Why Is High Diff Between Vape and a Bong?

[62Blunts]

hey whats goin on people, i have a nice bong and i also got a decent box vaporizer...i have learned the high from smoking each is pretty different, anybody kno why? is it because the vapor actually delivers more THC into your system?....also, whats the right temp i should set my vape at? ive always set it between 310-320F....usually works best...should i try lower?

 

[justparanoid]

I still havent had "the experience" from a vape yet. Ive gotten high, but never one that totally converted me over. Which vape do you have?

JP

 

[keifcake]

i think its combination of getting more of the thc, and none of the burning plant matter and all the impurities that are in it.

I use a vapir one, you can get one on ebay for about 150, way cheaper than a valcono. Its a nice little handheld unit.

 

[Oldreefer]

I use an extreme q.....set it at 200c (392F)....gives some great dense vapor in a bag.....the diff to me in bongs and vapes....bong gives ya a faster headrush/body stone but vapor hits give a harder longer hit......it's about preference....I like dem'vapes.....

 

[justparanoid]

i have the vapir one too. cool 392 huh? Thats higher than i would have guessed. I will try it.

JP

 

[Sr. Verde]

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy2.html



First off, go look up what 'cannabinoids' are... what THC, CBN, CBD etc. do to your brain


Different cannabinoids being released, or different amounts of these cannabinoids being delivered with different methods.. like burning or vaporizing

if you vaporize correctly, you can vaporize all these different cannabinoids, resulting in a more full bodied high.. vaporizers also deliver MORE cannabiods than smoking... the act of burning it destroys some of the delicious psychoactive material.. where vaporizing is verrry efficient.


questions answered correctly??

vape temps of weed range between like 330F-395F... I use my volcano at 365F-392F... I find that spectrum rewarding for thick vapors

 

[keifcake]

I tried starting mine around 390 sumin and was smoking and shit... depending on the quality of bud, reggie i usually start at 350, and do a reburn at about 380 unless its not vaping well then straight to 380
Good stuff i start around 330 and work up from there.

I love them vapes!!! Usded to be nothing but them blunts, but during the course of one semester im saving on very very conservative figure of 400 bucks on blunts alone, not to mention how much bud i save...

 

[jdizzle22]

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy2.html



First off, go look up what 'cannabinoids' are... what THC, CBN, CBD etc. do to your brain


Different cannabinoids being released, or different amounts of these cannabinoids being delivered with different methods.. like burning or vaporizing

if you vaporize correctly, you can vaporize all these different cannabinoids, resulting in a more full bodied high.. vaporizers also deliver MORE cannabiods than smoking... the act of burning it destroys some of the delicious psychoactive material.. where vaporizing is verrry efficient.


questions answered correctly??

vape temps of weed range between like 330F-395F... I use my volcano at 365F-392F... I find that spectrum rewarding for thick vapors

Not just some but potentially as high as 80% is destroyed when burnt. I think NORML cosponsored lab study showed volcano to deliver like 60-80% of the good stuff while smoking (without a filter, yes including bongs which do filter some THC) only got you about 20% or less. I set my volcano to 7 which is 395 degrees I believe, .2g ground herb seems to get me 3-4 times as 'high' as smoking .2gs ground

 

[poplars]

all I know is we've been smoking cannabis since the stone age... you're not getting more stoned because of impurities, you're getting a lot more cannabinoids per hit vs vapor... vapor gives you a stream of cannabinoids in different contents less cbd unless you're vaping really hot....

I just think it's funny that people automatically say it's because of all the impurities of smoke that get yo u higher when there's absolutely no scientific evidence backing such statements, in fact it's complete idiocy... if you only hold your hits in 3-5 seconds you're blowing out 85% of the impurities, blowing out 95% of the carbon monoxide before it can even be absorbed (it's absorbed slower than thc in our lungs...)

so the reason the highs are different is because you're steaming it out at a lower temperature rather than charring it out at a higher temperature...

I've also noticed the average vape user takes twice as many hits as the average smoker... good example of how you're getting a stream of cannabinoids rather than abrupt cloud of them....

and I have to call bullshit on the statement of flame destroying 80%... the only studies I've found all state around 30-40%.... and even that is debate-able....


I go by the end result... I get way higher from smoking than I ever did from vaping... and that will never change. some may enjoy the head high vs the body high but I like to have both, and vaping couldn't give me that and it messed with my lungs (that's a story for another day that I don't feel like explaining right now...)

that's just my 2c on this subject...

 

[RawBudzski]

Yea what pop said.

 

[secretweapon]

I feel that I get much more of a head rush Vaping then smoking out of my bongs, the bong effect burns thc and all of the cbd's cbn's leaving me still with a head rush but much more of a body rush also, Vaping experience is like loving your woman, its clean, comfortable and relaxing where as tokeing out of a bong is like picking up a crazy bar slut and doing the nasty! Personally I prefer both!

 

[poplars]

I feel that I get much more of a head rush Vaping then smoking out of my bongs, the bong effect burns thc and all of the cbd's cbn's leaving me still with a head rush but much more of a body rush also, Vaping experience is like loving your woman, its clean, comfortable and relaxing where as tokeing out of a bong is like picking up a crazy bar slut and doing the nasty! Personally I prefer both!

definitely more head rushes during vaping....
I've had such a hardcore headrush from vaping I literally fell down on my back....

 

[doowmd]

Been wanting to get a vape, but been having this debate in my head; "does vaping waste bud?"
The reason I've been asking myself that is because I've read posts on here about ppl vaping herb twice, or rolling j's out of the vaped weed, or making hash out of vaped weed, and it seems like if those things are possible than a person couldn't be getting as much out of the vape (the first one anyway).

 

[PetFlora]

I don't get the head rush from the vap, it creeps up on me.

 

[secretweapon]

I don't get the head rush from the vap, it creeps up on me.

Yes! It creeps up on you after like 2 minutes! I do vapor bong rips and that's an instant head rush. Hitting it from the whip its a creeper experience.

 

[jdizzle22]

Been wanting to get a vape, but been having this debate in my head; "does vaping waste bud?"
The reason I've been asking myself that is because I've read posts on here about ppl vaping herb twice, or rolling j's out of the vaped weed, or making hash out of vaped weed, and it seems like if those things are possible than a person couldn't be getting as much out of the vape (the first one anyway).

No smoking wastes weed compared to vaporizing not the other way around. You can vape the same bud several times because you are using lower temps than a smoker. You are basically cooking out the good stuff and since you didn't straight up destroy most of it like with smoking you can cook it even longer. I could set my volcano to max temp and vape everything into 1 bag but this would be bad (more carcinogens, harsher vape, probably less flavor or more smoke like flavor from the higher temps). That is the wonderful thing about vaporizers is not only do they get most people 3-4 times as blitzed, but then there is still enough THC left over you could make brownies or something (you can never get all the THC out, but vape gets you more of it than smoking ever can). The higher the vaporizing temp the more bad stuff there will be, you do several bags at a lower temp so you get more of the good stuff and less of the bad stuff.

all I know is we've been smoking cannabis since the stone age... you're not getting more stoned because of impurities, you're getting a lot more cannabinoids per hit vs vapor... vapor gives you a stream of cannabinoids in different contents less cbd unless you're vaping really hot....

I just think it's funny that people automatically say it's because of all the impurities of smoke that get yo u higher when there's absolutely no scientific evidence backing such statements, in fact it's complete idiocy... if you only hold your hits in 3-5 seconds you're blowing out 85% of the impurities, blowing out 95% of the carbon monoxide before it can even be absorbed (it's absorbed slower than thc in our lungs...)

so the reason the highs are different is because you're steaming it out at a lower temperature rather than charring it out at a higher temperature...

I've also noticed the average vape user takes twice as many hits as the average smoker... good example of how you're getting a stream of cannabinoids rather than abrupt cloud of them....

and I have to call bullshit on the statement of flame destroying 80%... the only studies I've found all state around 30-40%.... and even that is debate-able....


I go by the end result... I get way higher from smoking than I ever did from vaping... and that will never change. some may enjoy the head high vs the body high but I like to have both, and vaping couldn't give me that and it messed with my lungs (that's a story for another day that I don't feel like explaining right now...)

that's just my 2c on this subject...

Its not exactly correct to say you get more cannabinoids from smoking than you do from vaping. It would be more accurate to say you get different amounts, ex: vaporizing gets you 3-4x as much THC but less of certain other cannabinoids (which will effect your high but are not as important as the THC). While smoking gets you 1/3rd-1/4 the THC of vaping but more of other cannabinoids. Smoking gives you more of a false high from all the impurities/carcinogens, but I wouldn't worry about it personally. I don't know why vaping gets you less high than smoking, but for 98% of people a vaporizer (ok well a good one that actually works and runs at a high enough temp) vaporizers are the way to go because they get you more high/stoned with less herb. I am not saying you are wrong in your case, just that you are a rare exception to the rule.

I'm also not saying Vaporizing>Smoking on anything other than simply THC amounts. Each has its pros and cons and different high. Some say you can taste the herb better with vaporizing as the heat isn't enough to kill the terpenoids, but I'm not sure about it myself.

 

[poplars]

No smoking wastes weed compared to vaporizing not the other way around. You can vape the same bud several times because you are using lower temps than a smoker. You are basically cooking out the good stuff and since you didn't straight up destroy most of it like with smoking you can cook it even longer. I could set my volcano to max temp and vape everything into 1 bag but this would be bad (more carcinogens, harsher vape, probably less flavor or more smoke like flavor from the higher temps). That is the wonderful thing about vaporizers is not only do they get most people 3-4 times as blitzed, but then there is still enough THC left over you could make brownies or something (you can never get all the THC out, but vape gets you more of it than smoking ever can). The higher the vaporizing temp the more bad stuff there will be, you do several bags at a lower temp so you get more of the good stuff and less of the bad stuff.



Its not exactly correct to say you get more cannabinoids from smoking than you do from vaping. It would be more accurate to say you get different amounts, ex: vaporizing gets you 3-4x as much THC but less of certain other cannabinoids (which will effect your high but are not as important as the THC). While smoking gets you 1/3rd-1/4 the THC of vaping but more of other cannabinoids. Smoking gives you more of a false high from all the impurities/carcinogens, but I wouldn't worry about it personally. I don't know why vaping gets you less high than smoking, but for 98% of people a vaporizer (ok well a good one that actually works and runs at a high enough temp) vaporizers are the way to go because they get you more high/stoned with less herb. I am not saying you are wrong in your case, just that you are a rare exception to the rule.

I'm also not saying Vaporizing>Smoking on anything other than simply THC amounts. Each has its pros and cons and different high. Some say you can taste the herb better with vaporizing as the heat isn't enough to kill the terpenoids, but I'm not sure about it myself.

lol @ false high...

sorry but you sound like a vaping elitist who has no info whatsoever backing up such ridiculous claims about smoking.... sorry I know you say you're not saying vaping > smoking but this statement about the false high is complete bullshit.

there is no university study backing it up, nothing but heresay bullshit. it is not the impurities getting you high, its the CANNABINOIDs. if you get higher from smoke than vape you're definitely g etting more cannabinoids. maybe a little less thc but not SIGNIFICANTLY less thc, if you're getting stoned and high you're getting stoned and high... why call the smoking high a false high if you're getting high? especially when you have 0 evidence to support your ridiculous claim of impurities getting you high.

common this isn't tobacco here, it's CANNABIS.

 

[Sr. Verde]

norml says


http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy2.html



just posting an actual controlled study... not getting into this... people can believe what they want

 

[poplars]

norml says


http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy2.html


just posting an actual controlled study... not getting into this... people can believe what they want

well I say nothing bad about vape other than it was bad for my own particular lungs...

nothing in that study says that impurities in the smoke get you high.

here's a study that repots absolutely no cases ofemphasema or lung cancer from chronic cannabis smoking:

http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/38/1/1.abstract

and it wont cause bronchitis as long as you don't abuse your lungs taking huge deep rips and holding them in deep.

sr. verde, remember how my lungs were fucking with me for months and months and months while I was still vaping? (I don't want to get into the cause, I have plenty of evidence for myself to prove to myself that vaping caused this all for me.) when I switched to moderate smoking, not taking too big of rips and not holding them in very long, my lung issues have virtually dissapeared. I haven't had a night of waking up with my right lung inflammed in over a month....

just sayin...

 

[Sr. Verde]

Poplars, I think I was posting the study for actual information... not the random guesses

ex: vaporizing gets you 3-4x as much THC but less of certain other cannabinoids (which will effect your high but are not as important as the THC). While smoking gets you 1/3rd-1/4 the THC of vaping but more of other cannabinoids. Smoking gives you more of a false high from all the impurities/carcinogens, but I wouldn't worry about it personally. I don't know why vaping gets you less high than smoking, but for 98% of people a vaporizer (ok well a good one that actually works and runs at a high enough temp) vaporizers are the way to go because they get you more high/stoned with less herb. I am not saying you are wrong in your case, just that you are a rare exception to the rule.

You can find the real information in the study I posted

like dude... (not pops) get your facts straight before you go responding to posts in multiple paragraphs