I really want to thank you again for this journal. I for one have learned a bunch.

Hey man congratulations it's a little scary making the investment in something new but I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy them. When you say the glass walls are thicker do you mean the walls of the bulb? I assume so because the lamps shouldn't have any glass enclosure to the bulb it's just a metal grid. I've never really looked at any fluorescent lamps aside from smashing a case of them we stole from the grocery store against my friends one by one in fake light-saber battles as a little punk teen ... lol won't be doing that with these I don't think.

As to the schedule for harvest I think I've got the mite population well under control and only one plant was really taken out and it's harvested already so I'm going to stick to the original 8-week plan. Tuesday night after lights off I'm going to introduce my last 1000 or so lady bugs (bought 1500 for $8 originally and dumped about 1/3 of them in) and give them Wednesday to enjoy basking under the light while murdering mites then zip up the tent entirely Wednesday night after lights off and unplug the lights and pump. I'll leave the fans and filters running to keep air moving around but after that I'll stop watering them for about 72 hours and leave them in the dark with all those voracious little lady bugs to finish up the mites. Plan to use my vacuum cleaner hose as I trim to collect the lady bugs and do a full harvest on Saturday morning sometime.

Just changed the reservoir 2 days ago and starting at 20ppm it's dissolved enough salts to rise up to 400ppm already and about half emptied from evaporation and thirsty girls so one more change/refill should really finish cleaning it up nicely in anticipation of only 3 more days watering and a harvest in 6. The first res change brought it from 10ppm to 750ppm when completely full.

 

[solcielo]

day 48 12/12

 

[solcielo]

Here's the one I had to pull out the other day because of the mites. Was definitely not going to recover so I figured I'd dry/cure it for hash or maybe to just smoke some yummy rosemary laden mite corpses with my bud ... little fuckers.

 

[solcielo]

day 50 12/12

 

[solcielo]

heeeeeeey!!!! get back to work already!

 

[squarepush3r]

LED was the hype for the past few years, I have yet to see one really impress me. Too bad your test grow didn't work out I woudl really like to see if these have any potential.

 

[xyzxyz]

LED was the hype for the past few years, I have yet to see one really impress me. Too bad your test grow didn't work out I woudl really like to see if these have any potential.

Didnt work out? How so?

 

[chazbolin]

You're correct in that there is nothing acting as an enclosure around the glass of the lamp itself it's just an observation that with the larger diameter it seems like the glass itself is thicker clearly making it unwieldy for the saber battle I had never considered using them for. That had to be fun!

Anyway I got them all up Saturday and I like the layout and coverage. One thing I can report is that I had a couple droopers that I did not think were going to make in my closet grow that have perked up quite nicely in the last 48 hours since being under the new lights. So now I'll probably finish these under the new lights before I start the new grow.

Thanks for the pics. Is this strain typically an 8 week grow?

Hey man congratulations it's a little scary making the investment in something new but I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy them. When you say the glass walls are thicker do you mean the walls of the bulb? I assume so because the lamps shouldn't have any glass enclosure to the bulb it's just a metal grid. I've never really looked at any fluorescent lamps aside from smashing a case of them we stole from the grocery store against my friends one by one in fake light-saber battles as a little punk teen ... lol won't be doing that with these I don't think.

As to the schedule for harvest I think I've got the mite population well under control and only one plant was really taken out and it's harvested already so I'm going to stick to the original 8-week plan. Tuesday night after lights off I'm going to introduce my last 1000 or so lady bugs (bought 1500 for $8 originally and dumped about 1/3 of them in) and give them Wednesday to enjoy basking under the light while murdering mites then zip up the tent entirely Wednesday night after lights off and unplug the lights and pump. I'll leave the fans and filters running to keep air moving around but after that I'll stop watering them for about 72 hours and leave them in the dark with all those voracious little lady bugs to finish up the mites. Plan to use my vacuum cleaner hose as I trim to collect the lady bugs and do a full harvest on Saturday morning sometime.

Just changed the reservoir 2 days ago and starting at 20ppm it's dissolved enough salts to rise up to 400ppm already and about half emptied from evaporation and thirsty girls so one more change/refill should really finish cleaning it up nicely in anticipation of only 3 more days watering and a harvest in 6. The first res change brought it from 10ppm to 750ppm when completely full.

 

[solcielo]

LED was the hype for the past few years, I have yet to see one really impress me. Too bad your test grow didn't work out I woudl really like to see if these have any potential.

damn i'm really disappointed that you don't see any potential in these lights. obviously you've been following this thread from the beginning because you can see just how much I really care about whether or not you wanted to buy these lights. because you have yet to be impressed by my journal I think I'm going to chop everything down and run it under the lawn mower 5 days before harvest, run out and go buy back my 1000W hps and air conditioner and start spending another $80 a month in energy so I have a better chance at impressing you.

save your opinions for a thread that cares about them.

 

[solcielo]

You're correct in that there is nothing acting as an enclosure around the glass of the lamp itself it's just an observation that with the larger diameter it seems like the glass itself is thicker clearly making it unwieldy for the saber battle I had never considered using them for. That had to be fun!

Anyway I got them all up Saturday and I like the layout and coverage. One thing I can report is that I had a couple droopers that I did not think were going to make in my closet grow that have perked up quite nicely in the last 48 hours since being under the new lights. So now I'll probably finish these under the new lights before I start the new grow.

Thanks for the pics. Is this strain typically an 8 week grow?

I've found it best not to look at the clones within a day or two of transplant; they always look like shit then perk up. This strain is said to be a 8-9 week finisher and I always enjoy my buds a little less mature than more mature (more alert and less couch-lock).

 

[xyzxyz]

For what its worth Sol, Im glad you documented this journal and I am sure that with time, each grow will improve as you work out what is optimal with these lights.

Are you going to let them go the 9 weeks? Might be worth a trial thought I remember you said you like pulling them early.

 

[solcielo]

For what its worth Sol, Im glad you documented this journal and I am sure that with time, each grow will improve as you work out what is optimal with these lights.

Are you going to let them go the 9 weeks? Might be worth a trial thought I remember you said you like pulling them early.

T-4 days to harvest for an 8 week harvest.

 

[D.Gotti]

couple days left huh?

 

[zem]

T-4 days to harvest for an 8 week harvest.

dude i hope you read this before harvest, don't harvest at 8 weeks, check the trichs, i have found that 8 week strains usually would take 10 weeks and the extra time you wait is priceless! you will get the best effect out of them, really makes all the difference. pocket scope is like 10$ radioshack.
there's much potential in these lights, wana see them tried for double the area of your room! like 800w over 8x4, would you consider doing this? it would be awesome! and thanks for being that adventurer who tries new stuff nice buds

 

[solcielo]

dude i hope you read this before harvest, don't harvest at 8 weeks, check the trichs, i have found that 8 week strains usually would take 10 weeks and the extra time you wait is priceless! you will get the best effect out of them, really makes all the difference. pocket scope is like 10$ radioshack.
there's much potential in these lights, wana see them tried for double the area of your room! like 800w over 8x4, would you consider doing this? it would be awesome! and thanks for being that adventurer who tries new stuff nice buds

15-25% amber trich's with lots of amber heads and all all milky. I'm there dude. I bought a couple 60x scopes from fleabay for like $2 each months ago. Not going to scale up to an 8x4 tent for lack of space.