CO2 Methods - Tank, Liquids, etc.. And why CO2 is important

I wasn't able to find much about CO2 searching the RIU forms, so I figured I would start a common thread so everyone could share their knowledge on the subject. There are many methods of creating additional CO2 ranging from CO2 tanks to you just spending time in your grow room. Marijuana plants can utilize 5x times the amount of CO2 that is normally in the air.

Below is some basics you should know about CO2:

Plants require carbon dioxide (CO2) to conduct photosynthesis. You can enrich atmospheres with additional CO2 to sustain and increase plant growth. A photosynthesis-related drop (by a factor less than two) in carbon dioxide concentration in a greenhouse compartment would kill green plants, or, at least, completely stop their growth. At very high concentrations (a factor of 100 or more higher than its atmospheric concentration), carbon dioxide can be toxic to animal life, so raising the concentration to 10,000 ppm (1%) or higher for several hours will eliminate pests such as white-flies and spider mites in a greenhouse.

CO2 is made up of one carbon molecule and two oxygen molecules that are in a gaseous form at standard conditions for temperature and pressure. But enough of the elementary science, how is it important to your plants ? The role of CO2 is not a complicated one to understand, photosynthesis is a process that all plants use to converts carbon dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from light. Now what this means to you is that your plants require CO2 to make food for themselves, pretty simple. Not so fast.

Where is it? In the very air you are breathing right now. With that being said, why would you need CO2 at amounts greater than what is in the air? Good question. Let’s break the explanation down.

CO2 in the air is at about 400-450 ppm (parts per million). At first glance that seems to be pretty damn good, after all if plants outside can survive quite nicely on that concentration why mess with it indoors? The primary reason for increasing CO2 levels is plant growth. Recall that CO2 is used to make food for your plants, increase the supply of what makes food and you have bigger plants.

Now like all things, moderation is key, there comes point where you can have too much CO2 in the environment and actually damage your plants. The most serious impact of excess CO2 is to reduce the plant’s stomas opening. Why is this important? Stomas, in the botanical sense, are pores in plants which allow the plant to breathe or transpire. This reduced opening results in less CO2 absorption and less transpiration.

Transpiration is a key process for plants because water and nutrient absorption depends on it. Now what is transpiration? It is like sweating but for plants, in laymen’s terms. In your hydroponic system, the nutrient solution is absorbed by the roots, it travels up the plant and the extra water that the plant does not need is released by the stomas. That is transpiration in a nutshell. There is more to the process than that, but for our purposes we only need to illustrate the concept. About 90% of the water that enters a plant’s roots is used for transpiration.

So that brings us to humidity as a result of increased CO2 in your grow system’s environment Think of it in these terms. Your plant is in optimal growing conditions, what does it do? It grows like mad. With that increase in growth there is an increase in the byproducts of photosynthesis, mainly water and oxygen via transpiration. You do need to watch for the increase in humidity as it can allow for the growth of fungi and no one wants that in their grow room. Good ventilation is vital for plants growth and the prevention of fungi..

You will also need to pay close attention to your growing environments temperature. When you “enrich” your crop with CO2 you need to adjust the temperature as well. As much as 13oC (8oF). Just keep in mind that the plant’s metabolism works much faster when exposed to that “enrichment” so all your crops requirements will increase as well. CO2 as an addition can increase your yields and be a benefit to your crop done properly. Having said this, if you are just starting out in the wonderful world growing, CO2 enrichment is something that is not absolutely vital to your system. My recommendation is not to jump into CO2 enrichment without proper research.

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Here are some methods of creating C02 that I know of, if anyone knows any other methods please feel free to share.

C02 tank with a drip release system (pressure regulator). You can use any CO2 tank for this, used welding tanks can usually be found the cheapest. CO2 via tank is recommend for mid-lg sized grow setups.

Mixing water with Dry ice.

Mixing a few cups of vinegar with a few tsp of baking soda will create CO2. This can be beneficial in small growing areas.

Mixing water, yeast, and sugar will also create CO2. This is also beneficial in small growing areas.

Spending a little bit of time in the grow room will also increase CO2 levels. Just breathing in your grow room will create CO2, but singing will create even more! My babies love when I sign to them :)

I personally use a combination of vinegar & baking soda in 1 bowl & I have a milk jug with a small hole in the top for my water (1gl), yeast (about 2tsp), and sugar (about 2 cups). The small hole in the top allows the CO2 that is created by the chemical reaction to escape out of the top. Place the container as low as possible, and preferably in front of a fan you have blowing on your plants.

Sources:

Me :) & I copied/edited info from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

http://www.organic-gardeening.com/why-co2-is-so-important-to-hydroponic-systems-and-what-is-it.html

Peace out
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Most people who use co2 are disappointed by the results. The reason for this is they think if they just fire up some co2 they get 50% more weed, not so, lets deal with a couple issues.

YIELD

co2 will increase your yield by 15 to 30% if you have everything else just right. If you don't it will make less of a difference and you will get maybe 10% if lucky.

You need to get your nutrients, temperatures, humidity, light and ph and more down solid and than move to co2 and you will get 20 to 30% more.

Invest in all the right equipment to run co2. My last buy of co2 equipment cost me $1500.00 for the equipment. CAP Green house Controler, CAP co2 monitor and Green Air co2 burner.

My rooms are 10 x 15 x 8 and I go through a BBQ tank every 7 to 10 days, and I run at 1800ppm so the whole room is at 1500ppm when it shuts off.

It takes less than 2 minuets for a plant to use all the co2 around it in a stagnant room, always have a small fan blowing gently.
 
Good points. How much are you paying to fill your tank & how big is it? I'm very interested in a tank setup. Also have thought about dry ice since it is fairly cheap. Right now I make my vinegar mix every other day. I change out my yeast mix every few weeks & shake it up everytime I check on the plants.

Most people who use co2 are disappointed by the results. The reason for this is they think if they just fire up some co2 they get 50% more weed, not so, lets deal with a couple issues.

YIELD

co2 will increase your yield by 15 to 30% if you have everything else just right. If you don't it will make less of a difference and you will get maybe 10% if lucky.

You need to get your nutrients, temperatures, humidity, light and ph and more down solid and than move to co2 and you will get 20 to 30% more.

Invest in all the right equipment to run co2. My last buy of co2 equipment cost me $1500.00 for the equipment. CAP Green house Controler, CAP co2 monitor and Green Air co2 burner.

My rooms are 10 x 15 x 8 and I go through a BBQ tank every 7 to 10 days, and I run at 1800ppm so the whole room is at 1500ppm when it shuts off.

It takes less than 2 minuets for a plant to use all the co2 around it in a stagnant room, always have a small fan blowing gently.
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
20 # tank 25$ regular BBQ tank, easy to get, no one's the wiser and you always have gas for the BBQ, lots of people use just about every method out there but I have alwqys used the tanks due to the size of the rooms.
 

sebastopolian

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Iam using CO2 burner too. Im also going thru same amount a tank a week. And through tons of research...& a little trial & error, and My wonderful boyfriend who never gives up until it's right! We now have a completely controlled enviroment, and we r seeing some really amazing results. Great infro, above... I had to look it all up last year by myself... LOL. Good looking out for the people @ this site that r thinking about using it! Peace & happy gardening!
 

bowlfullofbliss

Well-Known Member
I use bottled......It costs me just under $23 for a 50 lb refill. I choose bottled because it does not produce heat like a burner does, and it doesn't put explosive gas (propane) in my room, which makes me nervous.
 

MoJobud

Active Member
I think the main point that might have been glossed over is to truly benefit from adding co2 is having a sealed room. If you are just dumping co2 in a non sealed room you are just dumping it right out.
 

a mongo frog

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If you are just dumping co2 in a non sealed room you are just dumping it right out.[/QUOTE]

thats false. every one knows a completly seald room is ideal, but if u r enriching and have monitors to show levels are correct you will benifet greatly.
 

profgerbik

New Member
lol i know this might be weird thought. i wouldnt sing to them because half the time i either smoked or vaped something previously that day.

made me wonder if the plant could sense it when i breathed on it, i just let it be and play it music. reminded me of the holocaust, cause we raise the poor things and kill em off for their buds.
like smelling the chared remains of humans flesh lol crazy thought i know but maybe it can? maybe its like i can smell you killing my people! i hear the screams! plants do scream by the way.
they are a lot smarter than we may give them credit for.
 

a mongo frog

Well-Known Member
lol i know this might be weird thought. i wouldnt sing to them because half the time i either smoked or vaped something previously that day.

made me wonder if the plant could sense it when i breathed on it, i just let it be and play it music. reminded me of the holocaust, cause we raise the poor things and kill em off for their buds.
like smelling the chared remains of humans flesh lol crazy thought i know but maybe it can? maybe its like i can smell you killing my people! i hear the screams! plants do scream by the way.
they are a lot smarter than we may give them credit for.
very deep, almost poetic
 

mrduke

Well-Known Member
can anyone recommend a controller/monitor that would be able to cycle a water pump for a tankless water heater type co2 generator? I ve looked at the sentinel cppm4 and the atlas 1,but both are well over 400 bucks
 
C.A.P. PPM-4 CO2 Monitor/Controller about $200. Do a google search for: "CO2 & PPM CONTROLLER" there are quit a few for under $200.

Peace out

can anyone recommend a controller/monitor that would be able to cycle a water pump for a tankless water heater type co2 generator? I ve looked at the sentinel cppm4 and the atlas 1,but both are well over 400 bucks
 

co2Meter

Active Member
CO2Meter.com makes a CO2 controller with a 250V 10A relay for $199. CAP is popular, but make sure the control relay is rated at a high enough amperage to handle your tankless water heater.

You don't want to "smoke" the controller. :-P

- Mark

can anyone recommend a controller/monitor that would be able to cycle a water pump for a tankless water heater type co2 generator? I ve looked at the sentinel cppm4 and the atlas 1,but both are well over 400 bucks
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
lol i know this might be weird thought. i wouldnt sing to them because half the time i either smoked or vaped something previously that day.

made me wonder if the plant could sense it when i breathed on it, i just let it be and play it music. reminded me of the holocaust, cause we raise the poor things and kill em off for their buds.
like smelling the chared remains of humans flesh lol crazy thought i know but maybe it can? maybe its like i can smell you killing my people! i hear the screams! plants do scream by the way.
they are a lot smarter than we may give them credit for.
I wonder what they think when I light a fat one in there almost daily...
 

Illumination

New Member
lol i know this might be weird thought. i wouldnt sing to them because half the time i either smoked or vaped something previously that day.

made me wonder if the plant could sense it when i breathed on it, i just let it be and play it music. reminded me of the holocaust, cause we raise the poor things and kill em off for their buds.
like smelling the chared remains of humans flesh lol crazy thought i know but maybe it can? maybe its like i can smell you killing my people! i hear the screams! plants do scream by the way.
they are a lot smarter than we may give them credit for.

smoke a bowl...it'll be all right:shock:
 

had5onit

Member
If you are just dumping co2 in a non sealed room you are just dumping it right out.
thats false. every one knows a completly seald room is ideal, but if u r enriching and have monitors to show levels are correct you will benifet greatly.[/QUOTE]
dam finaly some one see the light any c02 increase will be worth the plant!i cant comprehend expe.. growers saying you need a c02 tank to see results..........
 
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