A little about Condi Rice ...

[medicineman]

Hey medicineman, Tenet is a dem-o-crat. He plays on your team. What's-up?

Actually Dr. Tenet is a tough SOB (his own self description), who is a real asset. I believe he is the best CIA chief in two decades. He claims to have advised everyone that would listen that the Iraq invasion was a bad idea for many reasons. The General was faced with the dilemma of listening to a well known partisan (Dr. Tenet), or following the orders of the Commander in Chief. The General was reluctant, but he believed it was in the best interest of the nation to follow through with Dubya's wishes.

I am sure the General hates himself now.

I also believe he's said that he gave Bush the truth (No weapons or ties to al queda) and bush shut him up.

 

[mockingbird131313]

I also believe he's said that he gave Bush the truth (No weapons or ties to al queda) and bush shut him up.

That is what Dr. Tenet claims today and no one has disputed his statement. So the evil man was working in the peoples best interest, med?

 

[ViRedd]

Nice. I like how when I post facts for you they go ignored. Keep living in your bubble, Vi. It must be nice in there[/quote

~lol~ There are NO "facts" here at all. Well, to be honest, I didn't get past the Willie Brown story you posted that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle. You stated that Condi Rice phoned Willie Brown to warn him not to fly on 9-11. Where in that article does it mention Condi Rice warning Willie Brown? Conjecture on the part of a columnist in an anti-Bush, San Francisco rag, isn't facts ... its just wishful thinking.

Vi

 

[Dankdude]

You are wrong, the Geneva Convention Applies to all involved in war and all prisoners of war. Civilian or Military. Been in the Service my friend.

 

[ViRedd]

~lol~ One need not be in military service in order to read.

Dank ... please show documentation where the Geneva Conventions alluded to non-military combatants. Thanks ...

Vi

 

[iblazethatkush]

Nice. I like how when I post facts for you they go ignored. Keep living in your bubble, Vi. It must be nice in there[/quote

~lol~ There are NO "facts" here at all. Well, to be honest, I didn't get past the Willie Brown story you posted that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle. You stated that Condi Rice phoned Willie Brown to warn him not to fly on 9-11. Where in that article does it mention Condi Rice warning Willie Brown? Conjecture on the part of a columnist in an anti-Bush, San Francisco rag, isn't facts ... its just wishful thinking.

Vi

The point of the article was to show Willie Brown was warned of 9/11 b4 it happened. The article doesn't say who warned him but many think it was Condi Rice. Look, I'm not going to be able to provide a link to an audio clip of her admitting it, so don't expect that. I doubt that would even convince you. What I proved is she's a liar. She lied about Iraq. And she more than likely lied about 9/11.

 

[ViRedd]

The point of the article was to show Willie Brown was warned of 9/11 b4 it happened. The article doesn't say who warned him but many think it was Condi Rice. Look, I'm not going to be able to provide a link to an audio clip of her admitting it, so don't expect that. I doubt that would even convince you. What I proved is she's a liar. She lied about Iraq. And she more than likely lied about 9/11.

So then, you have no proof that Condi warned Willie Brown other than "many think it was Condi Rice?" See, that's the problem with the Left ... they see what they want to see when it furthers their agenda. Not saying you're like that, but the person to wrote the article for the SF Chronicle is. You can't believe everything you read, see on TV or in the movies.

And, exactly what did Condi lie about ... the WMD? If that's what you're referring to, we've beaten that dead horse more than a few times here in the forum. If Condi lied, so did the majority of those in the congress and senate on both sides of the aisle ... including Hillary, Bill ... and Teddy the Swimmer.

Vi

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[Dankdude]

~lol~ One need not be in military service in order to read.

Dank ... please show documentation where the Geneva Conventions alluded to non-military combatants. Thanks ...

Vi

Vi I can read... You need to re-read it yourself.
Once you become a Prisoner of war (Civilian or Military) The Geneva Convention steps in.
Military personnel are required to familiarize themselves with the Geneva convention.

 

[mockingbird131313]

Vi I can read... You need to re-read it yourself.
Once you become a Prisoner of war (Civilian or Military) The Geneva Convention steps in.
Military personnel are required to familiarize themselves with the Geneva convention.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the issue as I understand it is not the treatment of men-at-war, it is the treatment of spies and terrorists. I believe most countries hold to the belief that terrorists and spies have no rights. Just to be clear here, contractors and civilian government employees receive the protections. Thugs with guns are considered spies; receiving no protection.

So please explain to me the POW and captured terrorist/spy issue, as you understand it.

 

[iblazethatkush]

If Condi lied, so did the majority of those in the congress and senate on both sides of the aisle ... including Hillary, Bill ... and Teddy the Swimmer.

Vi

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OK so we're in agreement she's a liar, then? Why are her lies excusable, in your book, when other politicians (See: Democrats) are not?

 

[closet.cult]

yes, she is a liar! they are ALL fucking liars. when are you guys going to quit butting heads over democrats and republicans?!

you're playing the asshole, political white-man's game. they are polarizing you; distroying our unity. fuck dems and repubs. different name, same puppeteer.

bill and hillary are just as big criminals as dubya. obama was named along side hillary as one of the top currupted men in washington. he's got money on the side from real estate and big buisness, no matter what he says. and hes chaney's cousin, for christ's sake! he's in the club.

the only difference is, MAYBE, MAYBE he will stop the war. that remains to be seen. the dems took over the house AND senate and haven't done a goddamn thing they were put in there for. that should teach you holier-then-thou dems what you can expect from a dem president.

meanwhile, both sides are minipulating american's to show hate to one another over political ideals, when our vote doesn't even mean anything. PLEASE, PLEASE WAKE UP TO THIS SHADY TRICK OF MINIPULATION AND PROPAGANDA. give up your right and left titles. vote then person, not the party. research the merit of their economic plans before you write off the other partie's plans. give up party loyalty.

we can't take this country back if we continue to fight amongst ourselves. and it is THEY who are creating the battles.

 

[iblazethatkush]

Nicely said, man. I agree 100%.

 

[closet.cult]

thanks, blaze. i get really worried when i see how indoctrinated some people are to just hate the opposing party for no reason other then their party. WTF?

we are all americans. and we need a smart statesman, a real patriot in office to affect any kind of real change. instead, the majority have fallen for the fake 2 party game. we will never get this country back at this rate.

 

[7xstall]

Yeah ... because she lied about the facts to start an illegal war which cause the deaths of tens of thousands ... for the oil so you could buy and use everyday ... yeah ... she a war criminal ... and you are a war criminal supporter ... which make you a nazi ...

i agree, the war is technically illegal. the problem i have is with "legal" war. that's a pretty massive problem in my book - legalized war? you leftists think that anything "legal" is ok. what a joke and what a testament to your "sheep" like characteristics also. when war is all that is left there is no need for a law stating the obvious. taking human life is by default criminal unless that human has volunteered for death; as is the case with murderers, people who point guns at our soldiers, etc.

i just can't believe you'll accuse her of lying with no evidence and no pattern to establish that she's a liar.

the best you could do is say that she repeated lies told to her by some mysterious puppeteer but to keep insisting she lied to us on purpose is ridiculous. people don't work as hard as she did to get where she is just so she can lie. people of her character would rather quit and start over than lie.





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[ViRedd]

OK so we're in agreement she's a liar, then? Why are her lies excusable, in your book, when other politicians (See: Democrats) are not?

Nope, I'm not saying she's a liar, anymore than I'm saying the Dems lied. What they did was to rely on information they received from those they trusted. That's a far cry from lying. Here's what bothers me though ... The Dems completely disregard the fact that most in the Congress and Senate, including the Dems, said the very same things about Saddam's WMD, but have conveniently "forgotten" this to further their agendas. The "Bush Lied" mantra doesn't sell anymore. Its false and dishonest.

Vi

 

[GrowRebel]

legalized war? you leftists think that anything "legal" is ok.

When did I say that? ... That's something you made up in your mind ...

when war is all that is left there is no need for a law stating the obvious.

Bullshit ... and in this case war was NOT all that was left ... unless you are part of the military industrial complex or just plain stupid ...

i just can't believe you'll accuse her of lying with no evidence and no pattern to establish that she's a liar.

I haven't accuse her of lying with no evidence ... I have posted plenty on several threads as well as others ... so she is a known liar ...

the best you could do is say that she repeated lies told to her by some mysterious puppeteer but to keep insisting she lied to us on purpose is ridiculous.

No ... the best I can do is post reports proving she's a liar ... which is what I and others have done ...

people don't work as hard as she did to get where she is just so she can lie. people of her character would rather quit and start over than lie.

What planet are you on?

 

[7xstall]

When did I say that? ... That's something you made up in your mind ...

you said she's a war criminal. > conducting illegal war. > then there is a legal form of war that is not criminal?

Bullshit ... and in this case war was NOT all that was left ... unless you are part of the military industrial complex or just plain stupid ...

there is no place in history were war was the only choice left. i would assume that if it ever is it will be obvious.

I haven't accuse her of lying with no evidence ... I have posted plenty on several threads as well as others ... so she is a known liar ...

my bad, i didn't/haven't seen any of this.

What planet are you on?

that's a trick question.




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[closet.cult]

Nope, I'm not saying she's a liar, anymore than I'm saying the Dems lied. What they did was to rely on information they received from those they trusted. That's a far cry from lying. Here's what bothers me though ... The Dems completely disregard the fact that most in the Congress and Senate, including the Dems, said the very same things about Saddam's WMD, but have conveniently "forgotten" this to further their agendas. The "Bush Lied" mantra doesn't sell anymore. Its false and dishonest.

Vi

Vi, i gotta disagree. not with what you posted, but with your opinion. we're all aware that 'intelligence' from here and other countries were said to implicate Sadam's WMDs. That was the case made by this administration. Where we differ is that you BELIEVE the the administration, I do not.

Just months before 9/11 Rice and Powel are on record as saying Sadam was a nobody with no capabilities. After 9/11 he's suddenly public enemy #1. The charges trumpted up against him were false. Powel said so later.

Its painfully obvious that the 'intelligence' against him was not wrong, it was a lie. Senaters and representatives are on record as saying that there was two sets of briefs going around. one saying that he has no defences and the other saying he was a threat because no one knew what he had. sound a bit like the case being made against Iran right now, doesn't it?

You and I dont know only but what they tell us. but i refuse to believe that the best intel money can buy & the best men and technology in the world can fuck up so badly. The U.S. has good people in intelligence. The president simply lied. Its happened plenty of times before, it happened now.

i think you're succumbing to party loyalty here. if a dem president did what bush did, you'd be screaming bloody liar, by now.

 

[closet.cult]

i agree, the war is technically illegal. the problem i have is with "legal" war. that's a pretty massive problem in my book - legalized war? you leftists think that anything "legal" is ok. what a joke and what a testament to your "sheep" like characteristics also. when war is all that is left there is no need for a law stating the obvious. taking human life is by default criminal unless that human has volunteered for death; as is the case with murderers, people who point guns at our soldiers, etc.

i just can't believe you'll accuse her of lying with no evidence and no pattern to establish that she's a liar.

the best you could do is say that she repeated lies told to her by some mysterious puppeteer but to keep insisting she lied to us on purpose is ridiculous. people don't work as hard as she did to get where she is just so she can lie. people of her character would rather quit and start over than lie.

right. the men and women at the very TOP of this country. the people making the decisions of war and peace DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS.

they just listen and repeat the words the mysterious puppeteer says to say. right.

bullshit. the entire administration knows perfectly well what a sham this war is. it is a for profit venture by the owners of this country, just as every war before it in this century was, and probably before.

the proof is that anyone of the administration who spoke against what they were planning, and susequently spoke out against it was canned.

you talk about her and her character like you know her. but you don't. admit it. you're sticking to her and your president out of party loyalty. you cant see the damage they are doing to this country because of party attachments. come back and join the people of this great land. we need your help.

 

[medicineman]

i agree, the war is technically illegal. the problem i have is with "legal" war. that's a pretty massive problem in my book - legalized war? you leftists think that anything "legal" is ok. what a joke and what a testament to your "sheep" like characteristics also. when war is all that is left there is no need for a law stating the obvious. taking human life is by default criminal unless that human has volunteered for death; as is the case with murderers, people who point guns at our soldiers, etc.

i just can't believe you'll accuse her of lying with no evidence and no pattern to establish that she's a liar.

the best you could do is say that she repeated lies told to her by some mysterious puppeteer but to keep insisting she lied to us on purpose is ridiculous. people don't work as hard as she did to get where she is just so she can lie. people of her character would rather quit and start over than lie.





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Come on now 7X, that is her fucking job, to lie,. People don't get to where she is by telling the truth and that my friend, is the truth. She may have started out as the wide eyed shiny idealistic young intern, but along the way, she got a passel of lies stuffed up her ass and told to pass them on. Now if she were the heroine you espouse, she would have walked, but the promise of fame and power led her down the path just like all that came before, Hell yes she lied, and with a smile on her face. If you are too blind to see this, then just go back to your sand pile and insert head.