ya know whut u mean a guy here push all the right info into my head before I went out around the site and met others...now IHave a ton of support here and all the bud porn I can look at....as for my friend, he is the only one I know who is into horticulture itself he wasnt even interested in growin canni, but now that he has coem over and visited with my lil girl, he went to get Fox Farm ocean forest as well as myself (for the outdoor grow) and he asked me if it would be cheaper to build then buy it (waterfarm) already made and it all cost below 40, execpt the air pump for the water farm and nutes..ppm and ph tester (it will be soon)...but just the farm w hydroton and net pot that sit on top of the bucket and the waterfarm kit......and I built it for him last night here at my home... now he is callin for all sorts of info and i dont mind, I have all this info in my head bouncing around and I have to be-stow it upon some one. now he wants the whole kit and kaboodle, so he has another month before he'll be starting but i urge him to start an RIU account...idk if he will but we'll see......thanx for stopping by.......