white rhino and white widow and Aphrodite

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I have been told twice today that white rhino is mediocre at best due to a lot of trimming and small yields. When this plant hit about three to four weeks it looked like a head of kale. The fan leaves were just covering the under growth. So as soon as a leaf would yellow it was gone. Now it's in week 5 and I am going to let it veg for a total of 6 weeks, have supercropped it and trellised the undergrowth down to soak in the light mounted on the wall. Are these rumors true on the low quaity of white rhino? These are also my first 'real' successful clones.

The white widow I have is two weeks after seedling and will let this go a total of 6 weeks as well. I do this to these as my SOG green cycle is tuned to that and I harvest every 3-6 weeks. The question I have is that I read that the widow is one of the most potent strains there are and will the fan leaves be a problem like on the rhino?

I have never heard of Aphrodite bud but if it yields anything like it looks it is my favorite right now.

The first is the beautiful Aphrodite, then my first real clone which is rhino, then the rhino plant and finally the widow.
 

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very nice dense growth bro, congratz on the cloning.

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my first grow was white rhino, messed up in flowering somewhere tho, im up and running again tho, ill get a clone of it and grow it out soon for ya
 
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Depending on which breeder's knockoff White Widow and White Rhino someone grows they might be mediocre but if someone grows the originals that were renamed Black Widow and Medicine Man, from Mr. Nice Seeds, they won't be mediocre unless the grower doesn't have a clue what they are doing.
 
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Brick Top said:
Depending on which breeder's knockoff White Widow and White Rhino someone grows they might be mediocre but if someone grows the originals that were renamed Black Widow and Medicine Man, from Mr. Nice Seeds, they won't be mediocre unless the grower doesn't have a clue what they are doing.
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very true, on that note, we're gunna loose the good old fashion strains. ive heard stories from a friends grandpa that there were only 3 types afghani, Colombian, and mexican dirt, he broke open a "lid" (ounce, and paided 20 dollars for) and out fell a colombian penny

but the breeders have the say in that
 
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RyAnRioT said:
very true, on that note, we're gunna loose the good old fashion strains. ive heard stories from a friends grandpa that there were only 3 types afghani, Colombian, and mexican dirt, he broke open a "lid" (ounce, and paided 20 dollars for) and out fell a colombian penny

but the breeders have the say in that
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What I consider too be; "the good old fashioned strains" have pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur and full service gas station long ago. As for what; "grandpa" said, maybe there were only three types of strains in his area when he was toking but there were many in mine, many, and they were not modern day crosses, it was previous to the beginning of that era. Typical strains were Colombian Gold, Acapulco Gold, Malawi Gold, Panama Red, Durban Poison, Highland Oaxacan Gold, several unspecified Jamaican sativas, Thai stick and Thai strains and others. This was in the late 60's and 70's in my area. I never saw an Afghani strain or any type of indica or cross with indica in it until a good number of years later. (That was in pot form. We did see hash that was made from indicas from time to time.)

Also back then Mexican strains were not; "dirt." There were many Mexican strains that were anywhere from good to very good to excellent. If you look at the strain lineage of many, and I do mean MANY, modern day crosses their earliest building blocks very often contained a Mexican strain, and they were not used because the other strains in the combination of strains were too potent and something was needed to water them down. They were used because they were darn good at the time. Acapulco is in Mexico and no one that ever smoked true Acapulco Gold called it dirt. Highland Oaxacan Gold is Mexican and it was used in many early crosses and no one who every smoked the Real McCoy called it dirt.

And as for a; "lid," it was not a weighed ounce. Some people sold three finger lids, some sold four finger lids, they were measured by putting pot in a baggie and then holding up your fingers to see how many fingers high it was. I used to have a dealer that filled his bags so full that you could hardly fold the flap over to close it and if weighed they always weighed well over an ounce.
 
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What I consider too be; "the good old fashioned strains" have pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur and full service gas station long ago. As for what; "grandpa" said, maybe there were only three types of strains in his area when he was toking but there were many in mine, many, and they were not modern day crosses, it was previous to the beginning of that era. Typical strains were Colombian Gold, Acapulco Gold, Malawi Gold, Panama Red, Durban Poison, Highland Oaxacan Gold, several unspecified Jamaican sativas, Thai stick and Thai strains and others. This was in the late 60's and 70's in my area. I never saw an Afghani strain or any type of indica or cross with indica in it until a good number of years later. (That was in pot form. We did see hash that was made from indicas from time to time.)

Also back then Mexican strains were not; "dirt." There were many Mexican strains that were anywhere from good to very good to excellent. If you look at the strain lineage of many, and I do mean MANY, modern day crosses their earliest building blocks very often contained a Mexican strain, and they were not used because the other strains in the combination of strains were too potent and something was needed to water them down. They were used because they were darn good at the time. Acapulco is in Mexico and no one that ever smoked true Acapulco Gold called it dirt. Highland Oaxacan Gold is Mexican and it was used in many early crosses and no one who every smoked the Real McCoy called it dirt.

And as for a; "lid," it was not a weighed ounce. Some people sold three finger lids, some sold four finger lids, they were measured by putting pot in a baggie and then holding up your fingers to see how many fingers high it was. I used to have a dealer that filled his bags so full that you could hardly fold the flap over to close it and if weighed they always weighed well over an ounce.
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awesome, u just made my day :-)

i may not have said it exactly as he told me, but sounds little more in depth like he said.

i should have said about an oz depending on the person

also mexican as slang for bad weed, not local dank my friend

but plus rep for being schooled
 
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Your plants look great this thread got way off topic but i like your pics ive heard that Greenhouse Seed company has the original white widow strain and they have a great white rhino if you wanna try and compare the ones you have with those from them as for the WW being the most potent its very debatable and many strains have come out with higher levels of THC
Love the thread though and your plants look awesome good job dude
 
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RyAnRioT said:
also mexican as slang for bad weed, not local dank my friend
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That is always a poor choice of phraseology when talking about the past, like in the 60's and 70's, and before that,, because back then many Mexican strains were very good. Many were better than lots of the 'flavor of the month strains' that are out now that people go all Lady Gaga over. It would fit for a later time when the era of Mexican brickweed came about, after Mexican farmers learned about faster flowering heavier yielding indica strains and attempted to make crosses that were miserable failures in hopes of increasing their revenue and what was once very good was ruined, polluted, destroyed.

Check out the list of HTCC Cup winning strains and you will find that they all have at least one thing in common .... Mexican genetics somewhere in them. Since Mexican strains were to very important in the creation of so many Cup winning strains, some of them multiple Cup winners and some are very famous strains, do you really think that Mexican strains actually deserved to become slang; "for bad weed, not local dank;" "my friend?" Much of that; "local dank" you refer to contains at least some amount of Mexican in it.

If not for Mexican strains having been used MANY of today's beloved strains would not be all they are.









































































































 
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Smokinsunrise said:
ive heard that Greenhouse Seed company has the original white widow strain and they have a great white rhino if you wanna try and compare the ones you have with those from them
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The original White Widow was created by Shantibaba when he was part owner in Green House Seeds and Arjan handled the marketing. When he sold out and opened up Mr. Nice Seeds he took his genetics with him. Green House Seeds still tries to use the Cup Wins to advertise their knockoff and they claim it to be the original. In a video Arjan went so far as to claim that he personally created the original White Widow, that he was the breeder, when he was only handling the business marketing. He claims Green House Seeds has the one and only original White Widow, but that is a flat out lie, as was his claim to have bred the original White Widow.

The original is found at Mr. Nice Seeds under the name of Black Widow.


as for the WW being the most potent its very debatable and many strains have come out with higher levels of THC
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The original was tested at 21%. A few strains are higher, up to about 25%, but that is not a major increase so it still means the original White Widow, Black Widow, is still among the most potent.

Where there is so much confusion about the strain is there are 30 or more knockoff White Widow strains, different versions made by different breeders who all gave their version the same name. Some are predominantly indica and some are predominantly sativa and flowering periods vary by as much as 20 days or more.

With such genetic diversity under the same name, and some people not realizing that there are true genetic differences between the original and the knockoffs, some people will try one breeder's White Widow and be very disappointed by it's lack of potency and because of that some say it can't run with the big dogs any longer. But they might as well have grown virtually any strain and claimed the same thing because they did not grow the original genetics. If someone wants a good knockoff White Widow De Sjamaan's White Widow is the closest to the original I have found so far.

The same goes for the original White Rhino. It was also a Shantibaba creation and the original is found in Mr. Nice Seeds line under the name Shantibaba changed it to, Medicine Man. Others are knockoffs, different breeder's versions, and they will vary in quality from not all that good to being pretty good, but none are like the original.

So many people today only want feminized seeds, that are unstable, rather than regular seeds and most are not willing to or able to pay the price for the originals so when combined a far smaller number of people here have ever grown and smoked the originals but yet they base their opinion of them on genetically different knockoffs or parrot what they read or heard from others who only grew genetically different versions than the originals.
 
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