Wisconsin Revolt

Who do you support in the Wisconsin Revolt?

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Carthoris

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medicineman said:
This Johnny Organic guy, what a fucking joke. I'd bet a nickle to a hundred dollars he'd approve of killing anyone that doesnt agree with him. It's his way or the highway, no compromise allowed. Somehow he doesn't get that government is a bundle of compromises, well maybe he does get it and wants it to dissapear, so he can live on Johnny O. planet, with everything going his way and him keeping all his money, a dreamer for sure. His dreams are a workers nightmare, and his kind are winning, stamping out workers gains made over 100 years of strife and compromise. As a worker, Sure, I'd like to be paid 100-1000 bucks an hour, maybe more, but through union compromises and agreements with the companies, us workers get a fair liveable wage, and the company makes a very nice profit. Both of us, workers and the companies would like to make more, but we compromise to the benefit of both, a concept not recognizeable by the Johnny O's of this world. I say fuck them and their stupid selfish Ideas, let's ban them, not unions.
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If it weren't for the "Johnny O's" of the world, the "medicinemen" of the world would take over and vice versa. Ying and yang. You need both to offset each other.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Carthoris said:
If it weren't for the "Johnny O's" of the world, the "medicinemen" of the world would take over and vice versa. Ying and yang. You need both to offset each other.
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If my kind ran the show, I admit it would be pretty boring.

What with everybody willing to make sound decisions and work hard all being prosperous and successful.

And those who make shitty choices, those who do not work hard; are left to the consequences of their own actions.

A world where the free market chooses the winners and losers, not the government.

Sigh....
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Carthoris said:
The issue being?
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The issue being that when you cut spending you're generally cutting services to the middle class and poor people and giving that money to the rich. That's redistribution of wealth to the people who will stimulate the economy the least.

Example - If you cut funding to public transportation to give to Bill Gates then that raises bus fairs. That has the exact same effect as same effect as raising taxes on people who ride the bus. It's basically regressive taxation. Who rides the bus? Generally it's poor and working class people. So when you cut transportation spending, what you're really doing is taxing poor/working class people and giving that money to the rich.

The problem with that is the effect of putting money in the hands of poor/working class people creates much more economic growth than putting money in the hands of wealthy people.

Wealthy people don't create jobs based on how much money they have. They create jobs based on increases in demand for their goods and services. Who buys their goods and services? For the most part, working class people.

To sum that up, when you "cut spending" it generally has the same effect as increasing taxes on poor/working class people which takes money away from them that they would normally spend in the economy and giving that money to rich people who are less likely to spend that money in the economy. It stunts economic growth.

You cannot compare those two items.
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I'm pretty sure I just did. Quite successfully I might add. That chart shows several cuts to health care spending for middle class/poor people. That is taking money out of their hands that they would normally spend in the economy and giving it to the ultrawealthy so they have more money to do things like speculate on energy, increasing our gas prices. Oh look! I compared them again!
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Carthoris said:
If it weren't for the "Johnny O's" of the world, the "medicinemen" of the world would take over and vice versa. Ying and yang. You need both to offset each other.
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We don't need ultra-conservatives, ultra-liberals, or die hard centrists. What we need are ultra-intelligent people with integrity running the show, moving us forward. If we had that, we would be fine. Unfortunately in a democracy you get the representation you deserve and collectively we aren't too bright. We are too easily fooled by fortune cookie wisdom.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Dan Kone said:
We don't need ultra-conservatives, ultra-liberals, or die hard centrists. What we need are ultra-intelligent people with integrity running the show, moving us forward. If we had that, we would be fine. Unfortunately in a democracy you get the representation you deserve and collectively we aren't too bright. We are too easily fooled by fortune cookie wisdom.
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You know, Dan. That's probably the most intelligent post you have ever submitted here. Although I should qualify that by stating I do not claim to have read them all - your posts that is.

Democracy is mob rule. And it always leads to destruction. Because eventually the voters realize they can vote themselves goodies from the public treasury. The only problem is this is unsustainable. Eventually the money runs out. Then eventually the creditors refuse to lend money to sustain the unsustainable system. We are almost there now.

This is why our country was established as a REPUBLIC. But alas, Republics never last long because they eventually become Democracies or Empires. The people forget.

I'm afraid we can look forward to a dictatorship in our future. If I am wrong on that point, it definitely will be some other totalitarian form of government.
 
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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Johnnyorganic said:
You know, Dan. That's probably the most intelligent post you have ever submitted here. Although I should qualify that by stating I do not claim to have read them all - your posts that is.

Democracy is mob rule. And it always leads to destruction. Because eventually the voters realize they can vote themselves goodies from the public treasury. The only problem is this is unsustainable. Eventually the money runs out. Then eventually the creditors refuse to lend money to sustain the unsustainable system. We are almost there now.

This is why our country was established as a REPUBLIC. But alas, Republics never last long because they eventually become Democracies or Empires. The people forget.

I'm afraid we can look forward to a dictatorship in our future. If I am wrong on that point, it definitely will be some other totalitarian form of government.
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It's Not 'Amost" There it Hit Home.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Johnnyorganic said:
The only problem is this is unsustainable. Eventually the money runs out. Then eventually the creditors refuse to lend money to sustain the unsustainable system. We are almost there now.
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The ironic thing about are debt is that China is so invested in us at this point that they would be almost as fucked as us if they called in our debt. They have to keep loaning us money because their economy is now tied to ours so deeply. They won't ever stop loaning us money, they'll just eventually own us.

This is why our country was established as a REPUBLIC. But alas, Republics never last long because they eventually become Democracies or Empires. The people forget.
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Also Republics over time fail to represent anything but the needs of the senatorial class they create which makes them irrelevant. That's why they turn into democracies or autocracies. Think Kato ever supported anything outside his own interests? That's why republics fail.

Modern democracies are just as flawed in terms of representation because the general public is too easily swayed by deceptive propaganda created by groups looking out for their own interests. But they are more sustainable because of the illusion of real representation.

I'm afraid we can look forward to a dictatorship in our near future. If I am wrong on that point, it definitely will be some other totalitarian form of government.
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Well if that happens hopefully we get an Augusta and not a Commodus.
 
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