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ViRedd

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Obama’s Big-Government Vision
It’s old-fashioned-liberal tax, spend, and regulate.

By Larry Kudlow


Sen. Barack Obama is very gloomy about America, and he’s aligning himself with the liberal wing of the Democratic party in hopes of coming to the nation’s rescue. His proposal? Big-government planning, spending, and taxing — exactly what the nation and the stock market do not want to hear.

Obama unveiled much of his economic strategy in Wisconsin this week: He wants to spend $150 billion on a green-energy plan. He wants to establish an infrastructure investment bank to the tune of $60 billion. He wants to expand health insurance by roughly $65 billion. He wants to “reopen” trade deals, which is another way of saying he wants to raise the barriers to free trade. He intends to regulate the profits for drug companies, health insurers, and energy firms. He wants to
establish a mortgage-interest tax credit. He wants to double the number of workers receiving the earned-income tax credit and triple this benefit for minimum-wage workers.

The Obama spend-o-meter is now up around $800 billion. And tax hikes on the rich won’t pay for it. It’s the middle class that will ultimately shoulder this fiscal burden in terms of higher taxes and lower growth.

This isn’t free enterprise. It’s old-fashioned-liberal tax, spend, and regulate. It’s plain ol’ big government. The only people who will benefit are the central planners in Washington.

Obama would like voters to believe that he’s the second coming of JFK. But with his unbelievable spending and new-government-agency proposals he’s looking more and more like Jimmy Carter. His is a “Grow the Government Bureaucracy Plan,” and it’s totally at odds with investment and business.

Obama says he wants U.S. corporations to stop “shipping jobs overseas” and bring their cash back home. But if he really wanted U.S. companies to keep more of their profits in the states he’d be calling for a reduction in the corporate tax rate. Why isn’t he demanding an end to the double-taxation of corporate earnings? It’s simple: He wants higher taxes, too.

The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.

Not only is Obama the big-spending candidate, he’s also the very-high-tax candidate.
And what he wants to tax is capital.

Doesn’t Obama understand the vital role of capital formation in creating businesses and jobs? Doesn’t he understand that without capital, businesses can’t expand their operations and hire more workers?

Dan Henninger, writing in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal, notes that Obama’s is a profoundly pessimistic message. “Strip away the new coat of paint from the Obama message and what you find is not only familiar,” writes Henninger. “It’s a downer.”

Obama wants you to believe that America is in trouble, and that it can only be cured with a big lurch to the left. Take from the rich and give to the non-rich. Redistribute income and wealth. It’s an age-old recipe for economic disaster. It completely ignores incentives for entrepreneurs, small family-owned businesses, and investors. You can’t have capitalism without capital. But Obama would penalize capital, be it capital from corporations or investors. This will only harm, and not advance, opportunities for middle-class workers.

Obama believes he can use government, and not free markets, to drive the economy. But on taxes, trade, and regulation, Obama’s program is anti-growth. A President Obama would steer us in the social-market direction of Western Europe, which has produced only stagnant economies down through the years. It would be quite an irony. While newly emerging nations in Eastern Europe and Asia are lowering the tax penalties on capital — and reaping the economic rewards — Obama would raise them. Low-rate flat-tax plans are proliferating around the world. Yet Obama completely ignores this. American competitiveness would suffer enormously under Obama, as would job opportunities, productivity, and real wages.

Imitate the failures of Germany, Norway, and Sweden? That’s no way to run economic policy.

I have so far been soft on Obama this election season. In many respects he is a breath of fresh air. He’s an attractive candidate with an appealing approach to politics. Obama is likeable, and sometimes he gets it — such as when he opposed Hillary Clinton’s five-year rate-freeze on mortgages.

But his message is pessimism, not hope. And behind the charm and charisma is a big-government bureaucrat who would take us down the wrong economic road.


— Larry Kudlow, NRO’s Economics Editor, is host of CNBC’s Kudlow & Company and author of the daily web blog, Kudlow’s Money Politic$.
 

medicineman

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nation and the stock market do not want to hear.

I think he is a little bit too dramatic here. The investors don't want to hear it, and the elite don't want to hear it but us peons are just fine with it, tax em till they bleed! It's only his nation that he's talking about, not mine, although I'll lose a few bucks in the market, if it generally helps people that need help, then it is a great plan.
 

iblazethatkush

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What do we do then, vote for McCain? Have a hundred year war, which he probably would have to have a draft to support. Get drafted and risk my life to make rich men richer? We;re fucked:wall::wall::wall:
 

closet.cult

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its the classic choise between a turd sandwhich and a giant douchebag.

i think america will vote to the left this election. you righters have scared the shit out of them too much lately.
 

ViRedd

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Well, we'll see. Personally, I believe that if Obama gets the nod from the Dems, McCain will beat him in November. Remember, Obama is going to have to explain his "changes" to the American people. When his platform is seen for what it is (Marxism), the vast majority of voters won't go for it.

I DO like his plan of eliminating seniors from having to pay income tax though. See Med ... I can be just as big a whore as you can. ~lol~ :mrgreen:

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iblazethatkush

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Well, we'll see. Personally, I believe that if Obama gets the nod from the Dems, McCain will beat him in November. Remember, Obama is going to have to explain his "changes" to the American people. When his platform is seen for what it is (Marxism), the vast majority of voters won't go for it.

I DO like his plan of eliminating seniors from having to pay income tax though. See Med ... I can be just as big a whore as you can. ~lol~ :mrgreen:

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I disagree. This will be more about voting against McCain than voting for Obama.
 

ViRedd

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I disagree. This will be more about voting against McCain than voting for Obama.
I don't see how you figure this, blaze. Other than the coasts, America is pretty much conservative from an economic standpoint. Are you thinking that the majority of Americans will vote for a tax, collected through the U.N., for "World Poverty?" I mean, are Americans ready for world socialism ... at their expense?

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mockingbird131313

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I disagree. This will be more about voting against McCain than voting for Obama.
I said two months ago the "against" vote will decide this election.

Just from a small study of American politics, I will also predict a single digit against McCain and a double digit against Obahma. I think McCain will win the election. I also think there is a chance that John Edwards will give his support to McCain.

At this point, the best chance the dems have is if Al Gore enters the race. He would take the nomination.
 

natrone23

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I don't see how you figure this, blaze. Other than the coasts, America is pretty much conservative from an economic standpoint. Are you thinking that the majority of Americans will vote for a tax, collected through the U.N., for "World Poverty?" I mean, are Americans ready for world socialism ... at their expense?

Vi
Vi, GWB was just in afica today talking about a 20 or so billion for the next 5 years for AIDS in Africa
 

joepro

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Vi, GWB was just in afica today talking about a 20 or so billion for the next 5 years for AIDS in Africa
..I'm thinking NO, FUCK NO!!
do we even have 20 billion to shell out with no hope off ever getting it back?
lets take that money and um find a cure, thats the best gift of all.
that money will find its way into funding someones war and will kill more then help-bet my house on that!
Its getting OLD to hear about the worlds problems,while they have their hand out! WE need some shit here fixed and if we have the extra $, then lets fix are shit!!

where gona end up needing some aide soon if things keep the way they are headed.
 

undertheice

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I said two months ago the "against" vote will decide this election.
such is the way of american politics. four years ago bush won because the public just couldn't stomach the idea of a kerry presidency, incumbents are usually re-elected because the people are too stupid to see how corrupt their leaders really are and the race for the presidency has become nothing more than a media driven popularity contest. we are so used to being stuck with the lesser of two evils that substance has become irrelevant and empty rhetoric is praised above all else.
 

7xstall

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the scary thing is that demobot voters will not concern themselves with the mathematical facts relating to any campaign promises or they would have dissolved the party 30 years ago.




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undertheice

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the scary thing is that demobot voters will not concern themselves with the mathematical facts relating to any campaign promises.....
.....but we all want to believe that there is a utopian possibility hiding just out of sight. we all want to believe that our society contains the seeds of greatness and that fairness is really attainable. we all want to believe that these liars and frauds who seem to control our destiny are capable living up to their promises.

what's really scary is that there are those out there who actually do believe these things and are willing to mortgage our future in order to be proved wrong.




by the way:
as an anarcho-communist i am a bit disturbed by seeing "communist" at the top of you av. i think you'll find that any rational person of my persuasion is scared shitless by the current batch of socialist assholes.
 

ViRedd

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Vi, GWB was just in afica today talking about a 20 or so billion for the next 5 years for AIDS in Africa
This is nothing new. The Bushidos have been spending billions in Africa on AIDS right along. Until socialistic/communistic/fascistic governments are dissolved, and free markets are adopted, these countries will continue to provide nothing to their masses but empty promises. Borders are imaginary lines. Where ever a capitalist society butts up against a communistic society, separated by a border, the difference is obvious. Think Mexico and the United States. Think West Berlin and East Berlin.

Vi
 

7xstall

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.....but we all want to believe that there is a utopian possibility hiding just out of sight. we all want to believe that our society contains the seeds of greatness and that fairness is really attainable. we all want to believe that these liars and frauds who seem to control our destiny are capable living up to their promises.

what's really scary is that there are those out there who actually do believe these things and are willing to mortgage our future in order to be proved wrong.




by the way:
as an anarcho-communist i am a bit disturbed by seeing "communist" at the top of you av. i think you'll find that any rational person of my persuasion is scared shitless by the current batch of socialist assholes.

i agree, everything in the process is all about projection to some extent.

as far as AC goes, my definition of communism (by itself) is government forced communism and state forced industry.. that's all the dems have running - old fashioned commies. McCain is just a bit more in the closet about it.




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medicineman

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the scary thing is that demobot voters will not concern themselves with the mathematical facts relating to any campaign promises or they would have dissolved the party 30 years ago.




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Now tell us what wonderful things the repukes have done in the last 30 fucking years, watergate, Iraq war, Patriot act, torture, domestic spying, trickle down, do any of these ring a bell? There is more..........
 

mockingbird131313

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Now tell us what wonderful things the repukes have done in the last 30 fucking years, watergate, Iraq war, Patriot act, torture, domestic spying, trickle down, do any of these ring a bell? There is more..........
Mr. medicineman, with all seriousness, the worst thing to happen in the last 40 years was the treason committed by Bubba and Butch. They sold state secrets to the ChiComs for campaign contributions. That deserves a final walk to the gallows. After all, Benedict Arnold was chased to exile in England for about the same offense. ANY of our founding fathers would have placed a noose on these two traitors.
 

mockingbird131313

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such is the way of american politics. four years ago bush won because the public just couldn't stomach the idea of a kerry presidency, incumbents are usually re-elected because the people are too stupid to see how corrupt their leaders really are and the race for the presidency has become nothing more than a media driven popularity contest. we are so used to being stuck with the lesser of two evils that substance has become irrelevant and empty rhetoric is praised above all else.
Yes! You definately get it. The "against" vote doomed kerry.
 

iblazethatkush

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by the way:
as an anarcho-communist i am a bit disturbed by seeing "communist" at the top of you av. i think you'll find that any rational person of my persuasion is scared shitless by the current batch of socialist assholes.
How the fuck can a person be an anarcho-communist? What is that a communist society without a government? What makes you think that would work?
 

medicineman

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i agree, everything in the process is all about projection to some extent.

as far as AC goes, my definition of communism (by itself) is government forced communism and state forced industry.. that's all the dems have running - old fashioned commies. McCain is just a bit more in the closet about it.




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As opposed to Industry forced state as we have now, thats called Fascism. I think I'd rather have state controlled industry, at least we could elect the players. As it exists now, the stockholders elect the players and it's all about profit. With a state controlled industry, we couild have fair wages, great benefits and the execs would not make 10,000 times the average workers salary, plus it would be all about full employment. I see a mix of capitalism and socialism as being the Ideal government. Too much of either would spoil the brew. BTW calling liberals commies doesn't work anymore, just shows your ignorance.
 
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