dunit
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I think it's because you started a journal as opposed to a Grow Journal in the Forums category. Click on forums. Grow Journals. Start new thread. Different rules for each
9 Purple Kush under 360 watts of LED. Dunit 2nd LED Grow
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dunit
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Thanks amigo. Really going to make an effort to properly document everything and answer everyones questions and also help direct people on where to find information on all manufacturers. I think it's the only way we can help each other make the best decision on where to spend our money.
I'm currently in shock after getting banned from the 420 forum. I posted results on my last journal and a paid sponsor came on my thread and slammed me and the lights I'm running and offered a discount on his own products. I didn't even really counter-attack and just said it was unprofessional. A whole bunch of people jumped in and slammed the paid sponsor and yesterday was an interesting day watching the support pour in and the mods on 420 deleting posts. I guess the damage control just got too much and late last night they deleted my account and have removed my journals.
dunit
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Yup that was how it started. He went on to say that his lights were the only proven lights out there and that my results were garbage. I told him his marketing strategy was unprofessional. They someone else pointed out that I actually got the same yield as his last sponsored grow running HALF the wattage of LED's, that post got deleted pretty quick. Then a bunch of people started calling him out on his attitude. I pointed out that I had recommended his products in some of my posts and maybe he should stick to recommending his products instead of slamming mine. More people jumped in and said they would never buy GLH because of his tirade. Posts were getting edited and deleted, I pretty much stayed out of it and just tried to calm things down. So much for my efforts cause in the end I got deleted. If you google my name and 420 mag you can see all the links to my journals but they are all dead now.....
Rollitup is a way bigger site with way more traffic and now I know why. I had quite a few people following my on 420 and I bet most of them used good ol google and find me on here and 420 loses because of it.
Works for me
ColoradoLove
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GLH is Spectra right? The guy was the Mike dude everyone seems to talk so fondly of? That's crazy!
On a different note, I called ISIS yesterday to inquire about the actual draw of their panels and they ditched pretty much their entire line. They now offer only the 170w FX1 which actual draw is around 120 the dude said, and your beloved 357 Magnums. He's like those are the only 2 panels you could ever need. So they have basically a 120w and a 180w (actual draw)? Not a very wide range of lights to choose from I guess.
On a different note, I called ISIS yesterday to inquire about the actual draw of their panels and they ditched pretty much their entire line. They now offer only the 170w FX1 which actual draw is around 120 the dude said, and your beloved 357 Magnums. He's like those are the only 2 panels you could ever need. So they have basically a 120w and a 180w (actual draw)? Not a very wide range of lights to choose from I guess.
mr.smileyface
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I pay 100$ per full 1000 hps setup
So thats about 10 cents per watt? lol
Im wondering if a 1000 watts in led could beat it?
So thats about 10 cents per watt? lol
Im wondering if a 1000 watts in led could beat it?
ColoradoLove
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That's bulb, reflector, ballast, and fan for $100? Bullshit
dunit
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Yeah I'm gonna stop commenting on Mike. He was always a stand-up guy and I really don't want to hurt his business as Spectra certainly isn't one of the shit LED companies I'd like to see get put out of business. Maybe he had a bad day but sure sucked for me cause somehow in the mix I got banned.
I think Spectra and ISIS are the best panels out there. ISIS has put up better yields and Spectra is cheaper (but not cheaply made) so they both have merit. Now that I've actually grown with Magnums I think they are competitive but I'd like to get my second one done and really have a supported opinion but then I'm never happy.....lol
As for the ISIS/Magnum product lines. I remember when IrishBoy ran his 600W grow he said he'd rather have more panels of lower wattage and increase the points of light. The guy who's name we can't post on RIU who ran the confined space ISIS grow said that he really thought the interlacing from multiple lower wattage panels was the key to his success so that's two votes for that idea.
Now that I've grown with LED's if I was trying to cover a larger area I'd go with more panels instead of a larger panels. The penetration of the panels is limited to the individual wattage of the LED's so it makes sense. Doesn't really matter how many 3W LED's you stuff in one panel, at some point you reach light saturation for the coverage area of one panel and after that it's just a waste. It's not like HID where the more wattage the farther the coverage reaches.
I really think that the sweet spot for max power on an individual panel is around 200 watts for panels with 60 degree lenses and about 280 watts for 90 degree lenses. The 90 degree lenses would have larger coverage area and the 60 degree lenses would penetrate the canopy better so they both have strengths depending on your application (plant height)
dunit
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In my last journal I pulled .9 grams per watt. Seeing as how a 1000hps actually draws almost 1100 watts you'd have to pull 35 1/3 oz to beat me. 2 pounds 3 ounces. How's that going for you?
mr.smileyface
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Its do-able. Some people get three pounds a light with 1000w. I grow pk so 2 lbs is what im aiming for. Most likely get 1.5 per light. Like i said i paid 100$ per 1000w with ballast/shade and bulb, moguls are extra
So for the 600 dollars per light you pay i could get 6 1000 watters. Its all how much you can get for how little time and money. So your 300-600 dollar investment made you 530 grams?
thats horrible. consterding how much 600 dollars can really make you i would say your investment is poor.
So pretty much for what u paid i could do 4 lights on a flip.
dunit
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Well I used to run two HPS lights and had to buy a portable A/C to cool my room. I sold the A/C and that was a substantial input into the cost of my lights. Add in that my power bill has dropped about $70 a month (remember the A/C) and I should pocket about $800 a month in the next year.....voila.....my lights are now free.
It's all it what your purpose is. I'm in this for long term personal so it's all about long term cost and security.
If I was in for a quick buck I'd go buy 8 HPS and run a free air 4/4 flip flop and probably do three runs before the bulbs were done and my power bill was flagged and the PoPo were on the verge of coming for a visit
I'm not in it for the short term and I can't legally support the plant numbers to do a big show.
HPS doesn't make any sense for me financially or otherwise.
ColoradoLove
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Not gonna turn this into a LEd vs discussion Smiley but you're full of shit. I bet you arent getting those air cooled hoods in your avatar for $100 with a bulb and a ballast. Magnetic ballast too I'd assume so factor in replacing that
Pics look fly dunit. Promise thats the last i'll say to Smiley. No need to turn your journal into a battle ground
Pics look fly dunit. Promise thats the last i'll say to Smiley. No need to turn your journal into a battle ground
dunit
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Appreciated. Some of us are trying to grow no-drama weed....lol
dunit
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I'm gonna guess that the ratio of people who get a pound a light vs people who get 3 pounds a light is about 1000 to 1
Been at this for 12 years and 1.5 a light was always a solid result with HPS which is somewhere around .65 grams per watt.
I hit .9 grams per watt on my last one and that was not a great crop so 1.2-1.3 really isn't a stretch for these lights.
Yes the initial cost is high but at double the efficiency and minimal cooling costs it takes a very short time to recover the startup costs.
For anyone actually concerned with heat generation or power consumption they are a clear choice.
I think the biggest issue right now with LED is that every man and his dog is jumping on the bandwagon of re-selling cheap junk so there's lots of horror stories.
The other issue is understanding LED's limitations.
LED's are very sensitive to heat and their life expectancy, which is normally 3-5 years drops to 3-5 months without proper thermal management.
LED's also have quite a limited range so to covering larger areas is best addressed by using several smaller panels as opposed to one larger panel. Best results I have seen to date were from a guy running 5 120watt (actual draw) panels. Seen decent results from growers running up to 300 watt panels but even at that size the efficiency seems to drop off a bit.
My personal opinon is that the max usable wattage for a panel is 200 watts for panels using 60 degree lens angles and 280 watts for panels running 90 degree lens angles.
ColoradoLove
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But does drama free weed smoke as well? Hhahaha
mr.smileyface
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I sold those shades because i run a sealed room with more Cooling.
But im not lieing about gettting the cheap ballast and shades. and cost of the new bulb 35$
I pay 50 for the ballast and 20 for the shade. I guess the cord and fixture is another 10?
The air cooled shades cost more than all that and that is why i dont use them. I also have no where to vent and fans are loud.
Dont get me wrong those lights are cool. But just out of my price range. I just like the amount of light each 1000w ballast produces. Cuts the number of hanging stuff in my room. The hps havent failed me yet. I live in a colder place so i need the heat of my lights.
Oh yea i weigh my weed bone dry lol
mr.smileyface
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Good facts on the LED.
Most growers i know havent heard of LED and dont want to bother with small time shows. If your gonna grow i wouldnt do less than three hps lights. Like come on your damaging your house already.
If your just doing a personal grow for smoke then i guess LED is the way to go. But if your running a house then HPS is better.
Im from BC and growing is a big thing out here. and with big things comes big lights.
Nice for 14 days tho. Keep it green
