The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering

Wow , great job UB , thank you! I traslade my quest to this thread :


Hi people , im interesting in peters products. I live in Argentina and recently i bought one with composition 4-25-35 , for plants in flower period outdoor.

For next time , which products of peters do you recommend ? For veg. period i want to try jacks classic crystal green ( 9-13-22 ) but here in Argentina i don´t know if some local import it.

And for flower period this i bought recently i don´t know if is exactly the best.

I really appreciated your comments!

Bye
 
PiniPon said:
Wow , great job UB , thank you! I traslade my quest to this thread :


Hi people , im interesting in peters products. I live in Argentina and recently i bought one with composition 4-25-35 , for plants in flower period outdoor.

For next time , which products of peters do you recommend ? For veg. period i want to try jacks classic crystal green ( 9-13-22 ) but here in Argentina i don´t know if some local import it.

And for flower period this i bought recently i don´t know if is exactly the best.

I really appreciated your comments!

Bye
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To be on the safe side, I'd buy a 20-20-20.

Bueno bye,
Tio Bendejo
 
Uncle Ben said:
To be on the safe side, I'd buy a 20-20-20.

Bueno bye,
Tio Bendejo
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I tested by 5 days ( then plant sex male ) with a peters 20-20-20 for veg. period and i saw nice colour and aspect.

For veg. you recommend 20-20-20 ? And for flower is right what i choose ? 4-25-35.


Thanks for reply!
 
PiniPon said:
I tested by 5 days ( then plant sex male ) with a peters 20-20-20 for veg. period and i saw nice colour and aspect.

For veg. you recommend 20-20-20 ? And for flower is right what i choose ? 4-25-35.
Thanks for reply!
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You choose what will maintain health leaf color and health. A 20-20-20 will do that. A 4-25-35 is likely to induce leaf yellowing and necrosis.

Good luck,
UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
You choose what will maintain health leaf color and health. A 20-20-20 will do that. A 4-25-35 is likely to induce leaf yellowing and necrosis.

Good luck,
UB
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I choose that cause i didn´t want too much N. Can i post pics to see what comes next ?

Thank you again!
 
Uncle Ben said:
Sure you can post pix. Why do you believe the application of N is a bad thing during flowering?


UB
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Cause retards flowering period i supposed , but i was a little confused still now.. Is a good idea to add a little N now before application of peters ?
 
Uncle Ben said:
The 20-20-20 will work. I recommend you get a book on indoor growing.

UB
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I read a few , but with peters NPK i don´t have so much parameters and here in argentina these product is new and the locals get it from a place i don´t know exactly. Extra the plants i put the 4-25-35 were in a poor state i didn´t get other solution.

Thanks altought!
 
PiniPon said:
I read a few , but with peters NPK i don´t have so much parameters and here in argentina these product is new and the locals get it from a place i don´t know exactly. Extra the plants i put the 4-25-35 were in a poor state i didn´t get other solution.

Thanks altought!
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Ive run the 20-20-20 all through Veg and flower...it works great. I also have the 30-10-10 and the 10-30-20 (i think thats it) for when they look like they need something more specific then the general purpose.

And the best part is you dont have to spend an arm and a leg for it.

Thanks UB!
 
Dr Gruber said:
Ive run the 20-20-20 all through Veg and flower...it works great. I also have the 30-10-10 and the 10-30-20 (i think thats it) for when they look like they need something more specific then the general purpose.

And the best part is you dont have to spend an arm and a leg for it.

Thanks UB!
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Thanks! I will try in next plants 20-20-20 for both stages. But i supposed is better use a combination of two differentes composition of nutes.

You use both products and also only 20-20-20. When did you see best results ? Now what are you using ?
 
+rep Uncle Ben

Hi gang!

A quick thank you to Uncle Ben for this absolutely amazing thread. Plus rep bro
Its taken me a few days to get to the end of this thread but I'm glad I did. I'm a believer now in keeping it green.
Unfortunately I've been feeding my plants way too much crap, all my flowering plants are yellowing from the bottom up and the oldest are the worst with the most leaves dropped.

A quick trip to Walmart has only these 2 products on the shelf

1. Schultz All Purpose 20-30-20
water soluble with micro nutes.
http://www.schultz.com/NR/exeres/D4A3AEC1-AC17-416F-996F-DA333F074C54.htm

2. Plant Prod Ultimate 15-30-15 Flowering plant fertilizer
with micro nutes
http://msds.plantprod.com/document/805

I know I have to get off the grow shop crap I'm using but I dont know which of the above would be the better choice to green up and stop the pattern. :wall:

I'm currently 2-3 weeks away from harvesting a few plants, and about 4-5 weeks away from the rest. Soilless mix in 5gal containers. Currently use generic 2 part and a couple additives, sealed room with controlled environment.

Two questions please if I may;

1. Which of the above products would be a better fit? or would have a more readily available form of N? The Schultz says to use every watering and the other says to use only every 2 weeks. I find that confusing still.

2. What is the best way to transition from my expensive crap to a proper diet for my babies? Or can I just pass a few liters of water through the 5gal pots and switch.

Awesome thread :clap:
 
You're welcome!

Dr Gruber said:
Ive run the 20-20-20 all through Veg and flower...it works great. I also have the 30-10-10 and the 10-30-20 (i think thats it) for when they look like they need something more specific then the general purpose.
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Way to go....what I've been preaching for years! Those 2 NPK values is all you need, mix and match or use alone to suit the current growth of your plants.

UB
 
Happy you made it through and are learning something.

medimaker said:
A quick trip to Walmart has only these 2 products on the shelf

1. Schultz All Purpose 20-30-20
water soluble with micro nutes.
http://www.schultz.com/NR/exeres/D4A3AEC1-AC17-416F-996F-DA333F074C54.htm

2. Plant Prod Ultimate 15-30-15 Flowering plant fertilizer
with micro nutes
http://msds.plantprod.com/document/805

I know I have to get off the grow shop crap I'm using but I dont know which of the above would be the better choice to green up and stop the pattern. :wall:

I'm currently 2-3 weeks away from harvesting a few plants, and about 4-5 weeks away from the rest. Soilless mix in 5gal containers. Currently use generic 2 part and a couple additives, sealed room with controlled environment.

Two questions please if I may;

1. Which of the above products would be a better fit? or would have a more readily available form of N? The Schultz says to use every watering and the other says to use only every 2 weeks. I find that confusing still.

2. What is the best way to transition from my expensive crap to a proper diet for my babies? Or can I just pass a few liters of water through the 5gal pots and switch.

Awesome thread :clap:
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Thanks!

N promotes the production AND maintenance of healthy green foliage. That last emphasis is very important. N supports foliage during flowering and not at the expense of flowering, quite the contrary. It's foliage that produces bud. Ya'll hearing me? ;)

Soooooo don't eliminate this macro. Most of the oil companies eliminate N or downplay it in their flowering foods. Why? "Because that's what people expect". No shit, it's true and a pretty lame excuse for good plant care.

Another good food which I used today as a transplant solution is Miracle Grow's Tomato food available at Wallymart. A 18-18-21. It's high in urea, a slow release and non burning ammonical form of N and complete regarding chelated micros, plus it contains a soil surfactant.

Good luck,
UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
You're welcome!



Way to go....what I've been preaching for years! Those 2 NPK values is all you need, mix and match or use alone to suit the current growth of your plants.

UB
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Yes and its only because youve been preaching it that i finally caught on to it. Funny thing is I had such a hard time believing it even while I watched my leaves yellow and fall. Somtimes you just have to hit the donkey on the head with a 2x4 and then he will get it.

Thanks UB for all the helpful info...if you really do get banned from here it will be a loss to all at RIU.
 
Thank UB , now i can see more clearly the info. I made a mistake choosing a npk low in N for flowering stage. Now i will go to get the three compositions and try to act like Dr gruber said.

Thanks to all!
 
Thanks UB,

I'm going to go with the 20-30-20.
It has more N for the same amount of P than the other brand. Plus it says to use every time I water so that will give me the ability to adjust as the plants respond, instead of few and far between style feedings.
It does say micro is included but doesn't list the secondary nutes.

Its time to feed them so I'll start with 3/4 serving
 
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