The Musings of Serapis
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Ganjasism
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Cool, yeah it would be a PITA to go through the trouble you guys have and it not work. I'd be PISSED for sure. But yeah man thanks for puttin' that info out there about the different strains though. I'm sure that when I try to clone I'll be contacting you guys on how to get it done.
Just as a side note.....DAMNIT Incognegro your avatar has caught me in her web AGAIN!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
hey serapis I would use DM zone before I would try H202 I only say that becouse you are useing
superthrive. if you drop the thrive you can use the H202. YOUR IN A STATE WHERE IT SUPER HOT
do you use a water chiller? im looking into geting one and not sure what is a good one.
superthrive. if you drop the thrive you can use the H202. YOUR IN A STATE WHERE IT SUPER HOT
do you use a water chiller? im looking into geting one and not sure what is a good one.
Canon
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Serapis-
Maybe I can help a bit on the peroxide idea? Here's 2 informational links that may help;
http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html
http://www.strainhunters.com/portal/content/hydrogen-peroxide-and-its-use-growing
I use it,, almost all the time for growing, cloning, and seed starting.
I've found nothing negative with it,, and it doesn't hurt a thing from what I've found. I've seen benefits, but there is a bit of neg from folks for whatever reason.
Seeds and clones I mix 1 oz. with 1/2 qt. water. Otherwise it's 1/2 cup per gallon.
However, it's 3% from the pharmacy. Your's is stronger and,,, well the ratio would need to get worked out someway.
At a farm store it's like $20 for 5 gal. (and includes a free 5 gal. bucket!
)
Hope it helps.
I've nmo idea of how it could react to whatever nutes you may be using though.
Maybe I can help a bit on the peroxide idea? Here's 2 informational links that may help;
http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html
http://www.strainhunters.com/portal/content/hydrogen-peroxide-and-its-use-growing
I use it,, almost all the time for growing, cloning, and seed starting.
I've found nothing negative with it,, and it doesn't hurt a thing from what I've found. I've seen benefits, but there is a bit of neg from folks for whatever reason.
Seeds and clones I mix 1 oz. with 1/2 qt. water. Otherwise it's 1/2 cup per gallon.
However, it's 3% from the pharmacy. Your's is stronger and,,, well the ratio would need to get worked out someway.
At a farm store it's like $20 for 5 gal. (and includes a free 5 gal. bucket!
)Hope it helps.
I've nmo idea of how it could react to whatever nutes you may be using though.
Serapis
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The only nutes I'll be using are GH FloraGro and that will only be 1/4 tsp/gal. I think the H2O2 will be ok... I don't want to risk bacteria problems again. Thanks for the two links Canon.
I keep the grow room and the nursery in the same closet in the upper 70's. The water temp never went above 24c, so I don't think it's temps. I also will quit taking cuttings with Fiskars.... I've got the sharp ass micro shears, but maybe they're crushing the cells before making the cut? I need to pick up a pack of blades, maybe visit the hobby store today. I'm going to start the next run as soon as my hormone powder gets here. People swear by it, saying it promotes fast roots so you don't have bacteria and other issues with stem cells...I know the EZC is sterile, after all, I sprayed the bleach solution in it for about an hour.
I keep the grow room and the nursery in the same closet in the upper 70's. The water temp never went above 24c, so I don't think it's temps. I also will quit taking cuttings with Fiskars.... I've got the sharp ass micro shears, but maybe they're crushing the cells before making the cut? I need to pick up a pack of blades, maybe visit the hobby store today. I'm going to start the next run as soon as my hormone powder gets here. People swear by it, saying it promotes fast roots so you don't have bacteria and other issues with stem cells...I know the EZC is sterile, after all, I sprayed the bleach solution in it for about an hour.
Serapis
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I pay a heavy price and use a window AC to keep the grow area and nursery cool. What is in ST that is harmed by h2o2? I know it is an anti-bacterial and anti-fungal, but what in ST has bacteria?
The Clear REZ that came with the EZC has a faint smell of bleach.
The Clear REZ that came with the EZC has a faint smell of bleach.
that might be your problem right there. i like to use an exacto knife when taking cuttings. i only use my fiskar fine tip shears for trimming and pruning. i also find that if i make a few slits along the end of the stem where i made the cut, this makes more potential root sites. i also like to take the cut right below the node so i can strip the node and get roots out of it. i also just use rockwool, a dome, dutch master replicator, and a heat mat. i usually see roots in 7-10 day depending upon strain. this is how i do it hopefully you can use some of my info.
Serapis
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Thanks for your post! I've highlighted something that you said in red, that has given me an epiphany. I've been taking cuttings too far below the 3rd node and the last node always ends up in or above the insert.... I can't believe I've been so stupid.... By peeling and exposing the node, you promote a place for roots to take hold.... I've read so many guides and watched videos, and it never hit me until you said it in your post....
Thanks for your post! I've highlighted something that you said in red, that has given me an epiphany. I've been taking cuttings too far below the 3rd node and the last node always ends up in or above the insert.... I can't believe I've been so stupid.... By peeling and exposing the node, you promote a place for roots to take hold.... I've read so many guides and watched videos, and it never hit me until you said it in your post....
that might be your problem right there. i like to use an exacto knife when taking cuttings. i only use my fiskar fine tip shears for trimming and pruning. i also find that if i make a few slits along the end of the stem where i made the cut, this makes more potential root sites. i also like to take the cut right below the node so i can strip the node and get roots out of it. i also just use rockwool, a dome, dutch master replicator, and a heat mat. i usually see roots in 7-10 day depending upon strain. this is how i do it hopefully you can use some of my info.
james42
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Hey serapis, way off topic with your thread but I have a few questions.
I see in a few other threads that your one of the few people that use and like marical grow. When I transplant my plants outside, I'm planning on digging 3x3x3 holes and mixing MG garden soil 50/50 with the native soil.
Is there anything else you would recommend adding to the soil?
Is there enough nutes in that to last it until flower? And would the MG bloom fert work for flower?
I would really appreciate your input. Its my first serious grow and I'm trying to keep it kinda simple
I see in a few other threads that your one of the few people that use and like marical grow. When I transplant my plants outside, I'm planning on digging 3x3x3 holes and mixing MG garden soil 50/50 with the native soil.
Is there anything else you would recommend adding to the soil?
Is there enough nutes in that to last it until flower? And would the MG bloom fert work for flower?
I would really appreciate your input. Its my first serious grow and I'm trying to keep it kinda simple
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
ST has organic propertys that H202 will kill. i did some research and in some cases with warm water ST can cause bactira/pithium to grow due to the organics
so you might want to try not using it. I use it but in foiler feeding
tendran
Active Member
While I agree that peeling the nodes downwards as a means of stripping the stem is a good thing, I highly doubt that was the ultimate cause of your dilemma.. I do use that technique, but at the same time I'm pretty indiscriminate about where I cut.
What you said about the Fiskar's rings a bit more with me, yet, I'm still not sure that's your issue either because I use the same blades and I only sterilize once at the start of trimming, not after each cut. I don't know what that is about, but it seems like overkill to me. I take all my cuts consecutively, not like I am placing the blades on an unsterilized surface between each use..
Someone else posted something along the lines of keeping it simple and letting the plants just do their thing. I completely agree. I am going purely anti fungus/mildew/etc approach. It's simple, seemingly more effective than any of my other attempts, and although it takes longer it's better than no clones at all. I am afraid to introduce anything else to it when I've been having luck just the way it is. lol
What you said about the Fiskar's rings a bit more with me, yet, I'm still not sure that's your issue either because I use the same blades and I only sterilize once at the start of trimming, not after each cut. I don't know what that is about, but it seems like overkill to me. I take all my cuts consecutively, not like I am placing the blades on an unsterilized surface between each use..
Someone else posted something along the lines of keeping it simple and letting the plants just do their thing. I completely agree. I am going purely anti fungus/mildew/etc approach. It's simple, seemingly more effective than any of my other attempts, and although it takes longer it's better than no clones at all. I am afraid to introduce anything else to it when I've been having luck just the way it is. lol
Serapis
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I love simple.... I really do....
You'll need to add fertilizer after about 6-8 weeks. Watch for yellowing and you'll know when. I'd mix in some perlite to help with drainage and any organic matter that you want. MG bloom is a good fertlilizer. You'll need to add Epsom Salts, 1 tsp per gallon of fresh water or top dress with pellet lime for the Calcium and Magnesium, as MG Bloom doesn't contain those two nutrients. Your tap water may.
I saw that you participated in a thread about the EZC and bleach. I may go that route. I'll skip ST this time....
Serapis
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TheLastWood
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Nodes are like our crotch
budlover13
King Tut
Looking good Serapis! Subb'd!
Serapis
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Here we go again?
30 cuttings taken, 3 or more nodes, with last node about 1/2 from cut. The cuttings were placed straight into a bowl of tap water with 4 drops of 2.75% bleach. The cuttings were taken out of the bowl and dipped in rooting gel, placed in inserts and then into the EZC. The clones NEVER wilted, as opposed from cutting and letting sit in gel like last time. I'll always soak stems immediately after cutting from this point on. The lower node was stripped down to the cut, exposing the cell wall.
OK, I've started a new cloning cycle in the EZC. This time, I'm using 6 gallons of tap water instead of RO water. The residual chlorine level out of the tap is between .6 - 1.0 according to my test kit. I'm not adding bleach at this time. I'll check the residual chlorine level in 24 hours to see if an adjustment is needed. 1 tsp of Hormone IBA powder at .3% Current ppm is at 350 with no added nutrients. The only additive thus far is the hormone powder. Water temp is 25.7cand the PH is at 5.7
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30 cuttings taken, 3 or more nodes, with last node about 1/2 from cut. The cuttings were placed straight into a bowl of tap water with 4 drops of 2.75% bleach. The cuttings were taken out of the bowl and dipped in rooting gel, placed in inserts and then into the EZC. The clones NEVER wilted, as opposed from cutting and letting sit in gel like last time. I'll always soak stems immediately after cutting from this point on. The lower node was stripped down to the cut, exposing the cell wall.
OK, I've started a new cloning cycle in the EZC. This time, I'm using 6 gallons of tap water instead of RO water. The residual chlorine level out of the tap is between .6 - 1.0 according to my test kit. I'm not adding bleach at this time. I'll check the residual chlorine level in 24 hours to see if an adjustment is needed. 1 tsp of Hormone IBA powder at .3% Current ppm is at 350 with no added nutrients. The only additive thus far is the hormone powder. Water temp is 25.7cand the PH is at 5.7
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