Blue Dream 800W Induction Lights SOG

[solcielo]

first plant harvested and trimmed weighs right about 100g wet so maybe that should dry to 15-30g x 22 hoping for somewhere around 400-500g. Top buds are super heavy and dense, really glad I put those supports in them. If I pick it up by the bottom it just bends all the way over to the ground for the weight on the end. Looking awesome too.

 

[solcielo]

trimming sucks

 

[xyzxyz]

Any final pre harvest pics?

Sounds like you did well. Now to introduce Co2 for your next run cause you have no heat issues lol!!!

 

[solcielo]

Any final pre harvest pics?

Sounds like you did well. Now to introduce Co2 for your next run cause you have no heat issues lol!!!

Really didn't get many pictures of the harvest for super sticky fingers and have been largely ignoring it the past week. Bud density was actually better than my last one because I gave it so much time to veg I got some gnarly tops that are super heavy, can only imagine what they'd look like with CO2. Depending how things go financially I might implement a CO2 system to keep the room around 1500ppm as I don't think I could just enrich the tent alone I vent it so much. Plan on carbon filtering air in and air out (4" in, 6" out) and sealing the whole thing up for the next grow should start up mid-April after a month break or so.

I'll put together some final numbers and macro shots when I jar them in a few days.

 

[canada]

Nice grow my friend!!! I would be very interested in how much it costs for the month to run this thing Iam thinking about getting 2ft 8 bulb new wave t5 with both spectrum. As cost and high heat are an issue! Give me some more info on this beast. Iam stuck on what route to go now lol

 

[solcielo]

Normally my energy bill runs $50-$80 a month just depending on activity when not growing and with these lights and my setup going in veg (18hr photoperiod) it went up to about $160 and in bloom down to $125. MH/HPS was running about $240/veg $200/bloom when I was using 1-1000W + portable AC (9k BTU). If you can't afford ANY heat from the light source in your setup know that temps in my 4x4 all open and vented were 80-83 under the lights on top of the canopy when ambient temps in the room were about 70 usually. I also have no firsthand experience whatsoever with T5's, their capabilities, limitations, heat generation, or costs; just heard they are great for seedlings/clones and not that great for flowering.

 

[canada]

WOW your running two of the 400's. It is a good turn out!!! So you are saving half you bills with decent results. Plus lights last longer to my knowledge. You going to stick with them?

 

[Danielsgb]

Great read. Best journal for Induction I've seen yet. Happy Harvest.
Daniels

 

[collective gardener]

Great documentation. I just wish it were 3 months ago! LOL. I just finished a 20,000 watt med op construction. I would have seriously considered these bad boys. A salesman saw my thread and sent me a little 50 watt induction to try out. I may just buy a 400 for a real test. I don't knoe if you can answer this. We grow very large plants to keep our numbers down...like 1/2 lb/plant. The plants are around 3.5 feet tall. Do you think these lights have enough penetration to produce density deep down into the plant? Our 1000 watt HPS's give us about 3 feet of solid buds. Thank you again for a great show.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow-21.html#post5484866

 

[dunit]

Great documentation. I just wish it were 3 months ago! LOL. I just finished a 20,000 watt med op construction. I would have seriously considered these bad boys. A salesman saw my thread and sent me a little 50 watt induction to try out. I may just buy a 400 for a real test. I don't knoe if you can answer this. We grow very large plants to keep our numbers down...like 1/2 lb/plant. The plants are around 3.5 feet tall. Do you think these lights have enough penetration to produce density deep down into the plant? Our 1000 watt HPS's give us about 3 feet of solid buds. Thank you again for a great show.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow-21.html#post5484866

Not trying to hijack but how many plants do you get under each light?

 

[meharmon]

@collective Induction lights are also used for outdoor lighting such as roadways to replace MH, and are seen to produce more light at distance. Since the light spectrum is better suited for plants, the light that does reach lower should be of better quality than a similar HPS, even if the HPS is somehow distributing 4 times the light. Testing just now, the 400W Indagro puts out about 6k lux at 4' directly under the bulb. After purchasing my Indagro, I found some induction bulbs available for about $1/watt whereas the IG was $1.75/watt. They come with a half the warranty(5 year). I will likely purchase somewhere between 200-300W circular bulb w/ reflectors to finish the garden.
Consider, even if you had 2 x 400W indagros to replace your 1000W HPS you would still save a ton on lighting electricity, let alone bulb replacement, cooling, etc., and have waaay more light, but supposedly one 400 is enough to compete with 1000W HPS. I hope to get good results with my trees, but I am topping like crazy to get colas like "oregonkush" on youtube. (who uses 1000W HPS, lol)
If you have the chance to change lights out you should give it a shot as the elec savings pay for themselves handily, especially if you're in California.

 

[chazbolin]

From what I've seen any of the standard triphoshor blends will not be emit broad PAR UV-RED spectrum's but instead will concentrate energy to a greater degree on providing light within human vision ranges. When I bought my Inda-Gro 400 watt lights I was influenced by the lowered 500 nm ranges and wider PAR ranges of those lamps spectrums.

As far as intensity the lower wattages, 300 and less, do not IMO deliver enough intensity for a grow area beyond 36" sq so for me it was really no choice. The 400 will average 600 umoles sq/m. However to compare the 400 to a 1000 watt HPS as an exact equal is inaccurate and should not be your comparison.

Take a look at a an HPS SDG to see just how much energy an HPS produces above PAR which of course is wasted energy to provide saturation but you'll see that the HPS wavelengths fall off rapidly @ 630 nm and do not generate any far red energy.

Per one of the engineers I spoke with at inda-gro if you were to take 3 of your 1000 watt HPS out you'd replace them with 4 of their 400 watt lights the yields would be on par with the HID grow lights at 50% less power and no need for supplemental AC.

While that's obviously a savings in electric the added advantage of not having to change a UV lamp out from VEG to an HPS for flower has meant less stress on the plant and the quality of the product I've found has improved over my previous MH-HPS grows.

Cheers

 

[solcielo]

WOW your running two of the 400's. It is a good turn out!!! So you are saving half you bills with decent results. Plus lights last longer to my knowledge. You going to stick with them?

definitely

 

[solcielo]

Great documentation. I just wish it were 3 months ago! LOL. I just finished a 20,000 watt med op construction. I would have seriously considered these bad boys. A salesman saw my thread and sent me a little 50 watt induction to try out. I may just buy a 400 for a real test. I don't knoe if you can answer this. We grow very large plants to keep our numbers down...like 1/2 lb/plant. The plants are around 3.5 feet tall. Do you think these lights have enough penetration to produce density deep down into the plant? Our 1000 watt HPS's give us about 3 feet of solid buds. Thank you again for a great show.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow-21.html#post5484866

If they weren't too crowded I think you could get comparable results but with a SOG the canopy really diminishes what gets through to the lower growth. I'm going to try 16 plants next time with a shorter veg to reduce crowding and see how it goes. If nothing else these would be wonderful lights to veg the plants with if you're going for huge yields per plant.

 

[solcielo]

When i was trimming or anytime I hold them out in the light they just sparkle. Haven't seen bud that scintillates like this in a long time. One thing though I think I kept the light a little too close and toasted the tops of some of the buds because they have a much darker hue but still smoke great. Finally got everything in jars, just burping them now will give final weights in a day or two. Looks to be 250g +/-50g thereabouts. Really curious how CO2 enrichment would change my yields and bud formation.

 

[Bonzi Lighthouse]

For Best use of new technology I award this Orson

 

[chazbolin]

Let the curing begin. Are we about a month out for our first taste and when is our next grow? It seems like the lessons learned will pay dividends on the next grow.

Orson would approve!

 

[collective gardener]

Not trying to hijack but how many plants do you get under each light?

Right now we have around 3, but we are aiming for 4. The additional 10 plants will be small "filler" plants placed in the 4 way intercection between 4 large plants. We have been noticing a large "light hole" located there. It's either that, or try harder to train the plants to be square. LOL

 

[collective gardener]

@collective Induction lights are also used for outdoor lighting such as roadways to replace MH, and are seen to produce more light at distance. Since the light spectrum is better suited for plants, the light that does reach lower should be of better quality than a similar HPS, even if the HPS is somehow distributing 4 times the light. Testing just now, the 400W Indagro puts out about 6k lux at 4' directly under the bulb. After purchasing my Indagro, I found some induction bulbs available for about $1/watt whereas the IG was $1.75/watt. They come with a half the warranty(5 year). I will likely purchase somewhere between 200-300W circular bulb w/ reflectors to finish the garden.
Consider, even if you had 2 x 400W indagros to replace your 1000W HPS you would still save a ton on lighting electricity, let alone bulb replacement, cooling, etc., and have waaay more light, but supposedly one 400 is enough to compete with 1000W HPS. I hope to get good results with my trees, but I am topping like crazy to get colas like "oregonkush" on youtube. (who uses 1000W HPS, lol)
If you have the chance to change lights out you should give it a shot as the elec savings pay for themselves handily, especially if you're in California.

We're very exited about these lights. I think I would use 2 x 400 watt inductions for every 1000 HPS I have now. The bulb savings alone is over $3,000/year. My cooling costs are another $3,000. In just 3 years they're paid for. But the real potential payback would be a yield increase.

I promised the gentleman who sent me the lights to do a test with a 50 watt induction vs. a 90 watt LED vs. a 250 watt HPS. I have a feeling before the test is complete I'll be buying a 400 watt induction light to see what it can do. Based on this thread, I have hight hopes. The thought of actually having to use a heater in the winter is blowing my mind.

 

[dunit]

The thought of actually having to use a heater in the winter is blowing my mind.

I switched from HPS to LED and not only did I toss my A/C but I had to put down an insulated sub-floor to cover the concrete to keep the temp up and I still have a small heater....lol

I think LED and induction have a lot in common in terms of efficiency and thermal savings. LED is certainly the big push but I only think it's because induction isn't as marketable. I don't mean from a consumer benefit standpoint, I mean from a big business fleecing the consumer standpoint. With LED you can talk about lens angle, multi-spectrum, thermal management, by-pass resistors, delay circuitry, individual LED wattage, total wattage and a host of other stuff to claim a marketing advantage. Where's the ad speak for induction? Apply power, get light. Tough for the marketing team. Awesome potential though.