So Stoned...Theory of Life...

Skroatz

Skroatz

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So I was/am pretty cut, chilling back on the sofa spaced out after work... I somehow get thinking (lol stay with me here) that 'possibly' we humans are just a thought of a 'computer' like intelligent conciousness that is learning, expanding, teaching itself, as if anything is possible, any path, any design. So for example, people say the singularity or whatever is going to happen with humans/computers and that a computer might have a human consciousness with a unlimited memory capacity/speed/information some day soon. What if it's already happened. I think 'possibly' that big bang was the birth of this AI computers consciousness and we are just some kind of material/physical projected 'imaginary' thought. I don't think anyone will understand it but I felt like writing :leaf: so maybe someone might understand, and continue this thread :-P

Skroatz!
 
Kartel Kriminal

Kartel Kriminal

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I think it is quite possible that the earth is alot older than we could ever imagine. Civilizations springing up then being wiped out might be a never ending cycle that we are unaware of. Not even three percent of the entire ocean has been explored and archaeologist can only excavate so deep before there is a technological issue or natural obstacle. The absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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some people say that humans were genetically engineered from our early ancestor homo-erectus around 200,000 years ago by aliens, and that our planet is just a big science experiment. i love thinking about all this shit. the beauty is not knowing what is real, but knowing what is not.
 
karri0n

karri0n

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Kartel Kriminal said:
Have you carbon dated igneous rock samples for yourself to come to this conclusion or are you just believing in the text book hype?
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There are theories of older civilizations that happened long before contemporary knowledge admits that humans have been around for. Who knows, it's possible that those earlier civilizations were not human at all.

There's also no way to know just how many times the universe has expanded too far, collapsed, and been reborn.
 
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juatabud

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Kartel Kriminal said:
Have you carbon dated igneous rock samples for yourself to come to this conclusion or are you just believing in the text book hype?
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So you think Geologists have some kind of an agenda? What scientists do in general is try to disprove them self's, or someone else will. So following your line of thinking, if I needed a tooth pulled I should do it myself??? or differ to an expert, i.e. a Dentist.
 
Kartel Kriminal

Kartel Kriminal

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juatabud said:
So you think Geologists have some kind of an agenda? What scientists do in general is try to disprove them self's, or someone else will. So following your line of thinking, if I needed a tooth pulled I should do it myself??? or differ to an expert, i.e. a Dentist.
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This crap really grinds my gears.

The only thing that is clear when I'm speaking to science oriented people like yourself is that you need somebody else to define something for you. Exactly the same way how christians need the holy bible for definity. You aren't using what you know but instead what your told by someone who is more educated in a specific area of science than you are. Any person with science oriented beliefs or evolutionist for that matter is a fucking tool if they think whatever they were taught from a school grade science textbook isn't flawed. Misnomers DO exist within science. It doesn't get anymore basic than that. Lol the theory of evolution can kiss my ass.
 
Kartel Kriminal

Kartel Kriminal

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It should also be noted that there isn't much scientific disproving going on. If what scientists do is generally try to disprove themselves then show me an example. The usual protocol in this forum is to spurt facts and have a battle words but hows about I get a link to the latest scientific thing that was challenged, disproven then reformed? So someone can shut me the fuck up eh? Until then I will see you folks in the same light that I do a bleeding heart christian. Faith Driven.
 
karri0n

karri0n

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Kartel Kriminal said:
It should also be noted that there isn't much scientific disproving going on. If what scientists do is generally try to disprove themselves then show me an example. The usual protocol in this forum is to spurt facts and have a battle words but hows about I get a link to the latest scientific thing that was challenged, disproven then reformed? So someone can shut me the fuck up eh? Until then I will see you folks in the same light that I do a bleeding heart christian. Faith Driven.
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Can't say that I agree with that.... While there are obvious deviations from truly following the scientific method and being unbiased in the scientific community, new theories are constantly formulated, challenged, and amended. I even recently saw an article about some 11 yr old savant kid currently attempting to challenge the theory of relativity.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Kartel Kriminal said:
I think it is quite possible that the earth is alot older than we could ever imagine. Civilizations springing up then being wiped out might be a never ending cycle that we are unaware of. Not even three percent of the entire ocean has been explored and archaeologist can only excavate so deep before there is a technological issue or natural obstacle. The absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense.
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Yes, let's use this logic to justify any possibility imagined, even without a shred of evidence.:roll:

It's so sad that Sagan's quote gets misused so frequently. Here it is in full context:

"appeal to ignorance - the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist - and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we're still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."


Sagan is clearly explaining how this sort of appeal to ignorance type argument that you are attempting here is fallacious. He is saying that we should be highly critical and skeptical and that absence of evidence is never justification for anything.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Kartel Kriminal said:
This crap really grinds my gears.

The only thing that is clear when I'm speaking to science oriented people like yourself is that you need somebody else to define something for you. Exactly the same way how christians need the holy bible for definity. You aren't using what you know but instead what your told by someone who is more educated in a specific area of science than you are. Any person with science oriented beliefs or evolutionist for that matter is a fucking tool if they think whatever they were taught from a school grade science textbook isn't flawed. Misnomers DO exist within science. It doesn't get anymore basic than that. Lol the theory of evolution can kiss my ass.
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Your ignorance about science leads you to make incredibly blatant and stupid misrepresentation of the scientific method. Your distaste for science is ironically humorous as you spout your crap using technology that wouldn't work if there were as many problems with science as you seem to think there is.
 
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Hardwire

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And when the smoke cleared he found himself back at the original post....

Anyway, I've had this thought too. Perhaps life as we know it is a simulation. All of it, in it's entirety. Perhaps (INSERT LIFEFORM) in the far future decided to run a simulation to see what would happen to life if tampered with on a genetic level and then permitted to evolve. Perhaps these 2012 doomsday theorists are on to something. All simulations stop at some point.

Questions arise such as divine intervention, and why would it be programmed into the simulation. I personally have little doubt that humans of this world have had contact with an intelligence we can't absolutely define as of now. In this particular scenario it's easy to justify life on other planets being part of the simulation but divine entities telling humans how to act seems far fetched. I'm not speaking in a Christian only sense, considering most religions have had visitors from the sky.

If this was a simulation however it would be difficult to rationalize thought. The simple concept of thinking seems unnecessary considering that simulations typically run on probability and statistical data. Perhaps it boils down to "I think therefore I am."

The real question is: Can you prove to yourself that anything existed before you were born, or that anything will continue to exist after you expire?
 
karri0n

karri0n

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Hardwire said:
The real question is: Can you prove to yourself that anything existed before you were born, or that anything will continue to exist after you expire?
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Nope. Because it hasn't and it won't. It has been proven that our realities are projected by our minds.
 
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